Confirmed Hip-Drop Tackle

[Rellyrell]

This is the same case I have been making with my group of friends about the targeting rule. How is it not targeting when the offensive player leads with their helmet and makes contact to the head and neck area of a defender? They are killing off any ability to play defense and tackle in the game.

Exactly. Let’s call it what it is; the NFL & the NBA have both been slanting its rules to gear towards high, productive offenses under the guise of player safety & player movement (respectively).

These rules are hampering the defense, not player safety, but it’s quite fine for a defender to get blown up. I know that the NFL made it a point of emphasis to target chop blocking, & crack back blocking, but the vast majority of these new rule favor The O. Like it’s football, yo. Again, injuries are apart of the game. Again, I’m all for making the game safer, but my God, they are trying to neuter the game.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Listen; I’m all for player safety, but this is bull ****.

Running backs can run full speed, dropping their shoulder & helmet into a stationed defender looking to make a play, blow them up, concussing them, & it’s all good.

A hip drop tackle is a natural tackle. When someone is dragging u, u have to shift ur weight to slow them down, to bring them down.

This is f’ing tackle football; ppl get injured. It’s an unfortunate part of the game, but it appears that it’s only unfortunate when it comes to the offensive side of the ball.

PREACH!!!!!

 

[Rellyrell]

My initial thought is that it's another example of the NFL being soft, but it's banned in rugby and the Australian Football League and neither of those sports is for soft people. Maybe it is a good thing the NFL is banning it.

Respectfully, Rugby & AFL r two totally different sports. It’s like a mixture of Futbol & Football. Also, these guys are scrumming, and their rules r similar but quite different than American Football. Plus, these dudes are wearing zero gear, so it would make sense why they have the rules they do.

Again, the hip drop tackle has been used for decades. The horse collar tackle had been used for decades, QBs getting hit below their knees have been happening for decades. The only reason why any of those rules took place was b/c of ONE injury to ONE superstar player. Its reactive rules; the only rules I was OK were helmet to helmet, & horse collar b/c both can be avoided, but hip drop? Can’t hit a QB while in the pocket? Come on.

 

[flips]

I motion CIS ban hip-drop porsting.

Where is the concern for porster safety?

it pretty clear we dont even have concussion protocol here. baby steps first

 

[atlcane72]

I cringe every time I see this tackle.

 

[kyle_schick]

Another step down the long road of the planned destruction of sports in this country.

 

[Canezum5]

Im sorry but i cant believe that anyone who actually started in actual games and had logged over 500 tackles in their life would even begin to suggest that this is a natural tackling method.

Its not. You do not Have to EVER tackle ANYONE like this. This type of tackling will end in injury more often than not. R.i.p. to the old wrestling and football coach, Coach Bolt. He didn't give a **** how talented you were. If you tackled like this you WOULD not play for him.

Its a dirty *** tackle that has been used to purposely maim and injure good players for decades. **** is worse than targeting, far worse. To hang on a players upper body then throw or drop your weight down on their calf or below is a brutal thing to do.

 

[MyKidIsLoggedIn2MyAccount]

I motion CIS ban hip-drop porsting.

Where is the concern for porster safety?

I’ve been hospitalized

 

[Headhunter]

time to invest in the XFL

 

[Bird4um]

This is probably the worst kind of tackle in football history. This is how Jordan Travis got hurt, not that i care .

Cheap and tacky way to tackle tho.

I say by any means necessary.

 

[AlexCane]

Listen; I’m all for player safety, but this is bull ****.

Running backs can run full speed, dropping their shoulder & helmet into a stationed defender looking to make a play, blow them up, concussing them, & it’s all good.

A hip drop tackle is a natural tackle. When someone is dragging u, u have to shift ur weight to slow them down, to bring them down.

This is f’ing tackle football; ppl get injured. It’s an unfortunate part of the game, but it appears that it’s only unfortunate when it comes to the offensive side of the ball.

I think the problem is that the tackler oftentimes (purposefully or unpurposefully?) falls or lunges into the ball carrier's knees or legs, creating some gnarly torque. If that is what the NFL is trying to avoid, I think that's ok--provided, IMO, that the tackle should be permissible if the defender avoids putting his weight onto the ball carrier's knees.

I'm more concerned about how these things get officiated because (1) it usually helps star players and (2) a 15 yard penalty in a crucial moment on a questionable call is really, really c r a p p y.

 

[Cookie917]

Respectfully, Rugby & AFL r two totally different sports. It’s like a mixture of Futbol & Football. Also, these guys are scrumming, and their rules r similar but quite different than American Football. Plus, these dudes are wearing zero gear, so it would make sense why they have the rules they do.

Again, the hip drop tackle has been used for decades. The horse collar tackle had been used for decades, QBs getting hit below their knees have been happening for decades. The only reason why any of those rules took place was b/c of ONE injury to ONE superstar player. Its reactive rules; the only rules I was OK were helmet to helmet, & horse collar b/c both can be avoided, but hip drop? Can’t hit a QB while in the pocket? Come on.

You right man... they talking about player safety yet make the players play in London on a sunday, then fly back and have a thursday game and ADDED a game to the schedule. Nobody gives a **** about player safety when it comes to foreign fields that have who know what as maintenance or fields that are torn up from a game on Sunday-Thursday, not to mention the extra 60 minutes of headbanging for game 17 now.

Same thing how targeting is never called on the offensive player yet the defensive guy can be lowering his head all the same as the offensive player yet he gets flagged. As far as the hip drop, The issue I see is actually highlighted in the video. Some guys are clear in their intention. others, they are just trailing and grab onto his waist and try to drag the guy down. In that case what are you supposed to do then ? It is basically limited now to diving at the back of their legs/knees or grabbing their hips and just holding on for reinforcements without bringing them down. If I am trailing and grab on I have to drop my weight to bring you down or else the player is going to keep on running like he is pulling a **** sled.

 

[Rellyrell]

I think the problem is that the tackler oftentimes (purposefully or unpurposefully?) falls or lunges into the ball carrier's knees or legs, creating some gnarly torque. If that is what the NFL is trying to avoid, I think that's ok--provided, IMO, that the tackle should be permissible if the defender avoids putting his weight onto the ball carrier's knees.

I'm more concerned about how these things get officiated because (1) it usually helps star players and (2) a 15 yard penalty in a crucial moment on a questionable call is really, really c r a p p y.

Agree w/ u, however, being I’ve played tackle football from Pop Warner through HS (& was **** good at it), it’s a natural progression. My cousin is 2x bigger than me, & played D1 ball at Army b4 becoming full military; in practice he came right at me as he played full back in Pop Warner & I always played Secondary and WR. Do u think I was going to let that big **** carry me 10 yards? Fck no; natural instinct even as a youngin was to shift my weight & drop him down by any means w/o pulling his face mask.

These dudes r running full speed at u, many r squatting 315+. As a defender trying to tackle someone full speed is to wrap up & drop ur weight to drop them. U already put a defender at a disadvantage as a RB/TE/WR can run through u w/ their shoulder & helmet, & meanwhile, u gotta turn ur head hoping u don’t make helmet contact, but now they can run through u, & carry u b/c I can’t shift my weight to drop them?

That’s an incredible burden placed upon both refs & defenders. After a while, these dudes will be afraid to tackle, period.

 

[Rellyrell]

You right man... they talking about player safety yet make the players play in London on a sunday, then fly back and have a thursday game and ADDED a game to the schedule. Nobody gives a **** about player safety when it comes to foreign fields that have who know what as maintenance or fields that are torn up from a game on Sunday-Thursday, not to mention the extra 60 minutes of headbanging for game 17 now.

Same thing how targeting is never called on the offensive player yet the defensive guy can be lowering his head all the same as the offensive player yet he gets flagged. As far as the hip drop, The issue I see is actually highlighted in the video. Some guys are clear in their intention. others, they are just trailing and grab onto his waist and try to drag the guy down. In that case what are you supposed to do then ? It is basically limited now to diving at the back of their legs/knees or grabbing their hips and just holding on for reinforcements without bringing them down. If I am trailing and grab on I have to drop my weight to bring you down or else the player is going to keep on running like he is pulling a **** sled.

Exactly; they got these dudes complaining about the type of turf the NFL is using, tearing ACLs & MCLs at an astronomical rate, yet the NFL says naw. Then u have players complaining playing on Sundays & then again on a Thursday, & the NFL says naw. Then u have players not too thrilled traveling well out of time zones to play in countries where their fields are not in harmony with NFL standards & the NFL is like naw.

Spare me the NFL safety bull ****; these rules have become & more slanted towards the O b/c of Vegas & FFB. The moment the NFL & NBA became comfortable aligning itself w/ Betting companies, all of a sudden u saw an influx of rules catering to the O.

 

[AlexCane]

Agree w/ u, however, being I’ve played tackle football from Pop Warner through HS (& was **** good at it), it’s a natural progression. My cousin is 2x bigger than me, & played D1 ball at Army b4 becoming full military; in practice he came right at me as he played full back in Pop Warner & I always played Secondary and WR. Do u think I was going to let that big **** carry me 10 yards? Fck no; natural instinct even as a youngin was to shift my weight & drop him down by any means w/o pulling his face mask.

These dudes r running full speed at u, many r squatting 315+. As a defender trying to tackle someone full speed is to wrap up & drop ur weight to drop them. U already put a defender at a disadvantage as a RB/TE/WR can run through u w/ their shoulder & helmet, & meanwhile, u gotta turn ur head hoping u don’t make helmet contact, but now they can run through u, & carry u b/c I can’t shift my weight to drop them?

That’s an incredible burden placed upon both refs & defenders. After a while, these dudes will be afraid to tackle, period.

I just read the article. It's not the hip-drop that will be illegal but rather the swivel. The problem is, when you look at the video, some of those defenders attacking WRs in the slot, I'm not sure how with physics and momentum you avoid some swivel. I think defenders will have to go to their knees to avoid the swivel.

 

[Cookie917]

Exactly; they got these dudes complaining about the type of turf the NFL is using, tearing ACLs & MCLs at an astronomical rate, yet the NFL says naw. Then u have players complaining playing on Sundays & then again on a Thursday, & the NFL says naw. Then u have players not too thrilled traveling well out of time zones to play in countries where their fields are not in harmony with NFL standards & the NFL is like naw.

Spare me the NFL safety bull ****; these rules have become & more slanted towards the O b/c of Vegas & FFB. The moment the NFL & NBA became comfortable aligning itself w/ Betting companies, all of a sudden u saw an influx of rules catering to the O.

Yup and soon the NFL will be like the NBA where it is a glorified 7v7 game and just all offense.

As far as safety, some stuff makes sense to me in just getting with the times (if not we are still playing in leather helmets so have to be okay with some change) For me, Like the direct hits to the head, I can get on board with because that also promotes proper tackling technique (yes they have taken it too far IMO but the general idea I was good with). But at some point these guys need to realize this is a violent sport and injuries happen. That would be like saying no more body shots in boxing, like bih I am supposed to punch this man. I get it, injuries suck and no one should root for injuries and you should not take cheap shots but lets not forget they are making millionssssssss to take on these inherit risks. I will gladly take the CBA's minimum in the NFL knowing some dude may come in my office on a random tuesday and hip drop tackle me that could **** up my ankle.

 

[Invalid Username]

Make it flag football at this point. ******* joke. Coincidence they made this rule right after saying scoring averages were down.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Agree w/ u, however, being I’ve played tackle football from Pop Warner through HS (& was **** good at it), it’s a natural progression. My cousin is 2x bigger than me, & played D1 ball at Army b4 becoming full military; in practice he came right at me as he played full back in Pop Warner & I always played Secondary and WR. Do u think I was going to let that big **** carry me 10 yards? Fck no; natural instinct even as a youngin was to shift my weight & drop him down by any means w/o pulling his face mask.

These dudes r running full speed at u, many r squatting 315+. As a defender trying to tackle someone full speed is to wrap up & drop ur weight to drop them. U already put a defender at a disadvantage as a RB/TE/WR can run through u w/ their shoulder & helmet, & meanwhile, u gotta turn ur head hoping u don’t make helmet contact, but now they can run through u, & carry u b/c I can’t shift my weight to drop them?

That’s an incredible burden placed upon both refs & defenders. After a while, these dudes will be afraid to tackle, period.

Maybe I"m not picturing the hipdrop tackle correctly but I think you can still chase down a runner and wrap around the hips, it just has to be more like double leg takedown in wrestling where you drive the body forward/sideways and basically your full body would land on top of the runner. Legs shouldn't get caught under the body in that situation. What they don't want is where you wrap up around the waist and leave your feet, your body weight pulls straight down so the runner falls on his knees and then your entire body weight lands on the back of his legs.

 

[clg003]

its pretty simple... if you grab someone from behind or the side and you kick you legs up in the air like a pornstar to try and tackle them your a ***** and you will be flagged 15 yards. If kicking your legs up is where your at you better sucka mean d because the only future you have is in pxxn. Cry harder.

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

I’m fine for doing this all post mortem, whatever. To try and police it live during the game just seems dumb.