Grading Coach Golden

Slow down! LOL

My point is, if he's 6-6, it doesn't mean he can't be the guy to make UM elite ... And even going 12-0 won't mean he is.

Coker has a national title, and so does Gene Chizik. So, one elite season means nothing.

And playing in the ACC should mean a 10 win season, every year. So, 9 wins in 2014 will be a disappointment. Use Duke and the D to protect your new QB in 2014. Coaching matters most when you don't have studs all over the field.

Dandycane, I dont think we meant make or break as far as him being fired. (At least I didnt). Make or Break in a sense that his tenure could go either way here. Is he gonna be a career 7-9 win guy? Or is he gonna take that next step? I dont care what anybody says..The competition aint getting any worse. FSU/FLA are already reloading yearly and are ready to bust heads. We talk about the ACC being down EVERY YEAR and yet we still end up losing 2-3 games in the conference. These next two years is **** near now or never as far as becoming relevant again and not having our games broadcasted on ESPNU or FoxSportsNet. We got the talent. Now lets put it all together and see what we got.

I don't agree that his tenure will be decided either way, based on this year. I think the next few years will be the indicator ... But not 2013, alone. 7-5 or 6-6 will suck, and we should all question him. But "make or break" means him failing to win the ACC next year means he never will, or is not the guy to lead Miami ... And I just don't put that much significance on 2013. I'll give him a full 5 years before making my call ... Give him a full team of "his" guys, and his system. If he's 6-6 or 7-5 for the next 2 years ... That's "break". Because that's a pattern with his own guys and system in place.

And on the other side ... Even if he wins 10 or 11 games this season, I'll still wait to see if he can maintain in 2014 before making a conclusion ... So, for me ... 2014 is make or break. 2013 is just another year in the process and evaluation ... Good or bad.

jesus ****ing christ.

So, if he wins 10 or 11 games this year, then only gets 9 the following season with Ryan Williams or a freshman QB, Golden should be fired? We are STILL re-building. It isn't a hard concept. Al Golden is re-building this god**** thing from the ground up, and that takes ****ing time. If he gets 10+ wins next season and avoids a bull**** loss to the likes of UVA, USF or Duke, then he should absolutely be given 2-3 more years alone unless the team totally implodes the following season.

This program is in a re-building stage that will take 5-7 seasons to come full circle. We got A.) skull ****ed by back to back coaches, which entirely screwed some connections in SFLA recruiting, and also mouth ****ed our roster, and B.) the NCAA is coming at us with AK47's, tanks and RPG's, even though they have yet to hit their target. This isn't a Michigan re-build where a change of coach was needed to steer the ship back in the right direction. We had to literally re-pair most of the god**** ship just so we could keep it afloat, and now we are in the works of fixing everything else so we can go this **** steaming into the god**** islands.

Al Golden appears to be the man for the long haul. But if he isn't, then I thank him for preventing this program from going under. He has led us through NCAA bull****, is re-pairing the roster year by year (I don't think people to this day realize how god ****ing awful our roster was last season because of corch Shannon.) and has totally wiped out the lazy, self-entitled bull**** that ran wild within this football program for 5+ **** years.

Look at tom coughlin as a good example, he could have early up and downs years at UM as long as the recruiting is staying up to par and fencing SFLA by year 5 or 6 he should be winning every season. the 1st good sign we wil see is when he beats UF, that right there tells me he can coach with the big dogs because UF can play with anyone in the SEC IMO that team destroyed fsu who murdered us based on depth. So beating them says if they can compete in the almighty SEC then we can beat anyone.
 
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We all expect better results in 2013 based on the job Al has done thus far. Winning the ACC is an attainable goal, but I'll be pretty happy with 10 wins in any fashion. That would be a first for Al, a first for us since 2003, and it would mean we're progressing towards bigger/better things.

1) 10 wins
2) Win the Coastal
3) ACC Champs

Any one of those three should be considered a success.

Always taking a subtle shot at coach in your posts.

If Morris is healthy, I think we can do 1 and 2.

That wasn't meant as a shot at Goldens. It happens to be a fact, and it would be a nice accomplishment for him.
 
We all expect better results in 2013 based on the job Al has done thus far. Winning the ACC is an attainable goal, but I'll be pretty happy with 10 wins in any fashion. That would be a first for Al, a first for us since 2003, and it would mean we're progressing towards bigger/better things.

1) 10 wins
2) Win the Coastal
3) ACC Champs

Any one of those three should be considered a success.

Always taking a subtle shot at coach in your posts.

If Morris is healthy, I think we can do 1 and 2.

That wasn't meant as a shot at Goldens. It happens to be a fact, and it would be a nice accomplishment for him.

It is true, just a random fact.

IMO, 2 and 3 are more important than 1. 2 and 3 would likely mean we end up with 10 games but it means something to win the conference, something we never have done. We have been to bowl games recently, but it is important to get to BCS games.


Side note: Too me it is similar to pitchers, some pitchers have high ERAs but are involved in a lot of decisions, so their record may be **** but their personal stats are not or vice versa.

In 2004, Randy Johnson went 16-14 (no great record) but he had an ERA of 2.60, 290 Ks and finished 2nd in CY Young (should have finished first).
 
There are some interesting coaches out there (stats wise), when give their first REAL HC job (BCS):

Harbaugh @ Stanford: 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 and 12-1

Saban @ MSU: 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2

Brown @ UNC: 1-10, 1-10, 6-4-1, 7-4, 9-3, 10-3, 8-4, 7-5, 10-2, 10-2, 10-1

My point is that I never thought Al was the guy that would go in there and fix the ship in 1-2 years (Like Saban at Bama or Pete Carroll at USC), I thought it would take him time to have success and build the program his way. Some coaches just take some time to adjust. I think towards the end of this year, people will have a better opinion on Al's chances of success.
 
B+, better conditioned, fewer turnovers, higher team football IQ overall.
Now it's time to beat some teams they're not supposed to beat and handle the teams they should handle.
Beating both FSU and UF, who are really average on paper would be huge IMO.
 
Slow down! LOL

My point is, if he's 6-6, it doesn't mean he can't be the guy to make UM elite ... And even going 12-0 won't mean he is.

Coker has a national title, and so does Gene Chizik. So, one elite season means nothing.

And playing in the ACC should mean a 10 win season, every year. So, 9 wins in 2014 will be a disappointment. Use Duke and the D to protect your new QB in 2014. Coaching matters most when you don't have studs all over the field.

Dandycane, I dont think we meant make or break as far as him being fired. (At least I didnt). Make or Break in a sense that his tenure could go either way here. Is he gonna be a career 7-9 win guy? Or is he gonna take that next step? I dont care what anybody says..The competition aint getting any worse. FSU/FLA are already reloading yearly and are ready to bust heads. We talk about the ACC being down EVERY YEAR and yet we still end up losing 2-3 games in the conference. These next two years is **** near now or never as far as becoming relevant again and not having our games broadcasted on ESPNU or FoxSportsNet. We got the talent. Now lets put it all together and see what we got.

I don't agree that his tenure will be decided either way, based on this year. I think the next few years will be the indicator ... But not 2013, alone. 7-5 or 6-6 will suck, and we should all question him. But "make or break" means him failing to win the ACC next year means he never will, or is not the guy to lead Miami ... And I just don't put that much significance on 2013. I'll give him a full 5 years before making my call ... Give him a full team of "his" guys, and his system. If he's 6-6 or 7-5 for the next 2 years ... That's "break". Because that's a pattern with his own guys and system in place.

And on the other side ... Even if he wins 10 or 11 games this season, I'll still wait to see if he can maintain in 2014 before making a conclusion ... So, for me ... 2014 is make or break. 2013 is just another year in the process and evaluation ... Good or bad.

jesus ****ing christ.

So, if he wins 10 or 11 games this year, then only gets 9 the following season with Ryan Williams or a freshman QB, Golden should be fired? We are STILL re-building. It isn't a hard concept. Al Golden is re-building this god**** thing from the ground up, and that takes ****ing time. If he gets 10+ wins next season and avoids a bull**** loss to the likes of UVA, USF or Duke, then he should absolutely be given 2-3 more years alone unless the team totally implodes the following season.

This program is in a re-building stage that will take 5-7 seasons to come full circle. We got A.) skull ****ed by back to back coaches, which entirely screwed some connections in SFLA recruiting, and also mouth ****ed our roster, and B.) the NCAA is coming at us with AK47's, tanks and RPG's, even though they have yet to hit their target. This isn't a Michigan re-build where a change of coach was needed to steer the ship back in the right direction. We had to literally re-pair most of the god**** ship just so we could keep it afloat, and now we are in the works of fixing everything else so we can go this **** steaming into the god**** islands.

Al Golden appears to be the man for the long haul. But if he isn't, then I thank him for preventing this program from going under. He has led us through NCAA bull****, is re-pairing the roster year by year (I don't think people to this day realize how god ****ing awful our roster was last season because of corch Shannon.) and has totally wiped out the lazy, self-entitled bull**** that ran wild within this football program for 5+ **** years.

Look at tom coughlin as a good example, he could have early up and downs years at UM as long as the recruiting is staying up to par and fencing SFLA by year 5 or 6 he should be winning every season. the 1st good sign we wil see is when he beats UF, that right there tells me he can coach with the big dogs because UF can play with anyone in the SEC IMO that team destroyed fsu who murdered us based on depth. So beating them says if they can compete in the almighty SEC then we can beat anyone.

So using your theory, if we beat UF then we should go undefeated.
Truth of the matter is Al can beat UF and then lose to VT and some other ACC teams just as likely as he can lose to UF and win out the ACC. Neither outcome would be give any clearer indication then the other of how good Al is as a coach. This team still has gaps that can be exposed by the strengths of opponents.
I for one think we match up favorably with UF then we would to be against a more pass happy spread offense.
 
There are some interesting coaches out there (stats wise), when give their first REAL HC job (BCS):

Harbaugh @ Stanford: 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 and 12-1

Saban @ MSU: 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2

Brown @ UNC: 1-10, 1-10, 6-4-1, 7-4, 9-3, 10-3, 8-4, 7-5, 10-2, 10-2, 10-1

My point is that I never thought Al was the guy that would go in there and fix the ship in 1-2 years (Like Saban at Bama or Pete Carroll at USC), I thought it would take him time to have success and build the program his way. Some coaches just take some time to adjust. I think towards the end of this year, people will have a better opinion on Al's chances of success.

You also have to take into account the situations a coach like Saban took over.
Shula had Bama on the up with some good young talent. Plus Bama has the resources and support to overcome any challenges quicker than a Miami could.
Golden took over and has tried to undue 8+ years of ineptness. It will take time.
 
There are some interesting coaches out there (stats wise), when give their first REAL HC job (BCS):

Harbaugh @ Stanford: 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 and 12-1

Saban @ MSU: 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2

Brown @ UNC: 1-10, 1-10, 6-4-1, 7-4, 9-3, 10-3, 8-4, 7-5, 10-2, 10-2, 10-1

My point is that I never thought Al was the guy that would go in there and fix the ship in 1-2 years (Like Saban at Bama or Pete Carroll at USC), I thought it would take him time to have success and build the program his way. Some coaches just take some time to adjust. I think towards the end of this year, people will have a better opinion on Al's chances of success.

You also have to take into account the situations a coach like Saban took over.
Shula had Bama on the up with some good young talent. Plus Bama has the resources and support to overcome any challenges quicker than a Miami could.
Golden took over and has tried to undue 8+ years of ineptness. It will take time.

That is Saban at Michigan State, not Bama.

Bama was also Saban's 4th Big Job (MSU, LSU, Dolphins and Bama) and a 55 year old man with 12+ years of HC experience.
 
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There are some interesting coaches out there (stats wise), when give their first REAL HC job (BCS):

Harbaugh @ Stanford: 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 and 12-1

Saban @ MSU: 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2

Brown @ UNC: 1-10, 1-10, 6-4-1, 7-4, 9-3, 10-3, 8-4, 7-5, 10-2, 10-2, 10-1

My point is that I never thought Al was the guy that would go in there and fix the ship in 1-2 years (Like Saban at Bama or Pete Carroll at USC), I thought it would take him time to have success and build the program his way. Some coaches just take some time to adjust. I think towards the end of this year, people will have a better opinion on Al's chances of success.

You also have to take into account the situations a coach like Saban took over.
Shula had Bama on the up with some good young talent. Plus Bama has the resources and support to overcome any challenges quicker than a Miami could.
Golden took over and has tried to undue 8+ years of ineptness. It will take time.

That is Saban at Michigan State, not Bama.

Bama was also Saban's 4th Big Job (MSU, LSU, Dolphins and Bama) and a 55 year old man with 12+ years of HC experience.
Yeah I was responding to your point about Saban turning Bama around in 2 years.
And agree about Saban. He won his 1st MNC his 10th year as a HC. Golden is heading into his 8th.
 
There are some interesting coaches out there (stats wise), when give their first REAL HC job (BCS):

Harbaugh @ Stanford: 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 and 12-1

Saban @ MSU: 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2

Brown @ UNC: 1-10, 1-10, 6-4-1, 7-4, 9-3, 10-3, 8-4, 7-5, 10-2, 10-2, 10-1

My point is that I never thought Al was the guy that would go in there and fix the ship in 1-2 years (Like Saban at Bama or Pete Carroll at USC), I thought it would take him time to have success and build the program his way. Some coaches just take some time to adjust. I think towards the end of this year, people will have a better opinion on Al's chances of success.

You also have to take into account the situations a coach like Saban took over.
Shula had Bama on the up with some good young talent. Plus Bama has the resources and support to overcome any challenges quicker than a Miami could.
Golden took over and has tried to undue 8+ years of ineptness. It will take time.

That is Saban at Michigan State, not Bama.

Bama was also Saban's 4th Big Job (MSU, LSU, Dolphins and Bama) and a 55 year old man with 12+ years of HC experience.
Yeah I was responding to your point about Saban turning Bama around in 2 years.
And agree about Saban. He won his 1st MNC his 10th year as a HC. Golden is heading into his 8th.

My bad then.
 
I know one thing for sure. If he doesn't sign Ermon Lane he gets an F- and needs to be fired immediately.
 
I know one thing for sure. If he doesn't sign Ermon Lane he gets an F- and needs to be fired immediately.

Agreed. I don't care if the team is undefeated and wins the national championship, if he doesn't sign Ermon Lane, he is straight trash and they will need to get the hook for him.
 
I know one thing for sure. If he doesn't sign Ermon Lane he gets an F- and needs to be fired immediately.

Agreed. I don't care if the team is undefeated and wins the national championship, if he doesn't sign Ermon Lane, he is straight trash and they will need to get the hook for him.

Al will be a laughingstock if he doesn't sign Lane. No one would be able to take him seriously if he can't pull Lane. It would be the end of Hurricanes football if he is allowed to continue after such a debacle regardless of what the team does this year.
 
You only need to look to what happens with Ermon Lane if you want a fair grade for Al. This is a Pass/Fail test.
 
When I watch highlights from the late 90's-2003, I see players that are physical beasts. I STILL don't see that that with much of this team. If we are still struggling physically with the good teams on our sched, I could care less about staff hires or recruiting rankings, or the NCAA scandal. In year three, there is absolutely no excuse for being thrown around like rag dolls the way we have been for what is going on almost a decade now.

again, this **** takes time. you can't physically impose your will when you have as many freshman and sophomore's on the field as we do, going up against juniors and senior laden teams that have had the extra couple of off-seasons to get bigger, faster, stronger.

Even in this upcoming season, the bar is being set to high. We need to build some god**** depth. I would be off the walls with 10 wins. We have a lot of potential studs on this team, but you also have to recognize there is no depth because of the abysmal roster that was given to Golden. He is doing his best with these recruiting classes to fill needs and in time add good depth.

We have quality depth at two positions: WR and OL. There is no depth anywhere else. If Duke goes down we literally become one dimensional, if Morris goes down we become one dimensional, if both go down we are totally ****ed. We were building some LB depth, but at the moment it appears to be diminished. You need quality depth to be a legit top 10 team.

Now next season we might be able to pull off 10 wins because our schedule is soft and we are explosive offensively if everyone stays healthy, but it still doesn't change the fact that we are very thin in the 2 and 3 spots at almost every position. We have depth at almost every position, but only WR and OL have quality depth, which is the big thing here. If we are going to be a real top 10 team next season we have to A.) Keep Morris and Duke healthy and B.) have some freaking guys step up and improve to the point where they are capable back-ups and don't look like they are running around headless on the football field, especially defensively.

Clive Walford, Chickillo, Porter, Gunter, Shayon Green, Dye, Jimmy Gaines, Olsen Pierre and Luther Robinson are all upperclassmen this season, and need to play like it.

Since this is about Golden, I will end this post by keeping the light on him. The guys I listed above need to step up and play like upperclassmen. At the very least they should be guys that do their jobs on the field and aren't having problems with assignments, tackling, etc. That falls on Golden. It's his job to get these guys to become consistently good football players. They don't have to stand out, that's what Duke, Morris, Deon and Perryman are going to do. Just develop like the junior's and senior's do at other major programs. This is the third year this guys are with Golden, it's time to start making some serious improvements. No more of this being lost on the field ****, and not understanding certain schemes or assignments, it's time to get it together. Again, it's Golden's job to get these guys motivated in the off-season to be 100% committed to their diets and training, and it's his job to ensure they are being properly coached on the gridiron. If the majority of those guys haven't significantly improved, Golden isn't the "developer" that people have said he is.

These guys should be solid contributors next season all the time. Not just showing flashes of it, they should be contributing positively whether small or large, every game, every offensive and defensive series. We will likely never have the depth Alabama or LSU has, but we can and will come **** close to it if Golden can develop guys and the recruiting keeps going the way it is now, which it absolutely should and more once this NCAA cloud is no longer over our heads.

Stop wasting your time with reason. It's all about results, and if you can't get great results with a bunch of freshman and a crippled junior on the DL, then you're trash as a corch. Any good corch could easily scheme around a non-existent DL. Everyone knows line play is meaningless in football.

Win the National Championship this year, or GTFO!
 
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Fck all the excuses. Golden needs to win 10 regular season games this year. The schedule is weak as ****. We have a high powered offense.... We should simply out score most of our opponents... And if AL can't get the defense to stand the fck up once or twice in a season, well I don't know what to say. This is the year to get off the Schneid. If we don't beat UF at home "this" year??? Then we have what we have actually seen (a mediocre coach), not what we hope we have (a Jimmy Johnson/Nick SAban "clone"). It is what it is.....
 
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