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Highlights HC Mario after Quack Quack Losses

Man Mario was an oc
We’re doomed
He’s basically jimbo without calling plays
Gonna have to hope he just ammasses enough talent that he can’t lose
Basically what jimbo did
His teams then were loaded
 
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Just look at those losses in 2019. He had Herbert, Sewell, and Holland plus many others on that team who have made it to the NFL. If you’re starting an NFL team now from scratch, a lot of GM’s are picking Herbert to start their offense with and a lot of teams are starting with Holland with the way he is playing as well. It’s insane the talent that was hidden on that team that year.
 
JD08 said:
I just want Saturday to get here. If we win, things will settle a bit. If we lose, I'm applying for maude at Catfancy.com
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It wont even matter if we win. Someone will still mope, *****, moan and come up with some other creative ways to zhit on the team and coaches. Hopefully, i wont have to join you at catfancy.com but im seriously thinking about it.
 
JD08 said:
It would be nice to have a familiar face.
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Cat Nbc GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
What I’m trying to figure out how did he have that QB in 2021 if he had the west coast on lock? Also if you look on YouTube some of those offensive plays vs Utah. It looks a lot like what our offense looks now. Receivers running down field and no one looking back for the ball. Abysmal.
 
Empirical Cane said:
A very telling theme stands out over his D1P5 HC data...

He has proven to suffer a share of big upset losses season after season.

This isn't me being anti-Mario, although he is making it easier and easier. It's me being pro-data, themes, amd trends.
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I like many others knew this before he was hired and I obviously had some legit concerns but I also knew he was still learning to be a head coach and as such I expected improvement here his next job because of the tremendous experience Oregon was for him.

I like many others knew that Mario was going to be the #1 target of the administration and that if we could meet demands that he was going to be the guy. I was more than ok with that for a few reasons . First it would force us to get our **** together and make the decision to either go for it all and compete at the highest levels or forget the whole thing. We made the decision to go all in and make a commitment to spending the money and building the type of infrastructure necessary to compete at the highest levels.

I also knew that despite the warts on his coaching resume(GameDay coaching, conservative philosophy etc) that Mario is a tireless worker who would give 150% to this program to turn it around and be successful. I knew he was an elite recruiter and that he had a definitive plan and a clear vision in addition to practical firsthand knowledge based on personal experience on how to build a program from the ground up including the ability to connect with players. He is a leader and an alpha with the ability to build a culture conducive to winning. I knew that he would demand the very best from the entire organization and have us doing everything 1st class.

I knew that the issues plaguing this program were both foundational and systemic and that solving them required much more than a quick turn of the coaching wrench. Our problems went much deeper than schemes and recruiting.

With all of this in mind my personal opinion was/is that the potential rewards of this move far outweighed the risks involved. As a matter of fact I considered it a no brainer. I knew that it would take a few years(2-3) to truly install all of the foundational and cultural aspects that were required and that in itself was worth much more than our initial investment.

In terms of the actual GameDay coaching and schematics that are chosen I also knew that there would most likely be a good deal of trial and error at the beginning. We have certainly hired a great staff but sometimes it may take a few tweeks to settle in on the ideal staff for this particular situation so I would expect some minor adjustments there after the 1st year. Likewise there was always the distinct possibility that Mario would have to experience a "come to Jesus" moment where he would learn the difficult lesson of relinquishing some control over offensive philosophy for the good of the program. We may indeed be at that juncture now or maybe not but at some point Mario will have to make a decision on what is more important. His preferred conservative slow down play in a phone booth style of offense or something that is more compatible for the talent in our backyard. I sincerely believe that there is far too much at stake for Mario to just stubbornly double down on something that is clearly not a fit for who we are as a program. The emphasis on physicality at the LOS and in general on both sides of the ball with a powerful and effective rushing attack are crucial to the development of a championship program. Mario just cannot lose sight of the bigger picture, the offensive nature of the current game and the important role an efficient yet explosive passing attack plays in that context.

To sum it up I'm not sitting here pining over Lane Kiffin or anyone else for that matter because this program needed someone to address and successfully fix the foundational problems alluded to above. Mario Cristobal was the obvious choice to do exactly that. Although I certainly realize that there are shortcomings that will drive any true and passionate fan crazy I'm willing to live with them for the reasons that I've stated. Even if Mario does not deliver a Championship and we end up parting ways I believe that the program will be in excellent shape in terms of infrastructure and level of talent on the rooster for the next coach whoever he might be. In that case the biggest thing the new coach should have to worry about would be what types of schemes he plans to implement.
 
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The lethargy/lack of urgency (at best)when behind is concerning. Like those Richt "no mas" games.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
I like many others knew this before he was hired and I obviously had some legit concerns but I also knew he was still learning to be a head coach and as such I expected improvement here his next job because of the tremendous experience Oregon was for him.

I like many others knew that Mario was going to be the #1 target of the administration and that if we could meet demands that he was going to be the guy. I was more than ok with that for a few reasons . First it would force us to get our **** together and make the decision to either go for it all and compete at the highest levels or forget the whole thing. We made the decision to go all in and make a commitment to spending the money and building the type of infrastructure necessary to compete at the highest levels.

I also knew that despite the warts on his coaching resume(GameDay coaching, conservative philosophy etc) that Mario is a tireless worker who would give 150% to this program to turn it around and be successful. I knew he was an elite recruiter and that he had a definitive plan and a clear vision in addition to practical firsthand knowledge based on personal experience on how to build a program from the ground up including the ability to connect with players. He is a leader and an alpha with the ability to build a culture conducive to winning. I knew that he would demand the very best from the entire organization and have us doing everything 1st class.

I knew that the issues plaguing this program were both foundational and systemic and that solving them required much more than a quick turn of the coaching wrench. Our problems went much deeper than schemes and recruiting.

With all of this in mind my personal opinion was/is that the potential rewards of this move far outweighed the risks involved. As a matter of fact I considered it a no brainer. I knew that it would take a few years(2-3) to truly install all of the foundational and cultural aspects that were required and that in itself was worth much more than our initial investment.

In terms of the actual GameDay coaching and schematics that are chosen I also knew that there would most likely be a good deal of trial and error at the beginning. We have certainly hired a great staff but sometimes it may take a few tweeks to settle in on the ideal staff for this particular situation so I would expect some minor adjustments there after the 1st year. Likewise there was always the distinct possibility that Mario would have to experience a "come to Jesus" moment where he would learn the difficult lesson of relinquishing some control over offensive philosophy for the good of the program. We may indeed be at that juncture now or maybe not but at some point Mario will have to make a decision on what is more important. His preferred conservative slow down play in a phone booth style of offense or something that is more compatible for the talent in our backyard. I sincerely believe that there is far too much at stake for Mario to just stubbornly double down on something that is clearly not a fit for who we are as a program. The emphasis on physicality at the LOS and in general on both sides of the ball with a powerful and effective rushing attack are crucial to the development of a championship program. Mario just cannot lose sight of the bigger picture, the offensive nature of the current game and the important role an efficient yet explosive passing attack plays in that context.

To sum it up I'm not sitting here pining over Lane Kiffin or anyone else for that matter because this program needed someone to address and successfully fix the foundational problems alluded to above. Mario Cristobal was the obvious choice to do exactly that. Although I certainly realize that there are shortcomings that will drive any true and passionate fan crazy I'm willing to live with them for the reasons that I've stated. Even if Mario does not deliver a Championship and we end up parting ways I believe that the program will be in excellent shape in terms of infrastructure and level of talent on the rooster for the next coach whoever he might be. In that case the biggest thing the new coach should have to worry about would be what types of schemes he plans to implement.
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That is a lot of knowing my friend.

Since you mention the inevitable parting of ways (we've seen enough through S1G4), who should Miami put on the short list of replacements?
 
Empirical Cane said:
That is a lot of knowing my friend.

Since you mention the inevitable parting of ways (we've seen enough through S1G4), who should Miami put on the short list of replacements?
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LOL

Well my friend, as you and I both know, knowing is half the battle. As for a potential parting of ways, I never expressed that as something that is inevitable. I did say that if things don't work out that Mario will almost certainly leave the program in far better condition than it was when he took over and when I say far better condition that is likely to be a huge understatement. As for who the short list would consist of in that hypothetical future scenario, well my friend, even the scope of my "knowing" isn't sufficiently adequate to answer that at this time.

As of right now we have only played 4 games in the Cristobal era and in spite of the adversity that we are going through and the concerns expressed by myself and others I truly think that Mario can and will turn this around but before we come out on the other side we are likely going to have to go through the pain that comes with this type of overhaul.
 
Empirical Cane said:
That is a lot of knowing my friend.

Since you mention the inevitable parting of ways (we've seen enough through S1G4), who should Miami put on the short list of replacements?
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The list of replacements is invariably on the 1st page of this board where random posters make wistful claims of what coach x is doing (invariably with less talent, or so the legends go). So, today, it's the Kansas guy and of course, Lane Kiffin.
 
64-62..... 3-3 bowl record... 12 yrs Coaching...
 
AlexCane said:
The list of replacements is invariably on the 1st page of this board where random posters make wistful claims of what coach x is doing (invariably with less talent, or so the legends go). So, today, it's the Kansas guy and of course, Lane Kiffin.
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Yes but that is today. @Empirical Cane is asking who the short list would consist of should Mario and UM part ways and that is something that I couldn't see happening for at least 4 years but what do I know. I'm not anticipating that to happen as I expect Mario to be smart enough and dedicated enough to figure things out. There are a lot of experienced, competent and intelligent individuals surrounding the program now. The days of Blake James and Jen Strawley being the "brains" of the football operation are over.
 
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FrancisSawyer said:
I like many others knew this before he was hired and I obviously had some legit concerns but I also knew he was still learning to be a head coach and as such I expected improvement here his next job because of the tremendous experience Oregon was for him.

I like many others knew that Mario was going to be the #1 target of the administration and that if we could meet demands that he was going to be the guy. I was more than ok with that for a few reasons . First it would force us to get our **** together and make the decision to either go for it all and compete at the highest levels or forget the whole thing. We made the decision to go all in and make a commitment to spending the money and building the type of infrastructure necessary to compete at the highest levels.

I also knew that despite the warts on his coaching resume(GameDay coaching, conservative philosophy etc) that Mario is a tireless worker who would give 150% to this program to turn it around and be successful. I knew he was an elite recruiter and that he had a definitive plan and a clear vision in addition to practical firsthand knowledge based on personal experience on how to build a program from the ground up including the ability to connect with players. He is a leader and an alpha with the ability to build a culture conducive to winning. I knew that he would demand the very best from the entire organization and have us doing everything 1st class.

I knew that the issues plaguing this program were both foundational and systemic and that solving them required much more than a quick turn of the coaching wrench. Our problems went much deeper than schemes and recruiting.

With all of this in mind my personal opinion was/is that the potential rewards of this move far outweighed the risks involved. As a matter of fact I considered it a no brainer. I knew that it would take a few years(2-3) to truly install all of the foundational and cultural aspects that were required and that in itself was worth much more than our initial investment.

In terms of the actual GameDay coaching and schematics that are chosen I also knew that there would most likely be a good deal of trial and error at the beginning. We have certainly hired a great staff but sometimes it may take a few tweeks to settle in on the ideal staff for this particular situation so I would expect some minor adjustments there after the 1st year. Likewise there was always the distinct possibility that Mario would have to experience a "come to Jesus" moment where he would learn the difficult lesson of relinquishing some control over offensive philosophy for the good of the program. We may indeed be at that juncture now or maybe not but at some point Mario will have to make a decision on what is more important. His preferred conservative slow down play in a phone booth style of offense or something that is more compatible for the talent in our backyard. I sincerely believe that there is far too much at stake for Mario to just stubbornly double down on something that is clearly not a fit for who we are as a program. The emphasis on physicality at the LOS and in general on both sides of the ball with a powerful and effective rushing attack are crucial to the development of a championship program. Mario just cannot lose sight of the bigger picture, the offensive nature of the current game and the important role an efficient yet explosive passing attack plays in that context.

To sum it up I'm not sitting here pining over Lane Kiffin or anyone else for that matter because this program needed someone to address and successfully fix the foundational problems alluded to above. Mario Cristobal was the obvious choice to do exactly that. Although I certainly realize that there are shortcomings that will drive any true and passionate fan crazy I'm willing to live with them for the reasons that I've stated. Even if Mario does not deliver a Championship and we end up parting ways I believe that the program will be in excellent shape in terms of infrastructure and level of talent on the rooster for the next coach whoever he might be. In that case the biggest thing the new coach should have to worry about would be what types of schemes he plans to implement.
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I am as far from Mope as you can get and I believe we have the right guy, but I will complain about the offense, and not just for the reason you posted saying "something more compatible to the talent in our backyard". I am sorry but as shown last year even with Gattis making the CFP, they got completely b!tchslapped once they ran into a sound defense. That one sided run heavy offense is never going to win it all. Sure it may win 9-10 a year, but you NEED to be more well rounded and able to adapt and adjust and be far more than one dimensional. Has nothing to do with our local talent, it is the game of football in its current state. I have yet to see a sign Gattis can actually do that. To be honest, as far as recruiting goes, I would love to see us reach far outside of just our backyard for once!!
 
Zombie-Cane said:
I am as far from Mope as you can get and I believe we have the right guy, but I will complain about the offense, and not just for the reason you posted saying "something more compatible to the talent in our backyard". I am sorry but as shown last year even with Gattis making the CFP, they got completely b!tchslapped once they ran into a sound defense. That one sided run heavy offense is never going to win it all. Sure it may win 9-10 a year, but you NEED to be more well rounded and able to adapt and adjust and be far more than one dimensional. Has nothing to do with our local talent, it is the game of football in its current state. I have yet to see a sign Gattis can actually do that. To be honest, as far as recruiting goes, I would love to see us reach far outside of just our backyard for once!!
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Interesting since I thought I had addressed all of your points because I do agree. Could have been an oversight on my part or maybe I failed to sufficiently articulate my views on the above.

As far as the whole mope or slurper thing goes. I don't get into any of that so you don't need to explain yourself to me. Your opinion whatever it may be will do just fine.
 
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