forums

Head-to-Head Precedence From This Committee

OrangeBowlMagic

OrangeBowlMagic

CEO
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
19,092
I think we all agree what's happened to this point is complete bull****, and you don't need to be directly sequential in the rankings for head to head to matter. However, the committee chair has basically said that a few times now. So I wanted to look to see what this committee has done to this point. It's pretty evident, that of all the total nonsense they've done, the only thing they've actually gotten correct is putting teams ahead of others that they beat, when they are right next to each other in the rankings.

Now, you might say this is pointless and Miami is never getting in. I won't argue, nobody has been more vocal on here than me that we'll find some way to get screwed. The books still say we're out...we're +650 on DK. So, my entire point here is that if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday, the committee will be under immense pressure to finally make this right. If that happens, and they move BYU down a spot, the natural progression is ND stays at 10, Miami moves up to 11, and now they're directly next to each other in the rankings. Check this out, I went back through every single week of their rankings to this point and looked at teams who had played, and if they were next to each other in the rankings, how the committee placed them:

First Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
UGA is 5, Ole Miss is 6. UGA had beaten Ole Miss head to head
Texas is 11, OU is 12. Texas had beaten OU head to head
UVA is 14, Louisville is 15. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Second Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
Texas is 10, OU is 11. Texas had beaten OU head to head
BYU is 12, Utah is 13. BYU had beaten Utah head to head
USC is 17, Michigan is 18. USC had beaten Michigan head to head
UVA is 19, Louisville is 20. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Third Week:
BYU is 11, Utah is 12. BYU had beaten Utah head to head

Fourth Week:
Ole Miss is 7, OU is 8. Ole Miss had beaten OU head to head
Pitt is 22, GT is 23. Pitt had beaten GT head to head

Fifth Week:
OU is 8, Alabama is 9. OU had beaten Alabama head to head
Texas is 13, Vandy is 14. Texas had beaten Vandy head to head

So, unless I'm missing some, there have been 14 instances just this year, from this committee, where teams who have played on the field were listed sequentially in the rankings. IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, the committee actually did apply logic, and the team who won was higher, the team who lost was one spot behind.

All of this to say, they've had 14 tries at this, and they got it right 14 times. If nothing else, they have actually been logical about this particular situation. And it's common sense, for Christ's sake.

So, if you ask me is Miami getting in, my answer is no. We're not allowed to have nice things. But if, somehow, we actually get some luck (you know, the think we've gotten absolutely NONE of the past month), this has the potential to get real interesting. Of course, BYU can get blasted, and these ******** can come out and leave them 11 and tell us you don't get penalized for losing in a conference championship game. They can ***** us however they want. But, the one thing I believe they CANNOT do, is submit a final ballot that has ND 10th and Miami 11th. And that is likely how this is going to go if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday. BYU has to drop getting their 2nd loss, especially if they get smoked, Miami naturally moves up one spot. Now you have Miami and Notre Dame, back to back. 14 times this committee has looked at this exact situation, and 14 times they have put the winner on the field ahead of the loser.

Do they do the same on Sunday morning?
 
Advertisement
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think we all agree what's happened to this point is complete bull****, and you don't need to be directly sequential in the rankings for head to head to matter. However, the committee chair has basically said that a few times now. So I wanted to look to see what this committee has done to this point. It's pretty evident, that of all the total nonsense they've done, the only thing they've actually gotten correct is putting teams ahead of others that they beat, when they are right next to each other in the rankings.

Now, you might say this is pointless and Miami is never getting in. I won't argue, nobody has been more vocal on here than me that we'll find some way to get screwed. The books still say we're out...we're +650 on DK. So, my entire point here is that if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday, the committee will be under immense pressure to finally make this right. If that happens, and they move BYU down a spot, the natural progression is ND stays at 10, Miami moves up to 11, and now they're directly next to each other in the rankings. Check this out, I went back through every single week of their rankings to this point and looked at teams who had played, and if they were next to each other in the rankings, how the committee placed them:

First Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
UGA is 5, Ole Miss is 6. UGA had beaten Ole Miss head to head
Texas is 11, OU is 12. Texas had beaten OU head to head
UVA is 14, Louisville is 15. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Second Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
Texas is 10, OU is 11. Texas had beaten OU head to head
BYU is 12, Utah is 13. BYU had beaten Utah head to head
USC is 17, Michigan is 18. USC had beaten Michigan head to head
UVA is 19, Louisville is 20. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Third Week:
BYU is 11, Utah is 12. BYU had beaten Utah head to head

Fourth Week:
Ole Miss is 7, OU is 8. Ole Miss had beaten OU head to head
Pitt is 22, GT is 23. Pitt had beaten GT head to head

Fifth Week:
OU is 8, Alabama is 9. OU had beaten Alabama head to head
Texas is 13, Vandy is 14. Texas had beaten Vandy head to head

So, unless I'm missing some, there have been 14 instances just this year, from this committee, where teams who have played on the field were listed sequentially in the rankings. IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, the committee actually did apply logic, and the team who won was higher, the team who lost was one spot behind.

All of this to say, they've had 14 tries at this, and they got it right 14 times. If nothing else, they have actually been logical about this particular situation. And it's common sense, for Christ's sake.

So, if you ask me is Miami getting in, my answer is no. We're not allowed to have nice things. But if, somehow, we actually get some luck (you know, the think we've gotten absolutely NONE of the past month), this has the potential to get real interesting. Of course, BYU can get blasted, and these ******** can come out and leave them 11 and tell us you don't get penalized for losing in a conference championship game. They can ***** us however they want. But, the one thing I believe they CANNOT do, is submit a final ballot that has ND 10th and Miami 11th. And that is likely how this is going to go if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday. BYU has to drop getting their 2nd loss, especially if they get smoked, Miami naturally moves up one spot. Now you have Miami and Notre Dame, back to back. 14 times this committee has looked at this exact situation, and 14 times they have put the winner on the field ahead of the loser.

Do they do the same on Sunday morning?
Click to expand...
If BYU loses they have no choice. Being the only situation to do that in would be nuts.
 
I think people allowing them to say they are not in same pod and then remixing when we kept winning to oh that was different, we can only directly compare if they are side by side as they try any and everything to keep them separated by one team like oh look we cant compare now?


Friday Movie GIF
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think we all agree what's happened to this point is complete bull****, and you don't need to be directly sequential in the rankings for head to head to matter. However, the committee chair has basically said that a few times now. So I wanted to look to see what this committee has done to this point. It's pretty evident, that of all the total nonsense they've done, the only thing they've actually gotten correct is putting teams ahead of others that they beat, when they are right next to each other in the rankings.

Now, you might say this is pointless and Miami is never getting in. I won't argue, nobody has been more vocal on here than me that we'll find some way to get screwed. The books still say we're out...we're +650 on DK. So, my entire point here is that if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday, the committee will be under immense pressure to finally make this right. If that happens, and they move BYU down a spot, the natural progression is ND stays at 10, Miami moves up to 11, and now they're directly next to each other in the rankings. Check this out, I went back through every single week of their rankings to this point and looked at teams who had played, and if they were next to each other in the rankings, how the committee placed them:

First Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
UGA is 5, Ole Miss is 6. UGA had beaten Ole Miss head to head
Texas is 11, OU is 12. Texas had beaten OU head to head
UVA is 14, Louisville is 15. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Second Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
Texas is 10, OU is 11. Texas had beaten OU head to head
BYU is 12, Utah is 13. BYU had beaten Utah head to head
USC is 17, Michigan is 18. USC had beaten Michigan head to head
UVA is 19, Louisville is 20. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Third Week:
BYU is 11, Utah is 12. BYU had beaten Utah head to head

Fourth Week:
Ole Miss is 7, OU is 8. Ole Miss had beaten OU head to head
Pitt is 22, GT is 23. Pitt had beaten GT head to head

Fifth Week:
OU is 8, Alabama is 9. OU had beaten Alabama head to head
Texas is 13, Vandy is 14. Texas had beaten Vandy head to head

So, unless I'm missing some, there have been 14 instances just this year, from this committee, where teams who have played on the field were listed sequentially in the rankings. IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, the committee actually did apply logic, and the team who won was higher, the team who lost was one spot behind.

All of this to say, they've had 14 tries at this, and they got it right 14 times. If nothing else, they have actually been logical about this particular situation. And it's common sense, for Christ's sake.

So, if you ask me is Miami getting in, my answer is no. We're not allowed to have nice things. But if, somehow, we actually get some luck (you know, the think we've gotten absolutely NONE of the past month), this has the potential to get real interesting. Of course, BYU can get blasted, and these ******** can come out and leave them 11 and tell us you don't get penalized for losing in a conference championship game. They can ***** us however they want. But, the one thing I believe they CANNOT do, is submit a final ballot that has ND 10th and Miami 11th. And that is likely how this is going to go if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday. BYU has to drop getting their 2nd loss, especially if they get smoked, Miami naturally moves up one spot. Now you have Miami and Notre Dame, back to back. 14 times this committee has looked at this exact situation, and 14 times they have put the winner on the field ahead of the loser.

Do they do the same on Sunday morning?
Click to expand...
"Precedent"

I think every intelligent observer can see:

Bama will likely lose the SEC Championship game. BYU will lose.

and the idiots at the CFP will simply now be able to drop BAMA one spot BEHIND NOTRE DAME

AND STILL IN FRONT OF MIAMI.

Keeping the "head to head" a dead issue.
 
They will say just like last night ND has won 10 games in a row and are playing grreat football. We believe they are more consistent and head to head didnt really come up in conversation at all.

I think we deserve to be in but I just dont think they will put us in no matter the situation. I do think this descion by the commitee will change non confernece match ups tho, teams will not schedule premier games anymore
 
arwinga said:
They will say just like last night ND has won 10 games in a row and are playing grreat football. We believe they are more consistent and head to head didnt really come up in conversation at all.

I think we deserve to be in but I just dont think they will put us in no matter the situation. I do think this descion by the commitee will change non confernece match ups tho, teams will not schedule premier games anymore
Click to expand...

The world will burn if they do this. It's bull**** enough that they're doing what they're doing currently. It's drawing massive attention, more than I can ever remember, honestly.

What they cannot do is put ND 10 and Miami 11.
 
Advertisement
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think we all agree what's happened to this point is complete bull****, and you don't need to be directly sequential in the rankings for head to head to matter. However, the committee chair has basically said that a few times now. So I wanted to look to see what this committee has done to this point. It's pretty evident, that of all the total nonsense they've done, the only thing they've actually gotten correct is putting teams ahead of others that they beat, when they are right next to each other in the rankings.

Now, you might say this is pointless and Miami is never getting in. I won't argue, nobody has been more vocal on here than me that we'll find some way to get screwed. The books still say we're out...we're +650 on DK. So, my entire point here is that if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday, the committee will be under immense pressure to finally make this right. If that happens, and they move BYU down a spot, the natural progression is ND stays at 10, Miami moves up to 11, and now they're directly next to each other in the rankings. Check this out, I went back through every single week of their rankings to this point and looked at teams who had played, and if they were next to each other in the rankings, how the committee placed them:

First Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
UGA is 5, Ole Miss is 6. UGA had beaten Ole Miss head to head
Texas is 11, OU is 12. Texas had beaten OU head to head
UVA is 14, Louisville is 15. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Second Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
Texas is 10, OU is 11. Texas had beaten OU head to head
BYU is 12, Utah is 13. BYU had beaten Utah head to head
USC is 17, Michigan is 18. USC had beaten Michigan head to head
UVA is 19, Louisville is 20. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Third Week:
BYU is 11, Utah is 12. BYU had beaten Utah head to head

Fourth Week:
Ole Miss is 7, OU is 8. Ole Miss had beaten OU head to head
Pitt is 22, GT is 23. Pitt had beaten GT head to head

Fifth Week:
OU is 8, Alabama is 9. OU had beaten Alabama head to head
Texas is 13, Vandy is 14. Texas had beaten Vandy head to head

So, unless I'm missing some, there have been 14 instances just this year, from this committee, where teams who have played on the field were listed sequentially in the rankings. IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, the committee actually did apply logic, and the team who won was higher, the team who lost was one spot behind.

All of this to say, they've had 14 tries at this, and they got it right 14 times. If nothing else, they have actually been logical about this particular situation. And it's common sense, for Christ's sake.

So, if you ask me is Miami getting in, my answer is no. We're not allowed to have nice things. But if, somehow, we actually get some luck (you know, the think we've gotten absolutely NONE of the past month), this has the potential to get real interesting. Of course, BYU can get blasted, and these ******** can come out and leave them 11 and tell us you don't get penalized for losing in a conference championship game. They can ***** us however they want. But, the one thing I believe they CANNOT do, is submit a final ballot that has ND 10th and Miami 11th. And that is likely how this is going to go if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday. BYU has to drop getting their 2nd loss, especially if they get smoked, Miami naturally moves up one spot. Now you have Miami and Notre Dame, back to back. 14 times this committee has looked at this exact situation, and 14 times they have put the winner on the field ahead of the loser.

Do they do the same on Sunday morning?
Click to expand...
Just wanted to say I greatly appreciate all the due diligence you do on this subject and on the team itself. Like you, I agree we aren't allowed to have nice things but we shall see. GO CANES
 
im so over this sport at this point.

bring back the BCS or scrap the expanded playoffs and go back to the 4 team model. the way theyre doing it now is somehow worse than the BCS and the 4 team. at least with the 4 team, 2 losses would absolutely take you out and no talk about 3 losses.
 
The entire country is getting a very clear look at the great 8 and how college football has always been run.

I hold a sliver of hope

But

Deep down I already know how this plays out and I’ve known for decades, you see it now, you will ALWAYS see it now when you look at preseason ranks, week1,2,3,4 etc…

Watch the bull**** shell game and how they position the Great8

Watch the double standard and how they fall or don’t fall vs other teams w a loss

Its truly is a joke
 
Advertisement
OrangeBowlMagic said:
The world will burn if they do this. It's bull**** enough that they're doing what they're doing currently. It's drawing massive attention, more than I can ever remember, honestly.

What they cannot do is put ND 10 and Miami 11.
Click to expand...
I appreciate you breaking the stuff above down the way you did. Pretty insightful.

I will say this it's going to be tough to not put Miami in over ND if it gets to 10 vs 11, but I also don't have faith in them to use logic. They have created all these different comparison points on the fly the entire time. They will just wing it again. The biggest issue is they aren't going to be held accountable and they know it. If it were the SEC on the cut line things would undoubtedly be different, we know it. But who's going to hold them accountable for making the decision to leave Miami out and ND in if it swings that way? The ACC? Not a chance. ESPN? Yea right, they want more SEC if they could.

Not sure if anyone watched JD Pickell's reaction to the rankings last night but it was pretty good. He spoke about the initial rankings and that the committee just doesn't know what to do with us. They expected us to lose another game so that's why they slotted us at 18. We didn't so now they are like oh crap, the optics aren't in our favor. But now they keep creating a buffer between us and ND. There is no logical explanation on the metrics anymore, H2H is clear cut and dry, and now it's ND has a 10 game winning streak. I mean what the actual eff is that?

I hope I'm wrong, but they've tipped their hand.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think we all agree what's happened to this point is complete bull****, and you don't need to be directly sequential in the rankings for head to head to matter. However, the committee chair has basically said that a few times now. So I wanted to look to see what this committee has done to this point. It's pretty evident, that of all the total nonsense they've done, the only thing they've actually gotten correct is putting teams ahead of others that they beat, when they are right next to each other in the rankings.

Now, you might say this is pointless and Miami is never getting in. I won't argue, nobody has been more vocal on here than me that we'll find some way to get screwed. The books still say we're out...we're +650 on DK. So, my entire point here is that if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday, the committee will be under immense pressure to finally make this right. If that happens, and they move BYU down a spot, the natural progression is ND stays at 10, Miami moves up to 11, and now they're directly next to each other in the rankings. Check this out, I went back through every single week of their rankings to this point and looked at teams who had played, and if they were next to each other in the rankings, how the committee placed them:

First Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
UGA is 5, Ole Miss is 6. UGA had beaten Ole Miss head to head
Texas is 11, OU is 12. Texas had beaten OU head to head
UVA is 14, Louisville is 15. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Second Week:
Bama is 4, UGA is 5. Bama had beaten UGA head to head
Texas is 10, OU is 11. Texas had beaten OU head to head
BYU is 12, Utah is 13. BYU had beaten Utah head to head
USC is 17, Michigan is 18. USC had beaten Michigan head to head
UVA is 19, Louisville is 20. UVA had beaten Louisville head to head

Third Week:
BYU is 11, Utah is 12. BYU had beaten Utah head to head

Fourth Week:
Ole Miss is 7, OU is 8. Ole Miss had beaten OU head to head
Pitt is 22, GT is 23. Pitt had beaten GT head to head

Fifth Week:
OU is 8, Alabama is 9. OU had beaten Alabama head to head
Texas is 13, Vandy is 14. Texas had beaten Vandy head to head

So, unless I'm missing some, there have been 14 instances just this year, from this committee, where teams who have played on the field were listed sequentially in the rankings. IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, the committee actually did apply logic, and the team who won was higher, the team who lost was one spot behind.

All of this to say, they've had 14 tries at this, and they got it right 14 times. If nothing else, they have actually been logical about this particular situation. And it's common sense, for Christ's sake.

So, if you ask me is Miami getting in, my answer is no. We're not allowed to have nice things. But if, somehow, we actually get some luck (you know, the think we've gotten absolutely NONE of the past month), this has the potential to get real interesting. Of course, BYU can get blasted, and these ******** can come out and leave them 11 and tell us you don't get penalized for losing in a conference championship game. They can ***** us however they want. But, the one thing I believe they CANNOT do, is submit a final ballot that has ND 10th and Miami 11th. And that is likely how this is going to go if Bama and Texas Tech win on Saturday. BYU has to drop getting their 2nd loss, especially if they get smoked, Miami naturally moves up one spot. Now you have Miami and Notre Dame, back to back. 14 times this committee has looked at this exact situation, and 14 times they have put the winner on the field ahead of the loser.
0
Do they do the same on Sunday morning?
Click to expand...
Why do you think the committee will not rank miami ahead of nd if the supposed scenario happens and byu loses and Bama wins? What do you base that on or just your honest hunch?

I disagree.

Why would they honor head to head 14 of 14 times and not honor it in the last instance involving miami and ND?
 
Back
Top