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HASKINS AND MURRAY.....

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hydro66 said:
\iI totally understand, im with you on that. Miami created a path for other teams. My point was just saying that our team needs to just go back to basics. I invite anything that can improve the team. its all good, but im an old fashion type that what works in the past will work in the present.
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Brilliant!!!! We should bring back the Notre Dame Box!!! It worked so well in the 1910s that it will surely work in the modern era!
 
For_The_U said:
Call me crazy, I guess, but I too don't think Murray will end up being a strong NFL QB. Only time will tell.
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I think he will be good, Lamar Jackson is his floor he's definitely gonna struggle early on but I think he has enough confidence in his ability to stay the course until he catches up to speed Miami should definitely draft him if he comes there way.
 
For his style of play. Being short helps Kyler Murray becuase its hard for the defense to see him when he takes off. Biggest concern is that NFL defense do such a great job of consistently forcing these scrambling type QBs to beat them from the pocket. For long term success with that style they need a crazy innovative offense scheme to win. Are the dolphins committed to running that type of offense with Kyler Murray?
 
RomeoJunior said:
Just so there's no confusion...

Tale of the tape:

...................................Height...................Weight.............Hand................. Arm

Russell WIlson: ..5-10 5/8...................... 202................10 1/4......................31

Kyler Murray: .....5-10 1/8.......................207..................9 1/2.......................28 1/2
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I’m hella confused after this...what’s your point lol
 
D RevLee said:
For one, Dak is not a pocket passer. He is a pass first dual-threat QB. Secondly, I said nothing about the NFL. I said pocket passers are dead in CFB unless u land a generational talent like Trevor Lawrence that comes around every 5-10 years. Also Cam Newton really began the era of dual-threat QBs and shower u can win a national championship with one. It's only a matter of time before dual-threat QBs are the majority in the NFL. But hey, thanks for your input though.
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Cam was not the 1st Dual threat QB to win. And dual threat QBS in college football is not a new thing. It’s just the offensive systems have changed to where their athleticism is highlighted and used more effectively. The spread offense or version of it are the new go to Philosophy.

Next Cam was not the 1st dual threat qb who proved u can win that way. You had ward, Vick, young, mcnabb, Ronald curry, Reggie Collier, Kordell Stewart, Tim Tebow, tee Martin. Those are just names off the top of my head. No not all of them won nattys. But they were **** well good enough to be the Qb on title teams.

Now the nfl is going to have to adapt its game to fit the QBs colleges are producing now. But running/dual threat Qb success in college is nothing new
 
Canesfan1899 said:
That’s crazy man. The kids a winner with production and skills to match.
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Exactly. He’s a 1st round talent at the qb position. His height will be an adjustment no doubt. But he’s a better passer that many of the “prototypes” that’s gone in the 1st round years prior. If a team has the schem fit cardinals and need fit then they should take him. Too me it’s him or Haskins as the top QBs
 
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305to954 said:
Cam was not the 1st Dual threat QB to win. And dual threat QBS in college football is not a new thing. It’s just the offensive systems have changed to where their athleticism is highlighted and used more effectively. The spread offense or version of it are the new go to Philosophy.

Next Cam was not the 1st dual threat qb who proved u can win that way. You had ward, Vick, young, mcnabb, Ronald curry, Reggie Collier, Kordell Stewart, Tim Tebow, tee Martin. Those are just names off the top of my head. No not all of them won nattys. But they were **** well good enough to be the Qb on title teams.

Now the nfl is going to have to adapt its game to fit the QBs colleges are producing now. But running/dual threat Qb success in college is nothing new
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If u read my statement I said Cam really began the era of dual-threat QBs, which he did. Of course there were dual-threat QBs before him, everyone knows that, but none that made an impact like Cam and started a trend in CFB.
 
BeachCanes said:
You are silly if you don't think Kyler Murray is NFL material. If Russel Wilson can do it, so can Kyler who has a better arm and way more athletic.

Your porst is literally the opposite of the current trend which is swaying to dual threat. Even the elite "pocket passers" like Lawrence and Herbert can move extremely well.
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That “current” trend has been the talk of the NFL since the 90’s....yet the greatest QB’s have always been pocket passers.

Nothing new about running QB’s.
 
D RevLee said:
If u read my statement I said Cam really began the era of dual-threat QBs, which he did. Of course there were dual-threat QBs before him, everyone knows that, but none that made an impact like Cam and started a trend in CFB.
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But I read it..and concluded that no, Cam did not start the trend of dual threat QBS. It was already present in college football years before cam. Cam is a generational physical specimen as a athlete. The only trend is the way offensive philosophies have morphed into more spread usage.
 
I don't believe either will be difference makers in the league. Most likely my Giants will draft Haskins and I will have to watch it first hand.
 
Liberty City El said:




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The guys on PFF were basically trying to gauge what Haskins real value is in comparison to last year and thought Haskins - as a prospect - was very similar to Josh Rosen. Incredible arm talent - unreal at times, goes ghost for stretches in games...not much in regard to movement skills.

I don't care what the Giants are saying, but they'd be fools to not take Haskins at 6.

re: your take that you'd take this years crop over last years...

I'll say this...Baker is the best QB of the bunch. He can win a Super Bowl. He can lead the league in passing. He'll win MVPs. Just by that, I'd take last year's class. Murray is the second best QB.
 
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