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Using two different services that measure strength of schedule, Houston has played nobody. This is using Sagarin and Team Rankings. Actually, to go a step further, their SOS is 24 slots worse then the second and third worst SOS of any team in the top 40. So they are far and away the worst schedule of any other top 40 team. That other team is Navy. Houston beat Navy today, it's navy. Houston has not beat a ranked team this year and they have no signature wins. So look Herman seems like a coach that may be good, but to crown this guy is just way too aggressive. He did not recruit this team, he isn't playing anyone, and he's coached 12 games in his career.
 
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Now evaluate the SOS and compare it to average margin of victory.

Having a weak schedule isn't an issue, by itself. The question is, do you blow doors against that weak schedule.

Baylor doesn't play anyone, either. But Briles goes all in to punish those teams. Herman has done the same.

Herman is gonna be legit at his next stop.
 
Canecanecane said:
Using two different services that measure strength of schedule, Houston has played nobody. This is using Sagarin and Team Rankings. Actually, to go a step further, their SOS is 24 slots worse then the second and third worst SOS of any team in the top 40. So they are far and away the worst schedule of any other top 40 team. That other team is Navy. Houston beat Navy today, it's navy. Houston has not beat a ranked team this year and they have no signature wins. So look Herman seems like a coach that may be good, but to crown this guy is just way too aggressive. He did not recruit this team, he isn't playing anyone, and he's coached 12 games in his career.
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No one is saying Houston is a great team, rather Herman is an excellent coach. Jimbo Fisher and Gary Patterson won approximately ZERO games before the y were hired which was the same amount Butch won before we hired him in 95. Houston's SOS is totally irrelevant.
 
This SOS argument isn't valid. If Herman had a talent disparity where his team's were power 5 talent, but beating AAC teams, then that would be valid. It's not. It's an equal playing field and he is beating teams with talent similar to his.

The fact that he didn't recruit these kids just shows how good he is. He hasn't even brought in his style of players. He went out and worked with that he had and dominated.

See it your way. A winner is a winner.
 
Houston was 8-5 in 2014. Herman hasn't even had a year to bring "his" players in and he's sitting with a 1 loss season just a year into his tenure. Pick on Golden or his buddy London... it's easier.
 
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I get the whole he's a pretty good offensive guy, but people are crowning him and saying they want either Chip, Les, Butch, or Herman. Herman may very well be a great one 3 years from now, but he's not even in their league because he has done very little to suggest he can get it done at the next level. Don't give him $3-4 million a year. Just doesn't make sense. He would be a top 15 paid coach in the nation.
 
Canecanecane said:
I get the whole he's a pretty good offensive guy, but people are crowning him and saying they want either Chip, Les, Butch, or Herman. Herman may very well be a great one 3 years from now, but he's not even in their league because he has done very little to suggest he can get it done at the next level. Don't give him $3-4 million a year. Just doesn't make sense. He would be a top 15 paid coach in the nation.
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He's already making 3 million
 
Canecanecane said:
I get the whole he's a pretty good offensive guy, but people are crowning him and saying they want either Chip, Les, Butch, or Herman. Herman may very well be a great one 3 years from now, but he's not even in their league because he has done very little to suggest he can get it done at the next level. Don't give him $3-4 million a year. Just doesn't make sense. He would be a top 15 paid coach in the nation.
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Sure, dont pay him a seasoned vets salary. I agree.

But its foolish to downplay his coaching acumen.

Did he not make THREE qbs championship ready with osu?

Has he not taken a team full of guys he just met to an 11-1 record? Not only does he NOT know these kids.... hes overcome adversity and injury to win games.

This aint no smoke and mirrors.

That man can coach.

he just needs to get more defensive connections and hes going to rock college football.
 
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
 
And he´s winning with a team decimated by injuries, for God sake!

If I´m not wrong, one of Houston CB´s is playing as RB, too.

Just look at OSU offensive numbers without him.

Just give this savage 4 millions now!
 
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Canezum5 said:
Canecanecane said:
I get the whole he's a pretty good offensive guy, but people are crowning him and saying they want either Chip, Les, Butch, or Herman. Herman may very well be a great one 3 years from now, but he's not even in their league because he has done very little to suggest he can get it done at the next level. Don't give him $3-4 million a year. Just doesn't make sense. He would be a top 15 paid coach in the nation.
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Sure, dont pay him a seasoned vets salary. I agree.

But its foolish to downplay his coaching acumen.

Did he not make THREE qbs championship ready with osu?

Has he not taken a team full of guys he just met to an 11-1 record? Not only does he NOT know these kids.... hes overcome adversity and injury to win games.

This aint no smoke and mirrors.

That man can coach.

he just needs to get more defensive connections and hes going to rock college football.
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My guess is Urban had a little to do with that. Here's a good quote to show how much influence Urban has. "I want a guy that's willing to learn," Meyer said, "because we're not going to change, especially on offense. We don't hire Tom Herman to put in Iowa State's offense. We hire Tom Herman to learn our offense and add to it. He had an expertise in the no-huddle."
 
Canecanecane said:
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
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Let's just say Golden had a track record as a great OC before his time with Temple. Wouldn't he be more valid coaching under guys like Meyer than Groh?
 
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Canecanecane said:
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
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I'm glad uf stayed away from urban Meyer because of his weak SOS

I'm glad *insert countless number of examples*
 
KevinCaneFace said:
Canecanecane said:
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
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Let's just say Golden had a track record as a great OC before his time with Temple. Wouldn't he be more valid coaching under guys like Meyer than Groh?
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Forsure. From a specialty standpoint. He's a better coach. He can coach and offense. Can he recruit (unknown), can he manage a program (still being determined), can he coach care against real competition ( unknown).
 
Kyle Liburd said:
Canecanecane said:
Let's just say this. Golden was 9-4 in 2009 at Temple with a SOS of 102. Strength of schedule always matters. If you play nobody, you are likely playing against bad coaches and weak talent.
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I'm glad uf stayed away from urban Meyer because of his weak SOS

I'm glad *insert countless number of examples*
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Well actually lol he had top 50 SOS 2 years in a row at Utah before Florida took him. He went 12-0 in his last year and beat UNC, Texas A&M, Arizona, and won the Fiesta bowl 35-7, and nobody came close to beating them. Closest loss was a 14 win.
 
Oh and his QB was taken #1 overall. That's what you should need to do at a non AQ school to get scooped up by the big dogs. Not go 11-1 with a 101 SOS in year 1. Do it 2 more years then I'm a believer.
 
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