Has UCF passed us as a program?

[caneinpsl]

O Leary is the type of hire Miami needs to make an overlooked retread that is a coaching boss, and unlike O Leary there's plenty out there that don't have blemishes that snooty Miami would be turned off by

Who comes to mind?? I think one thing we all would agree on is that a Larranga type (meaning a guy who can coach as well as anybody) for football would do wonders at UM. Get a guy like that, and the recruiting will take care of itself. O Leary was the only name that came to mind for me, and like you said, it's hard to envision the powers that be in Coral Gables looking past his past.

 

[caneaddict]

O Leary is the type of hire Miami needs to make an overlooked retread that is a coaching boss, and unlike O Leary there's plenty out there that don't have blemishes that snooty Miami would be turned off by

Who comes to mind?? I think one thing we all would agree on is that a Larranga type (meaning a guy who can coach as well as anybody) for football would do wonders at UM. Get a guy like that, and the recruiting will take care of itself. O Leary was the only name that came to mind for me, and like you said, it's hard to envision the powers that be in Coral Gables looking past his past.

Saw this guy the other day on tv and think he would kill it here, Eric Mangini

 

[Era66]

The question should be what half *** program has not passed UM by. This is a slow painful death.

 

[pumbaa]

Sounds like what ND fans said about us in the early 90's. Not saying that UCF will ever do what UM did from 1980-2004, but you can only properly answer the OP's question if you give it a frame of reference. ALl time you are right. No way UCF holds a candle to UM. But they have been a better program than us for an entire decade. That's not "short term".

They haven't been a better program than us for an entire decade.

They were 0-11 in 2004, and they've had 3 other sub-.500 seasons over the past decade. We've had one sub-.500 season over that time. Basically, at MOST, they were "better than us" based on record alone for 5 out of 10 seasons.

Of course, that totally ignores the fact that they're in a crappier conference and play a softer schedule year in and year out, and it igonres the fact that we've beaten them head to head in the two meetings we've had over the last decade.

I posted our respective records over the last decade. They have been more successful the last decade. With 3 bowl wins to our one.

And I posted the fact that they have 4 losing seasons to our one over the last decade...and that they play in a ****tier conference.

What's you point?

Obviously they've had higher highs and lower lows than we have. But just because they have a slighlty better winningt pctg over the course of a decade does not mean that they're a better program.

That was my whole point WRT comparing Northern Illinois to Notre Dame. Same thing--NIU has had more wins over the past few years than ND has had. Does that mean that NIU has eclipsed ND as a program?

They don't have a slightly better win %. It's over 5%. They've played in **** conferences, but the Coastal is only incrementally better. NIU and ND have much more similar records, and ND has actually outperformed NIU, and in more relevant Bowl games. In fact ND gets those more relevant bowl games in part because they are on a whole different level "Program" wise. You ask my point. Look high enough above and I was referring to "on the field" I specifically said include complete history and all bets are off. Look at the recent programs (10 years back) and we are taking a back seat to UCF on the field. And it's not like we outdraw them, or out spend them on facilities or coaches by any significant margin. We are only more relevant in the grand sceme, because of our history and associated popularity. ND is more relevant not only because of their historical success, but because of how much they invest in their program on an ongoing basis.

They are 21-4 in their last 25 and we are 15-10 in our last 25. They've also won their conference championship and had players drafted in the first round. UM, not so much.

Look at their schedule. Record means nothing when every game is against a garbage team. We'd be undefeated in that conference. The ACC isn't amazing, but it's a lot better than the AAC and our OOC schedule is always much tougher.

Their schedule? Look at ours UVA, Pitt, Ark St, FamU, Cincy. We arent exactly blowing doors off on SOS. But my point is exactly what Caneispl is saying currently they are ahead of us. They spend more, are spending more, making waves, and doing it right winning bowls, winning big games UL, Baylor, and so on, winning BCS bowls, putting guys in the draft 1st round. In the last 5-6 years they have moved past us. The ACC Coastal isn't some behemoth that needs a giant slayer. And I have said it earlier in this thread, they don't own us overal based on Dynasty or Name, or anything like that. I am saying currently and in recent history they have passed us by. Now we may make moves and be what we know as Hurricanes football but until then we are not what our Helemets say. I will say it again alos if they played us right now they would beat us.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

No chance, not yet at least. They got lucky a few years with Borttles. They play a JOKE of a schdule and they are currently after winning a conference championship in 80th place in recruiting

They won 11 games in 2010 with a true freshman J. Godfrey at qb... They beat UGA in a bowl game... Bortles just became a starter in 2012... O'lesary has been building something for a while... Not just with Bortles...

 

[CanesAreAble]

We could literally reverse the trend in one year if we hired someone like Butch.

ONE YEAR

 

[4Canes]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A national title at UCF? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have an idea what it takes to win a national title? Good grief. And you're a MOD?!?!*

 

[DomWorld_Peace]

They've had a recent 1st round pick. They've won a couple conference titles. They've played in a BCS game.

What have we done?

 

[The Franchise]

O Leary is the type of hire Miami needs to make an overlooked retread that is a coaching boss, and unlike O Leary there's plenty out there that don't have blemishes that snooty Miami would be turned off by

O'Liar is their version of Coach Larranaga. A grizzled vet who can flat out coach the game.

 

[caneinpsl]

O Leary is the type of hire Miami needs to make an overlooked retread that is a coaching boss, and unlike O Leary there's plenty out there that don't have blemishes that snooty Miami would be turned off by

O'Liar is their version of Coach Larranaga. A grizzled vet who can flat out coach the game.

We should have hired the guy years ago. Assuming we had a decision maker with actual vision handling the football hires. Instead we went for image. And boy doesn't the program have a great image now??!! 6-7 and last in the Coastal baby!

 

[drifters1234]

They've clearly passed us on success over the last several years.

But as a program, no. Until they are in one of the big conferences, they can't permanently pass us, because of the money.

 

[luke137]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A coach in his fourth year goes 6-6 and loses his last 3 games of the year, two of them by double digits is not only retained but given a vote of confidence...Do you know how ridiculous THAT sounds???

 

[SFbayCane]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A national title at UCF? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have an idea what it takes to win a national title? Good grief. And you're a MOD?!?!*

I remember people saying the same thing when Howard Schnellenburger said that to the media in 1979. UCF is much further along now than UM was in 79.

 

[hoops156]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A national title at UCF? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have an idea what it takes to win a national title? Good grief. And you're a MOD?!?!*

I remember people saying the same thing when Howard Schnellenburger said that to the media in 1979. UCF is much further along now than UM was in 79.

Aren't you an fsu fan?

 

[SFbayCane]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A national title at UCF? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have an idea what it takes to win a national title? Good grief. And you're a MOD?!?!*

I remember people saying the same thing when Howard Schnellenburger said that to the media in 1979. UCF is much further along now than UM was in 79.

Aren't you an fsu fan?

When did you first attend a UM game?

 

[4Canes]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A national title at UCF? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have an idea what it takes to win a national title? Good grief. And you're a MOD?!?!*

I remember people saying the same thing when Howard Schnellenburger said that to the media in 1979. UCF is much further along now than UM was in 79.

Fair statement, but it also took some minor miracles for Miami to win the first one and it was a completely different landscape in CFB then than now.
When schools like Michigan, ND and Oregon can't win a title I have zero expectations that UCF ever could.

 

[4Canes]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A coach in his fourth year goes 6-6 and loses his last 3 games of the year, two of them by double digits is not only retained but given a vote of confidence...Do you know how ridiculous THAT sounds???

Way to stay on topic.

 

[SFbayCane]

I'll say this: O'Leary is going to retire in like 2 years. UCF is one splash hire away from competing for a national championship. If they get one national title, I have no doubt they will supplant UM as an elite power in CFB.

a national title, at UCF, do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have any idea what it takes to win a national title, good grief, and you're a MOD?!?!

A national title at UCF? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you have an idea what it takes to win a national title? Good grief. And you're a MOD?!?!*

I remember people saying the same thing when Howard Schnellenburger said that to the media in 1979. UCF is much further along now than UM was in 79.

Fair statement, but it also took some minor miracles for Miami to win the first one and it was a completely different landscape in CFB then than now.
When schools like Michigan, ND and Oregon can't win a title I have zero expectations that UCF ever could.

UCF is strategically located in a better place than the three schools you listed above. Oregon relies on socal recruiting. Michigan and ND need to rely on landing skill position players from southern states and linemen from all over the midwest. UCF has all the talent they need to win a title within a 150 mile radius of their brand new stadium.

 

[Cane18]

Al Golden is not their coach...so yes. They have passed us.

If Al Golden was their coach, they would suck and not even be in the conversation.