Hokies challenging Red Shirt vs Opt Out definitions in this new Revenue Share era

[flips]

I don't know, it's pretty hazy man. What if a players wants to redshirt, but the coach wants him to play? Does the player have the right to refuse to play and take his redshirt'? Probably not. If you have a scholarship to play football, and the agreement is that you have to play in lieu for scholaship, tuition, room and board, I don't think the player has a legal leg to stand on in court by saying, "Well I wanted to take a redshirt to take time to develop."

Not his call. If he plays more than 4 games, unless he is injured, he can't redshirt. Sure, he could holdout and refuse to play, but that would likely constitute breach of contract. The NIL deal could blow up in smoke too, as while NIL doesn't count as 'compensation for athletic performance', it wouldn't overly surprise me that the NIL deal has language that says, "If you holdout or refuse contractual obligations, we can terminate the deal." Probably morals clauses in there as well 'conduct determimental to the sponsor/brand'.

He does. Current NCAA rule is a player has a 5 year window to play 4. If a player wishes to exercise his redshirt, he can redshirt. I believe VT has conceded this point, if Heitner's tweet is accurate. They aren't claiming that the player can't redshirt. They are allegedly claiming that they can terminate his scholarship and revenue share payments because he exercised his redshirt. He would be a redshirt-whatever next year at whichever school he plays at.

This is a pretty absurd situation. The best way to avoid it in the future is to junk the redshirt/5-yr window and move to a 5-yr eligibility model.

 

[GojiraCane]

They plan to raise their budget that much, but have to still find $120 million of that number in uncommitted booster funding. They might get half of that, but that’s still a massive shortfall.

They plan to raise student fees to over 1K a year - expect pushback there.

The bridge funding is going to come back and bite them in the *** too.

The school threw that number out there without the commitment, any real coach is going to look around and call their bluff.

I’ve said a version of this for over five years - raising student fees to fund athletics is ultimately going to lead to political action by students that will end football at certain schools. Maybe not at VA Tech, but other schools.

 

[Shogungts]

This is a pretty absurd situation. The best way to avoid it in the future is to junk the redshirt/5-yr window and move to a 5-yr eligibility model.

This times a million!

I have been saying for years (I know many others have as well) that they need to get rid of redshirts and just move to 5 years of eligibility. If they want to add a waiver process for a 6th year if a player gets injured in their 5th year I would be fine with that as well.

 

[flips]

This times a million!

I have been saying for years (I know many others have as well) that they need to get rid of redshirts and just move to 5 years of eligibility. If they want to add a waiver process for a 6th year if a player gets injured in their 5th year I would be fine with that as well.

Yup, and I think there was scuttlebutt after last year that NCAA was going to move to 5 years of eligibility. Not sure what happened? Maybe, since the JUCO eligibility cases are dragging out they don't want to move on the 5-yr thing until that is resolved?

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

If they want to play him and he doesn’t want to then he can kick rocks.

 

[TemplarCane]

I don't think NIL should be pay to play. That should just be standard endorsement deals.

Rev share should ABSOLUTELY be pay to play.

I'm with the school here. If the coach wants you to compete in games and you choose not to for your eligibility then you shouldn't be paid in the Rev share pool.

If there's mutual agreement on the shirt or the coach decides you're shirting then you should still be paid in the Rev share.

But agree on the premise that we need to stop pretending that they're not being paid to play.

To me it depends on how you define ‘pay-to-play’.

Are you providing statistical incentives? For example, does your starting quarterback get more money for throwing 30+ touchdowns? I’m opposed to that type of revenue sharing payment structure.

Every player on the roster should receive a minimum revenue share, with increases for participation. Obviously a starting quarterback is going to be paid much more than QB3, who might only get limited playing time in three or four blowout games. Other positions are difficult to quantify because of who might be on the field the first play of a game or have a higher snap count due to player rotations and in-game situations.

There should be team incentives. Don’t most conference team revenue sharing models have teams on television more and on higher rated games collecting a greater share of the conference television revenue? Also more television revenue for the CFP and other bowl games. Some of this should flow down to the roster. Coaches have incentive clauses based on team performance, why shouldn’t the players?

Schools and players can share insurance cost to cover what might be lost due to injury. That’s an easy one.

Voluntarily redshirting is a sticky situation. I don’t see anything wrong with wanting to preserve a year of eligibility. Coaches do it to players all the time why can’t players do it? The risk is the player jumps in the transfer portal at the end of the season. This risk works both ways.

Programs should structure revenue sharing payments over the full academic year. A player who voluntarily redshirts and transfers out in January forfeits a portion of what he otherwise would have been paid.

I also agree with others who have posted an easy solution is to eliminate redshirts. You have five years to play five years with consideration for season ending injuries allowing additional years of participation.

 

[gogeta4]

Which is a bigger black eye: this for VT or Lucas for Wisconsin. The have nots are getting agressive.

VT just adjusted their budget for the next 4 years adding $229m to athletics to make up for the losses of around $50m/year. This still doesn’t addrsss major structural issues within the program and institution.

vt ran their athletic program like a flea market just as bad as um or maybe even worse.

frank beamer or whomever made up for how garbagely ran an operation they have had...they are a poverty program. They didnt even have merch for players at times on the football team with a nike contract

 

[gogeta4]

This is why you shouldnt fire a coach this early in the season.

especially an alumni coach what is vt playing for anyway..should of just waited until later in the year

 

[90scane]

vt ran their athletic program like a flea market just as bad as um or maybe even worse.

frank beamer or whomever made up for how garbagely ran an operation they have had...they are a poverty program. They didnt even have merch for players at times on the football team with a nike contract

I live in VT territory. ******* hate them. They have so many issues we could write a book. Just happy as I hate them. Now I would rather it happen to UGA, OSU, gators, fsu, bama, lsu, Texas…

 

[gogeta4]

if you voluntarily redshirt and it’s not injury related, the school should have the right to terminate any rev share agreements, but not the scholarship itself.

they arent terminating the scholarship until after the semester. I'm actually in agreement with va tech on this particular situation or player.

you wanna shirt to preserve eligibility so you can transfer or do whatever...I may actually need you to play and your going to say no so why am i paying you and doing all of this extras.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Supposedly another one. This is gonna keep happening until the courts settle it

 

[StevoBevo]

Supposedly another one. This is gonna keep happening until the courts settle it

Team player yet wants to redshirt 1/2 way through the season because your team isn’t making playoffs ? He quit. He also quit in HIS best interests. Not his teams.

This era is all about “business” decisions and your boys and your team is left in the rear view mirror. No wonder teams free fall so quickly nowadays

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Team player yet wants to redshirt 1/2 way through the season because your team isn’t making playoffs ? He quit. He also quit in HIS best interests. Not his teams.

This era is all about “business” decisions and your boys and your team is left in the rear view mirror. No wonder teams free fall so quickly nowadays

You’re not wrong. And if I was paying his NIL, I’d want him to be kicked off so I didn’t have to pay.

 

[MedleyCane]

I spent enough time in that part of Virginia to be convinced that if Heitner files a suit there with that jury pool, out there, they’re not going to be very sympathetic to him.

Ya think? Lol.