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HASKINS AND MURRAY.....

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BeachCanes said:
You are silly if you don't think Kyler Murray is NFL material. If Russel Wilson can do it, so can Kyler who has a better arm and way more athletic.

Your porst is literally the opposite of the current trend which is swaying to dual threat. Even the elite "pocket passers" like Lawrence and Herbert can move extremely well.
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Wilson is built like a LB with huge hands and his feet are use mostly to set up a pass. Murray seems thin and frail. Granted the fact that QBs are treated like cheerleaders who can’t be hit today, dual threat is on the ascendancy but these short is not the same as small. Murray is small. If you are going to start playing QBs like him, you need to draft several because they will not last. Can’t invest 1st roundpciks and money on QBs that make a living running the football.
 
I’m not saying Kyler Murray will be great NFL QB, but I will say that you would have to be insane to write him off as though he has no chance.
 
If a pro team adjusts to the strength 💪 of those two they could have a good career.wilson,McNabb and Moon were good qbs because the coaches adjust to those strengths and not force the qb to adapt to the coaches style.
 
Liberty City El said:
Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock & Kyler Murray will be very good QB's in the NFL imo.

But the disrespect of Haskins from people who cover the draft is both typical & sad. The kid was historic throwing for 4,831yds 50TD's 8INT's at 70%cmp.

He's a pure pocket passer with a great arm & is as equally as accurate as Baker Mayfield was at Oklahoma.

Imo I'd take Haskins, Lock & Murray over Mayfield, Darnold & Allen from last year's draft.

Drew Lock has special arm talent, in the right offensive system he could have a really bright future in the league.
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Agreed El, I’m praying, hoping, begging Haskins either falls to my Jags or we go up and snag him. He’s going to be the real deal QB for years to come. As to Murray he’s going to be extremely good as well, he just needs to go to the right team that will take advantage of his elite athleticism and passing ability and not attempt to square peg him into a round hole. Think what Seattle has done with Russell as an excellent example of not only how Kyle could fair in the league but as well the proper offense to naturally create throwing lanes, get him out in space, and allow him to use those after burners he’s got for legs.
 
Gatorhater said:
Wilson is built like a LB with huge hands and his feet are use mostly to set up a pass. Murray seems thin and frail. Granted the fact that QBs are treated like cheerleaders who can’t be hit today, dual threat is on the ascendancy but these short is not the same as small. Murray is small. If you are going to start playing QBs like him, you need to draft several because they will not last. Can’t invest 1st roundpciks and money on QBs that make a living running the football.
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Guy posted at 5’9” and an 1/8th and weighed in at 207lbs, heavier than Russell Wilson at his combine.
 
Liberty City El said:
Mitchell Trubisky at UNC was a 1 season starter & he's done well in the league because he's in the right system that utilizes his strengths.

Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Ryan Tanehill were only starters for 2 seasons in college. Ultimately it just boils down to what team you go to & how the OC decides to build the offense around you.

Where OC's in the NFL get in trouble is when they try to force QB's into a system that doesn't suit their strengths. The reason why Goff, Mahomes & Wentz had such early success is because their HC/OC's adapted the offense to fit around what those guys do best & took a lot of the same concepts they ran in college using it in the pro's. Same thing with Baker Mayfield, look how much better he played under Freddie Kitchens than he did under Hue Jackson/Todd Haley.
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No doubt system is a big part but so is readiness. That may be less of an issue these days considering how much these QBS are throwing in general but my point remains. Of the guys you mention, none of them fit my criteria. I don’t know if there’s ever been a kid who left college as a RSSO and a starter one year and has had success. The list of guys who have fit this criteria have been all busts. The guys you mentioned were either successful multi year starters or had an extra year in college. I think the one closest to Haskins would be Trubisky. Darnold and Winston both had very a good RSFR/RSSO seasons and taneyhill is also a decent comp but he sucks lol. Anyway, we’ll see with Haskins.
 
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CaneDog66 said:
Guy posted at 5’9” and an 1/8th and weighed in at 207lbs, heavier than Russell Wilson at his combine.
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Good luck with him. He is not Russel Wilson. Remember Wilson was a starter who then became a grad transfer because of new HC wanting a different type of QB. Then in his final year was superb. Russell is a true package who uses his feet to pass not run. On top of that he came as like a 3rd round bargain.

Now we are talking 1st pick in the draft. Who was the super fantastic do everything QB Washington mortgaged everything to get a few years ago? Something like 3 first round picks and for what, one hit and can we even remember his name? The kid is going to go high and get rich. I am happy for him.
 
Liberty City El said:
Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock & Kyler Murray will be very good QB's in the NFL imo.

But the disrespect of Haskins from people who cover the draft is both typical & sad. The kid was historic throwing for 4,831yds 50TD's 8INT's at 70%cmp.

He's a pure pocket passer with a great arm & is as equally as accurate as Baker Mayfield was at Oklahoma.

Imo I'd take Haskins, Lock & Murray over Mayfield, Darnold & Allen from last year's draft.

Drew Lock has special arm talent, in the right offensive system he could have a really bright future in the league.
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I get a kick out of people calling Haskins a running QB. Dude can move if he has to but was not looking to run much at all as characterized by the stats you posted.
 
Gatorhater said:
Good luck with him. He is not Russel Wilson. Remember Wilson was a starter who then became a grad transfer because of new HC wanting a different type of QB. Then in his final year was superb. Russell is a true package who uses his feet to pass not run. On top of that he came as like a 3rd round bargain.

Now we are talking 1st pick in the draft. Who was the super fantastic do everything QB Washington mortgaged everything to get a few years ago? Something like 3 first round picks and for what, one hit and can we even remember his name? The kid is going to go high and get rich. I am happy for him.
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How many big hits did Murray take last year? Kid knows how to get out of bounds to avoid the big hit. RG3 never figured that **** out and that's why he fizzled out.
 
Canesfan1899 said:
How many big hits did Murray take last year? Kid knows how to get out of bounds to avoid the big hit. RG3 never figured that **** out and that's why he fizzled out.
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RG3 also has a bad attitude and refused to play to his talents and instead, wanted to be a drop back qb.
 
Canesfan1899 said:
How many big hits did Murray take last year? Kid knows how to get out of bounds to avoid the big hit. RG3 never figured that **** out and that's why he fizzled out.
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Hey, he’s not a Cane so I don’t really care, but I wish the kid well. Getting out of bounds then to really **** off the big mean guys chasing him, so he better makes sure they don’t get chance to make up for it.
 
Liberty City El said:
Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock & Kyler Murray will be very good QB's in the NFL imo.

But the disrespect of Haskins from people who cover the draft is both typical & sad. The kid was historic throwing for 4,831yds 50TD's 8INT's at 70%cmp.

He's a pure pocket passer with a great arm & is as equally as accurate as Baker Mayfield was at Oklahoma.

Imo I'd take Haskins, Lock & Murray over Mayfield, Darnold & Allen from last year's draft.

Drew Lock has special arm talent, in the right offensive system he could have a really bright future in the league.
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Lock will be trash.
Haskins will be in the league average of starters. He'll be very solid.
Murray will be legit...Top 12 type QB.
 
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Gatorhater said:
Hey, he’s not a Cane so I don’t really care, but I wish the kid well. Getting out of bounds then to really **** off the big mean guys chasing him, so he better makes sure they don’t get chance to make up for it.
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I understand he's not a Cane just pointing out that I think he's different than RG3. Wilson is the same type of athlete and doesn't take a lot of huge hits either. In this day and age the QB needs to know how/when to get down or out of bounds.
 
AUcane said:
RG3 also has a bad attitude and refused to play to his talents and instead, wanted to be a drop back qb.
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They also changed to a west coast system after Shanahan left. He never learned the footwork and drops needed to throw in rhythm. He was taking 3 step drops when it was supposed to be 5 steps, that's just poor preparation and development.
 
Canesfan1899 said:
They also changed to a west coast system after Shanahan left. He never learned the footwork and drops needed to throw in rhythm. He was taking 3 step drops when it was supposed to be 5 steps, that's just poor preparation and development.
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I think underlying all that was his refusal to do read/zone stuff. And his dad was a bad influence. He was also enabled by his owner.
 
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