Health

[AlphaMarshan]

Some people on this forum have tried to make it sound like it's "easy" to be a S&C Coach. "Just lift heavy weight until you can't anymore then do it again tomorrow. Durr." It isn't.

At a macro level, you have to develop your players in a way that the head coach wants. ie: A basketball head coach may want his players bigger, stronger, and more physical in the paint, while another may want his players developed for speed. Jim Radcliffe at Oregon was famous for this under Chip Kelly who wanted his players to be faster and in better shape than anyone.

I'm not sure MC's relationship with Feld but they have been together for a while and I'm sure there is some dynamic of what Mario wants vs. what Feld advises.

So not only do you have to devise an entire off-season and in-season program, you are ultimately responsible for what goes on in the weightroom and on the field at a micro level: making sure all players get their reps at their correct percentages. Then you have all the nagging, aching injuries some players will be dealing with to make you question if you should adjust your programming altogether, or just deal with those specific players. And each of those players have their own nagging issues that can't be dealt with by just the Athletic Training staff.

I've been in the Hecht myself training 4 separate athletes with 4 separate individual training programs (rehabbing injuries) while also keeping an eye on the other 12 out on the field who are supposed to be running 800's. And that was just for soccer. He has help with his assistant coaches but it can be incredibly chaotic dealing with that many athletes and having them adhere to a program, especially when the head coach or other staff want answers on if someone is good to go or not.

 

[SSCane]

My area of experience and expertise is QB’s, not Strength and Conditioning.

If there is something to the Feld philosophy that is leading to more injuries, then we need someone knowledgeable and armed with facts to explain.

Someone like @Rellyrell @AlexCane @Paranos @BeastMode @TemplarCane or even @Liberty City El who know the drill for football related S&C

I’m no expert either but I don’t think so.
There a bunch of different injuries to those guys.
It’s not like all of them are blowing ACLs and Hammies.
X - broken foot lingering injury he had for a while.
George - broken thumb in game vs ANM.
Chaney - hip fracture.

Then you have the guys who are always hurt, like Mallory, Chaney, Knighton regards less who the strength coach is.

Maybe it could be due to more contact in practice but I don’t think it’s that either.

 

[Cribby]

We’re very banged up.

 

[Cribby]

I’m no expert either but I don’t think so.
There a bunch of different injuries to those guys.
It’s not like all of them are blowing ACLs and Hammies.
X - broken foot lingering injury he had for a while.
George - broken thumb in game vs ANM.
Chaney - hip fracture.

Then you have the guys who are always hurt, like Mallory, Chaney, Knighton regards less who the strength coach is.

Maybe it could be due to more contact in practice but I don’t think it’s that either.

Most of the injuries are in games , lingering issue or freakish like with Don. I think we have enough to be rustled about without diving into the S&C theories. At least for now.

 

[BeastMode]

Worth mentioning that last year Oregon had their worst season for injuries ever, with Feld being the common denominator. I said it would be something to keep an eye on while he was here and already we're seeing a massive list of injuries.

Not enough data for me to start pointing fingers yet, though. Football is a physical game and people get hurt, but when you consistently become an outlier relative to other teams...

I’m curious if practices are more psychical. Like when are these injuries happening and how. We aren’t getting any detail on them from the school so hard to gauge why they are happening

 

[BeastMode]

We’re very banged up.

 

[BeastMode]

Some people on this forum have tried to make it sound like it's "easy" to be a S&C Coach. "Just lift heavy weight until you can't anymore then do it again tomorrow. Durr." It isn't.

At a macro level, you have to develop your players in a way that the head coach wants. ie: A basketball head coach may want his players bigger, stronger, and more physical in the paint, while another may want his players developed for speed. Jim Radcliffe at Oregon was famous for this under Chip Kelly who wanted his players to be faster and in better shape than anyone.

I'm not sure MC's relationship with Feld but they have been together for a while and I'm sure there is some dynamic of what Mario wants vs. what Feld advises.

So not only do you have to devise an entire off-season and in-season program, you are ultimately responsible for what goes on in the weightroom and on the field at a micro level: making sure all players get their reps at their correct percentages. Then you have all the nagging, aching injuries some players will be dealing with to make you question if you should adjust your programming altogether, or just deal with those specific players. And each of those players have their own nagging issues that can't be dealt with by just the Athletic Training staff.

I've been in the Hecht myself training 4 separate athletes with 4 separate individual training programs (rehabbing injuries) while also keeping an eye on the other 12 out on the field who are supposed to be running 800's. And that was just for soccer. He has help with his assistant coaches but it can be incredibly chaotic dealing with that many athletes and having them adhere to a program, especially when the head coach or other staff want answers on if someone is good to go or not.

Didn’t we bring in the hockey guy to track overall health and work capacity of the athletes?

I wouldn’t think it’s over training. May just be some fluke stuff cause injuries happen to every team. If we were stacked like Bama or Georgia we probably wouldn’t even worry about some of these injuries.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

Didn’t we bring in the hockey guy to track overall health and work capacity of the athletes?

He was brought in as essentially a data analyst and is presumably tracking all kinds of metrics, yeah.

I wouldn’t think it’s over training.

Overtraining is quantifiable and we have protocols to test for and measure it. You'd be surprised how many people are overtrained without even realizing it. I think Feld's educational background should lead him to being fine in this regard but we don't know. Many of the "top" strength coaches you've heard of have zero understanding of what overtraining is or how it works and live in the 70's.

May just be some fluke stuff cause injuries happen to every team.

Maybe. Maybe not. There are so many variables at play it's difficult to know - we need more data but so far it's not looking good. Could just be that we're unlucky or it could be that training protocols are whack.

If we were stacked like Bama or Georgia we probably wouldn’t even worry about some of these injuries.

I get what you're saying, and not trying to pick on you here, but just wanted to remind everyone that these are college kids. We always worry and care about when athletes are hurt.

 

[AlexCane]

Injuries happen. I certainly have no stats comparing what we have this year vs. what we had in the past or what is customary. But, yeah, I'm a little concerned that Mario's more physical style could be leading to some more injuries but linking the data is a very difficult task.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

Injuries happen. I certainly have no stats comparing what we have this year vs. what we had in the past or what is customary. But, yeah, I'm a little concerned that Mario's more physical style could be leading to some more injuries but linking the data is a very difficult task.

It's so tough to get data, there's so many variables. We also never factor in that these are college kids: they're coming in hungover, they're partying and not getting enough sleep, they have relationship problems affecting their psychology/focus, that's on top of classes (lol, I know, but let's at least pretend) and other stuff they got going on like if they're homesick or something.

I'm just saying that so many people throw their hands up and say "we're cursed" when really we just don't have enough evidence to know what's really going on.

 

[Umbra]

Most of the injuries are in games , lingering issue or freakish like with Don. I think we have enough to be rustled about without diving into the S&C theories. At least for now.

We do, but this injury list when looking at his recent history is certainly another body for the pile.

 

[AlexCane]

It's so tough to get data, there's so many variables. We also never factor in that these are college kids: they're coming in hungover, they're partying and not getting enough sleep, they have relationship problems affecting their psychology/focus, that's on top of classes (lol, I know, but let's at least pretend) and other stuff they got going on like if they're homesick or something.

I'm just saying that so many people throw their hands up and say "we're cursed" when really we just don't have enough evidence to know what's really going on.

The neat thing is unlike years past, internally folks are equipped to give Mario the data. Whether he cares or not or does anything with it, who knows. But between Feld, the director of sports science, and our partnership with [that company whose name escapes me but relies on Whoop data], we have feedback of the relative recovery of the team.

Recovery is kind of quantified now. So, if Mario needs to scale back during the season, there's quantifiable data to provide to him.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

The neat thing is unlike years past, internally folks are equipped to give Mario the data. Whether he cares or not or does anything with it, who knows. But between Feld, the director of sports science, and our partnership with [that company whose name escapes me but relies on Whoop data], we have feedback of the relative recovery of the team.

Recovery is kind of quantified now. So, if Mario needs to scale back during the season, there's quantifiable data to provide to him.

I'd like to see a future where the S&C Coach has way more autonomy and is the "head coach" of training in their own right and doesn't have to worry about what the staff or administration "thinks we should do" at all, any more than Athletic Training or the medical staff do.

"I'm gonna run a safe and effective training program that optimizes performance and injury prevention based on the current scientific research. So I don't really care what you think we should do, that's what I'm gonna do."

 

[BeastMode]

He was brought in as essentially a data analyst and is presumably tracking all kinds of metrics, yeah.


Overtraining is quantifiable and we have protocols to test for and measure it. You'd be surprised how many people are overtrained without even realizing it. I think Feld's educational background should lead him to being fine in this regard but we don't know. Many of the "top" strength coaches you've heard of have zero understanding of what overtraining is or how it works and live in the 70's.


Maybe. Maybe not. There are so many variables at play it's difficult to know - we need more data but so far it's not looking good. Could just be that we're unlucky or it could be that training protocols are whack.


I get what you're saying, and not trying to pick on you here, but just wanted to remind everyone that these are college kids. We always worry and care about when athletes are hurt.

Last statement I was saying we wouldn’t have a thread on injuries if we were stacked. Not saying we don’t care. We are talking about it cause we have zero depth on this roster

 

[SeanTaylor26]

If Parrish is out we're fu**ed and will have no shot at beating UNC with our crappy WR's. Hoping he recovers in time to play this Sat!

 

[90scane]

CB - T Stevenson
RB - D Chaney
RB - H Parrish
RB - J Knighton
OL - Z Nelson
DT - JHH
OL - J Clarke
WR - J George
WR - Restrepo
CB - M Curtis

Missing Arroyo, Citizen(out for year)

I'd expect to see Nelson, Parrish, Knighton, Clarke, TS2 play some.

November - Chaney, George, X

Don't know much about M Curtis, JHH, Arroyo injuries.

As for S&C, unless they are getting hurt in the weight room we really can't place blame on Feld. It takes time to mold bodies into machines and he is only part of that process. Genetics, nutrition, and rest are just as important as lifting weights.

 

[90scane]

I've mentioned this before but I don't have an opinion because his programming is not available to the public. Only the people in the Hecht every morning know what they're doing programming-wise. All we can do is speculate based on what he's said in very short videos talking about his philosophy.

I've said ad nauseum on this forum that non-contact injuries, particularly knee injuries, can be - to some degree - attributable to the S&C Coach. And we've had a lot. And Oregon had a lot as well.

So it's all speculation at this point.

Chaney was last year. Citizen this year. Beyond Citizen, what other has a non-contact injury that wasn't a pre-existing injury?

 

[Cribby]

Missing Arroyo, Citizen(out for year)

I'd expect to see Nelson, Parrish, Knighton, Clarke, TS2 play some.

November - Chaney, George, X

Don't know much about M Curtis, JHH, Arroyo injuries.

As for S&C, unless they are getting hurt in the weight room we really can't place blame on Feld. It takes time to mold bodies into machines and he is only part of that process. Genetics, nutrition, and rest are just as important as lifting weights.

Nelson looks out. Knighton sounds doubtful as of now. TS 50/50 but i wouldn’t expect a lot of snaps if he goes.

 

[90scane]

Nelson out of all of them is likely the most important along with TS2. We have to be able to get our best players on the field or this season is like your avitar.

 

[Odysseus]

Nelson looks out. Knighton sounds doubtful as of now. TS 50/50 but i wouldn’t expect a lot of snaps if he goes.

Dam feel awful for Nelson it's supposed to be his money year with those high round projections, I remember guys saying all summer that he'll be fine and ready for the season but barely played.

As far as rb I see why the staff is trying to bring in two this cycle