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I think the world of them, but why do we need add reinforcements on all pass plays?

Teams are dropping min 7 back in coverage and only rushing 4 and we got 6-7 blacking.
If we just pass block with our front five and use everyone else as weapons, does our line get exposed? Do we score tds at crazy rate?
 
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rascon said:
I think the world of them, but why do we need add reinforcements on all pass plays?

Teams are dropping min 7 back in coverage and only rushing 4 and we got 6-7 blacking.
If we just pass block with our front five and use everyone else as weapons, does our line get exposed? Do we score tds at crazy rate?
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That is exactly the reason the TE's and backs do not get throw the ball. Release these out and use them in the passing game. Or show bunch formation then motion out of it. TVD did get sacked his last start by a 3 man rush so maybe that factors in.
 
Stop running on every first down.

Stop using max protection schemes against teams that are dropping 7 or 8 into coverage.
 
rascon said:
I think the world of them, but why do we need add reinforcements on all pass plays?

Teams are dropping min 7 back in coverage and only rushing 4 and we got 6-7 blacking.
If we just pass block with our front five and use everyone else as weapons, does our line get exposed? Do we score tds at crazy rate?
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the worst is when we were max protect with drop 8.. 3 man rush with 7 blocking.. Very hard for QB to find an open man when the defense has 8 covering 3 routes.. dam near triple team every wr..
 
They’re good. No doubt. The run game went stagnant against fspoo because we telegraphed every play
 
Our o line is much better pass blocking than they are run blocking, but our strenght is running and not passing rn so thats why it doesn't feel as dominant to some people.

**** they may be good run blocking but we keep doing inside run rather than outside runs and pulls so who really knows.
 
They're good. Don't understand why we need a formation with a 6th OLineman or reliance on our main in-line TE on every play to help.

RB ALWAYS has pass pro first assignment then leaks into the flats. Even when it's obvious only 3-4 are coming and 7-8 dropping into coverage. By the time they clear into the flats they ball is out and that's why they're not a factor in the passing game.

Makes no sense to me and seems like obvious small tweaks that could make a huge difference. Line 0 up at RB and just have him release on the snap and run short and intermediate stuff in the middle of the field... always covered by a LB or you're going to pull a safety out that's currently clogging up our downfield passing game. Great mismatch or quick fix that we haven't even tried.

We had great success with 2 RB formations and running routes with one of them against A&M. Haven't seen much of it since then.

I keep saying it.. they're square peg/round holing the playcalling and personnel more than anything. Making simple adjustments would make the very mediocre scheme look a lot better and make it easier on the QB.

OL is an advantage but they won't let them do what they can do. We're trying to protect that group and play and scheme like we have last year's OL.
 
If the opponent knows you are gonna run it and run it up the gut a lot there is much the oline can do other than try to open holes but it's a numbers game. There is little to no playing threat with this offense.
 
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SaiyaMan305 said:
Our o line is much better pass blocking than they are run blocking, but our strenght is running and not passing rn so thats why it doesn't feel as dominant to some people.

**** they may be good run blocking but we keep doing inside run rather than outside runs and pulls so who really knows.
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Agreed..what the **** happened with the pulling action we say in the first half of the season? We get the big guys in space on some of our screen action which works well, but we had success when those big bodies were pulling and knocking the snot out of whoever was in their way.

There was so much talk during Spring and Fall camp about how well these guys move in space, but we've moved away from it unless I'm missing those actions.
 
JayCane20 said:
They're good. Don't understand why we need a formation with a 6th OLineman or reliance on our main in-line TE on every play to help.

RB ALWAYS has pass pro first assignment then leaks into the flats. Even when it's obvious only 3-4 are coming and 7-8 dropping into coverage. By the time they clear into the flats they ball is out and that's why they're not a factor in the passing game.

Makes no sense to me and seems like obvious small tweaks that could make a huge difference. Line 0 up at RB and just have him release on the snap and run short and intermediate stuff in the middle of the field... always covered by a LB or you're going to pull a safety out that's currently clogging up our downfield passing game. Great mismatch or quick fix that we haven't even tried.

We had great success with 2 RB formations and running routes with one of them against A&M. Haven't seen much of it since then.

I keep saying it.. they're square peg/round holing the playcalling and personnel more than anything. Making simple adjustments would make the very mediocre scheme look a lot better and make it easier on the QB.

OL is an advantage but they won't let them do what they can do. We're trying to protect that group and play and scheme like we have last year's OL.
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There are only two possible explanations I come up with

1. Coaches think buying extra time will help TVD with his reads (note: it doesn’t).
2. Coaches deep down are not as confident in our tackles and don’t want them to get exposed.

I kinda feel like they are going out of their way to protect both tackles (Rivers and Mauigoa) or because OL is Marios and Mirabel’s speciality, they absolutely don’t want the line to be seen as a weakness.

Conspiracy theories to be sure, but I can’t think of other reasons why we are so insistent on max protect so often.
 
rascon said:
There are only two possible explanations I come up with

1. Coaches think buying extra time will help TVD with his reads (note: it doesn’t).
2. Coaches deep down are not as confident in our tackles and don’t want them to get exposed.

I kinda feel like they are going out of their way to protect both tackles (Rivers and Mauigoa) or because OL is Marios and Mirabel’s speciality, they absolutely don’t want the line to be seen as a weakness.

Conspiracy theories to be sure, but I can’t think of other reasons why we are so insistent on max protect so often.
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Exactly my thoughts as well. They're covering for Rivers and babying Mauigoa. Could be because Rivers is more of an interior guy forced to play LT and FM is a true freshman. Which is fine.

Or like you said... it's their thing and if anything is going to look bad.. it can't be the OL.

FM is going to be a great player.. sure.. but I think McCoy should be playing more at RT. Francis had 3 false starts on Saturday. He has to have 7-8 (or more) on the year, multiple holding penalties, a hands to the face, and a chop block. He's murdering drives left and right. And usually if someone just gets whipped off the snap and beat.. it's him. Maybe he's still better than McCoy but I'd like to see it tested. They seem to think benching guys and making them earn their spot back is a good idea but won't do it there or challenge 7's spot with Brashard. We're just rolling with what came out of fall camp all over the place.
 
rascon said:
I think the world of them, but why do we need add reinforcements on all pass plays?

Teams are dropping min 7 back in coverage and only rushing 4 and we got 6-7 blacking.
If we just pass block with our front five and use everyone else as weapons, does our line get exposed? Do we score tds at crazy rate?
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I’ve mentioned this to nauseam. Our skill guys are constantly out numbered. The game plan is awful.
 
rascon said:
I think the world of them, but why do we need add reinforcements on all pass plays?

Teams are dropping min 7 back in coverage and only rushing 4 and we got 6-7 blacking.
If we just pass block with our front five and use everyone else as weapons, does our line get exposed? Do we score tds at crazy rate?
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JayCane20 said:
Exactly my thoughts as well. They're covering for Rivers and babying Mauigoa. Could be because Rivers is more of an interior guy forced to play LT and FM is a true freshman. Which is fine.

Or like you said... it's their thing and if anything is going to look bad.. it can't be the OL.

FM is going to be a great player.. sure.. but I think McCoy should be playing more at RT. Francis had 3 false starts on Saturday. He has to have 7-8 (or more) on the year, multiple holding penalties, a hands to the face, and a chop block. He's murdering drives left and right. And usually if someone just gets whipped off the snap and beat.. it's him. Maybe he's still better than McCoy but I'd like to see it tested. They seem to think benching guys and making them earn their spot back is a good idea but won't do it there or challenge 7's spot with Brashard. We're just rolling with what came out of fall camp all over the place.
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Miami's starting two interior guys on the outside. Ideally next year FM replaces Cohen at G because Bell/McCoy are good enough to kick him inside.
 
rascon said:
There are only two possible explanations I come up with

1. Coaches think buying extra time will help TVD with his reads (note: it doesn’t).
2. Coaches deep down are not as confident in our tackles and don’t want them to get exposed.

I kinda feel like they are going out of their way to protect both tackles (Rivers and Mauigoa) or because OL is Marios and Mirabel’s speciality, they absolutely don’t want the line to be seen as a weakness.

Conspiracy theories to be sure, but I can’t think of other reasons why we are so insistent on max protect so often.
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I agree. I often wonder why they devote so much help to what is supposed to be the strength of the offense.

They devote so much help to the line, it literally hinders the performance of the entire offense.

We only score 17 points and our quarterback had three picks throwing into triple coverage but hey, a least we didn't give up too many sacks.

At this point, I'd prefer they leave the tackles on an island more often to at least tempt opponents into bringing more pressure and playing more man coverage. If Mauigoa is incapable of playing tackle without help, Get McCoy out there and give him a shot.
 
Good not great. Our first two losses they dropped off 2nd half. And you're right, the TE is another OL rather than an effectively used threat.

But unlike most of the last two decades, they are good enough to be out of the conversation as the main reason for the Canes woes.
 
DC3 said:
Miami's starting two interior guys on the outside. Ideally next year FM replaces Cohen at G because Bell/McCoy are good enough to kick him inside.
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Interesting so what's your projected OL for next season. LT & RT - Bell and McCoy LG Mauigoa RG Cooper? What about Rivers
 
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