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Houston Strength of Schedule 86,107

Canecanecane said:
KevinCaneFace said:
Canecanecane said:
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
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Let's just say Golden had a track record as a great OC before his time with Temple. Wouldn't he be more valid coaching under guys like Meyer than Groh?
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Forsure. From a specialty standpoint. He's a better coach. He can coach and offense. Can he recruit (unknown), can he manage a program (still being determined), can he coach care against real competition ( unknown).
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He landed top 5 recruits at Houston and was Big Ten recruiter of the year. He's beaten the top teams of his level in Houston and has playoff wins as an OC putting up 42 on Bama and Oregon
 
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Canecanecane said:
Using two different services that measure strength of schedule, Houston has played nobody. This is using Sagarin and Team Rankings. Actually, to go a step further, their SOS is 24 slots worse then the second and third worst SOS of any team in the top 40. So they are far and away the worst schedule of any other top 40 team. That other team is Navy. Houston beat Navy today, it's navy. Houston has not beat a ranked team this year and they have no signature wins. So look Herman seems like a coach that may be good, but to crown this guy is just way too aggressive. He did not recruit this team, he isn't playing anyone, and he's coached 12 games in his career.
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You shouldn't have done that.

Reality has no business with these guys. They like raw numbers when it works for them, but only then.
 
wherrera8 said:
This SOS argument isn't valid. If Herman had a talent disparity where his team's were power 5 talent, but beating AAC teams, then that would be valid. It's not. It's an equal playing field and he is beating teams with talent similar to his.

The fact that he didn't recruit these kids just shows how good he is. He hasn't even brought in his style of players. He went out and worked with that he had and dominated.

See it your way. A winner is a winner.
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BINGO!!!!!! He has comperable talent and is killing it versus similar competition. Once he gets his recruits ....he will do better.
I love Butch, but this Herman is a winner.
 
Herman is the truth, I pray VT picks him up, you will be eating your words! Let's hire "insert name" to bring Miami back.... Priceless!
 
In his first year Herman has his team in the AAC CG.

Ohio St. regressed on offense this year...want to know why OP? Herman left for Houston, that's why.
 
wherrera8 said:
This SOS argument isn't valid. If Herman had a talent disparity where his team's were power 5 talent, but beating AAC teams, then that would be valid. It's not. It's an equal playing field and he is beating teams with talent similar to his.

The fact that he didn't recruit these kids just shows how good he is. He hasn't even brought in his style of players. He went out and worked with that he had and dominated.

See it your way. A winner is a winner.
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This! Well said
 
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"Houston has a good history of HC's now.
Art Briles
Kevin Sumlin
Tom Herman (now)"

This is a great point. Maybe we should hire Houston's Athletic Director and have him pick our next coach???
 
It's not only about sos and wins and losses with Herman. It's about this man's attitude and philosophy. This guy is aggressive! He doesn't want to win the game, he wants to kick your *** and run up the score. We haven't had a coach with that mindset in coral gables in 20 years.
 
Did Houston outclass these teams ? I dont think so, they are playing teams that are on their level. Its not like they are playing these teams with Bama roster
 
terdferguson said:
It's not only about sos and wins and losses with Herman. It's about this man's attitude and philosophy. This guy is aggressive! He doesn't want to win the game, he wants to kick your *** and run up the score. We haven't had a coach with that mindset in coral gables in 20 years.
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Exactly. That's one of the reasons I'd be very happy with him as HC. Our games with Pitt, Nebraska and Duke are great example of why you step on their necks when you get the opponent down. Instead we fiddle and fart around until we squeeze by. That give our opponents the dreaded "should've won" argument.

Beat them half to death, and leave no doubt.
 
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Canecanecane said:
Canezum5 said:
Canecanecane said:
I get the whole he's a pretty good offensive guy, but people are crowning him and saying they want either Chip, Les, Butch, or Herman. Herman may very well be a great one 3 years from now, but he's not even in their league because he has done very little to suggest he can get it done at the next level. Don't give him $3-4 million a year. Just doesn't make sense. He would be a top 15 paid coach in the nation.
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Sure, dont pay him a seasoned vets salary. I agree.

But its foolish to downplay his coaching acumen.

Did he not make THREE qbs championship ready with osu?

Has he not taken a team full of guys he just met to an 11-1 record? Not only does he NOT know these kids.... hes overcome adversity and injury to win games.

This aint no smoke and mirrors.

That man can coach.

he just needs to get more defensive connections and hes going to rock college football.
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My guess is Urban had a little to do with that. Here's a good quote to show how much influence Urban has. "I want a guy that's willing to learn," Meyer said, "because we're not going to change, especially on offense. We don't hire Tom Herman to put in Iowa State's offense. We hire Tom Herman to learn our offense and add to it. He had an expertise in the no-huddle."
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We don't KNOW whether Herman will be the next Urban or the next Golden. But based on everything that can be evaluated to this point, the guy is the real deal. The only real difference between last year's OSU team and this one is that they lost Herman. If anything, OSU should have been better than they were last year because both Barrett and Jones had more experience. Instead, they took a massive step back without Herman. In the meantime, Herman has crushed just about every team he played this year with a WR at QB. Herman as HC here would be the biggest Risk / Reward play of all the candidates. But I think the evidence shows that its more reward and less risk.
 
wherrera8 said:
This SOS argument isn't valid. If Herman had a talent disparity where his team's were power 5 talent, but beating AAC teams, then that would be valid. It's not. It's an equal playing field and he is beating teams with talent similar to his.

The fact that he didn't recruit these kids just shows how good he is. He hasn't even brought in his style of players. He went out and worked with that he had and dominated.

See it your way. A winner is a winner.
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Was about to say all of this
 
Canecanecane said:
Kyle Liburd said:
Canecanecane said:
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
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I'm glad uf stayed away from urban Meyer because of his weak SOS

I'm glad *insert countless number of examples*
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Well actually lol he had top 50 SOS 2 years in a row at Utah before Florida took him. He went 12-0 in his last year and beat UNC, Texas A&M, Arizona, and won the Fiesta bowl 35-7, and nobody came close to beating them. Closest loss was a 14 win.
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So, was UNC good before Butch got there or not? Cuz everyone keeps telling us that Butch had to build the program from scratch. Lol

Oh ... And that Texas A&M team finished 7-5. Wasn't Kevin Sumlin's team ...

Arizona finished 3-8, and was coached by Mike Stoops ...

The truth of Utah's schedule in 2004 was that it was 67th in the country. They played no top 10 team that season, and only 1 team in the top 30. (Source: Sagarin Ratings)

And that 35-7 beat down in the Fiesta Bowl was given to a Walt Harris coached Pitt team, that finished the season 8-4. But I know why you just put the bowl and the score. Lol

OP is actually making the case that Herman might really be the next Urban ...

I'm not sure if that was his original intent ... But good job, OP. Lol
 
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Canecanecane said:
Oh and his QB was taken #1 overall. That's what you should need to do at a non AQ school to get scooped up by the big dogs. Not go 11-1 with a 101 SOS in year 1. Do it 2 more years then I'm a believer.
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Stop with this nonsense. How many coaches in America would have gone 11-1 at Houston this year? I promise you its a very short list considering the injuries as well. Who cares what his strength of schedule is, the man has HOUSTON relevant in the national picture in his first year and your trying to downplay it like it's some mediocre accomplishment. He also has a 5 star dt commited, so keep believing he's average all you want but the man is a savage and will be the next Urban Meyer. Just as a comparison I don't know that we would beat Navy let alone throttle them like they did.
 
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