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Grading Coach Golden

It took Butch 6 years through sanctions, so I will give Al the same time to get us back into the championship hunt. I think Al could have us there in 2015. Grade B.
 
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When I watch highlights from the late 90's-2003, I see players that are physical beasts. I STILL don't see that that with much of this team. If we are still struggling physically with the good teams on our sched, I could care less about staff hires or recruiting rankings, or the NCAA scandal. In year three, there is absolutely no excuse for being thrown around like rag dolls the way we have been for what is going on almost a decade now.
 
Dynasty said:
CaneInTheHouse said:
It took Butch 6 years through sanctions, so I will give Al the same time to get us back into the championship hunt. I think Al could have us there in 2015. Grade B.
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I basically agree with this.
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As do I.

Love Al to death. I'll give him a solid B right now.

Needs to get with Coach D and get the D straightened out. It's been said before if the D was ranked even 75th, we may have won, one or more games. If that can improve, we should be at, at least a 9 win team. At that point, I'd go A-. If the D ends up top 50, 11 games , could be reality. I'd be at an A+

ACCCG champs and BCS Bowl berth, A++. NC win............oh lawd.
 
I would give Golden a higher grade than Shannon, any day of the year.

Golden gets a B+/A- in my book.
 
Slow down! LOL

My point is, if he's 6-6, it doesn't mean he can't be the guy to make UM elite ... And even going 12-0 won't mean he is.

Coker has a national title, and so does Gene Chizik. So, one elite season means nothing.

And playing in the ACC should mean a 10 win season, every year. So, 9 wins in 2014 will be a disappointment. Use Duke and the D to protect your new QB in 2014. Coaching matters most when you don't have studs all over the field.

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Jassid82 said:
Dandycane, I dont think we meant make or break as far as him being fired. (At least I didnt). Make or Break in a sense that his tenure could go either way here. Is he gonna be a career 7-9 win guy? Or is he gonna take that next step? I dont care what anybody says..The competition aint getting any worse. FSU/FLA are already reloading yearly and are ready to bust heads. We talk about the ACC being down EVERY YEAR and yet we still end up losing 2-3 games in the conference. These next two years is **** near now or never as far as becoming relevant again and not having our games broadcasted on ESPNU or FoxSportsNet. We got the talent. Now lets put it all together and see what we got.
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I don't agree that his tenure will be decided either way, based on this year. I think the next few years will be the indicator ... But not 2013, alone. 7-5 or 6-6 will suck, and we should all question him. But "make or break" means him failing to win the ACC next year means he never will, or is not the guy to lead Miami ... And I just don't put that much significance on 2013. I'll give him a full 5 years before making my call ... Give him a full team of "his" guys, and his system. If he's 6-6 or 7-5 for the next 2 years ... That's "break". Because that's a pattern with his own guys and system in place.

And on the other side ... Even if he wins 10 or 11 games this season, I'll still wait to see if he can maintain in 2014 before making a conclusion ... So, for me ... 2014 is make or break. 2013 is just another year in the process and evaluation ... Good or bad.
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jesus ****ing christ.

So, if he wins 10 or 11 games this year, then only gets 9 the following season with Ryan Williams or a freshman QB, Golden should be fired? We are STILL re-building. It isn't a hard concept. Al Golden is re-building this god**** thing from the ground up, and that takes ****ing time. If he gets 10+ wins next season and avoids a bull**** loss to the likes of UVA, USF or Duke, then he should absolutely be given 2-3 more years alone unless the team totally implodes the following season.

This program is in a re-building stage that will take 5-7 seasons to come full circle. We got A.) skull ****ed by back to back coaches, which entirely screwed some connections in SFLA recruiting, and also mouth ****ed our roster, and B.) the NCAA is coming at us with AK47's, tanks and RPG's, even though they have yet to hit their target. This isn't a Michigan re-build where a change of coach was needed to steer the ship back in the right direction. We had to literally re-pair most of the god**** ship just so we could keep it afloat, and now we are in the works of fixing everything else so we can go this **** steaming into the god**** islands.

Al Golden appears to be the man for the long haul. But if he isn't, then I thank him for preventing this program from going under. He has led us through NCAA bull****, is re-pairing the roster year by year (I don't think people to this day realize how god ****ing awful our roster was last season because of corch Shannon.) and has totally wiped out the lazy, self-entitled bull**** that ran wild within this football program for 5+ **** years.
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GoldenShowers said:
When I watch highlights from the late 90's-2003, I see players that are physical beasts. I STILL don't see that that with much of this team. If we are still struggling physically with the good teams on our sched, I could care less about staff hires or recruiting rankings, or the NCAA scandal. In year three, there is absolutely no excuse for being thrown around like rag dolls the way we have been for what is going on almost a decade now.
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again, this **** takes time. you can't physically impose your will when you have as many freshman and sophomore's on the field as we do, going up against juniors and senior laden teams that have had the extra couple of off-seasons to get bigger, faster, stronger.

Even in this upcoming season, the bar is being set to high. We need to build some god**** depth. I would be off the walls with 10 wins. We have a lot of potential studs on this team, but you also have to recognize there is no depth because of the abysmal roster that was given to Golden. He is doing his best with these recruiting classes to fill needs and in time add good depth.

We have quality depth at two positions: WR and OL. There is no depth anywhere else. If Duke goes down we literally become one dimensional, if Morris goes down we become one dimensional, if both go down we are totally ****ed. We were building some LB depth, but at the moment it appears to be diminished. You need quality depth to be a legit top 10 team.

Now next season we might be able to pull off 10 wins because our schedule is soft and we are explosive offensively if everyone stays healthy, but it still doesn't change the fact that we are very thin in the 2 and 3 spots at almost every position. We have depth at almost every position, but only WR and OL have quality depth, which is the big thing here. If we are going to be a real top 10 team next season we have to A.) Keep Morris and Duke healthy and B.) have some freaking guys step up and improve to the point where they are capable back-ups and don't look like they are running around headless on the football field, especially defensively.

Clive Walford, Chickillo, Porter, Gunter, Shayon Green, Dye, Jimmy Gaines, Olsen Pierre and Luther Robinson are all upperclassmen this season, and need to play like it.

Since this is about Golden, I will end this post by keeping the light on him. The guys I listed above need to step up and play like upperclassmen. At the very least they should be guys that do their jobs on the field and aren't having problems with assignments, tackling, etc. That falls on Golden. It's his job to get these guys to become consistently good football players. They don't have to stand out, that's what Duke, Morris, Deon and Perryman are going to do. Just develop like the junior's and senior's do at other major programs. This is the third year this guys are with Golden, it's time to start making some serious improvements. No more of this being lost on the field ****, and not understanding certain schemes or assignments, it's time to get it together. Again, it's Golden's job to get these guys motivated in the off-season to be 100% committed to their diets and training, and it's his job to ensure they are being properly coached on the gridiron. If the majority of those guys haven't significantly improved, Golden isn't the "developer" that people have said he is.

These guys should be solid contributors next season all the time. Not just showing flashes of it, they should be contributing positively whether small or large, every game, every offensive and defensive series. We will likely never have the depth Alabama or LSU has, but we can and will come **** close to it if Golden can develop guys and the recruiting keeps going the way it is now, which it absolutely should and more once this NCAA cloud is no longer over our heads.
 
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loreste said:
How long are we going to blame Randy For Golden? I think Golden has done a decent job, nothing spectacular. No reason to lose to UNC, and UVA. Getting destroyed by K state and ND was embarassing. Let's see if Golden is what we all think he is, let him beat UF, and win the ACC.
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i would say the same amount of time we blamed coker for shannon... so at least 3 seasons.. if not more.
 
DaU83 said:
loreste said:
How long are we going to blame Randy For Golden? I think Golden has done a decent job, nothing spectacular. No reason to lose to UNC, and UVA. Getting destroyed by K state and ND was embarassing. Let's see if Golden is what we all think he is, let him beat UF, and win the ACC.
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i would say the same amount of time we blamed coker for shannon... so at least 3 seasons.. if not more.
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I don't get how Coker's effect on Shannon in terms of time has anything to do with Shannon's effect on Golden in terms of time. Then you have this whole mess with the NCAA, which is something Shannon or most coaches don't have to deal with. I don't see how one coach's failure (Coker or RS) has anything to do with the timing for another coach's timing for success.

The only thing I see is since 2003-2010 we had a lot of bad coaching, terrible culture and poor player development (at Miami) running through the program. We had no leadership and not much of a plan in place for building and maintaining a team. The program was broken before Shannon took over and it remained after he left PLUS the NCAA stuff.

I keep saying that you can keep bringing coach after coach in to fix the mess, but until someone actually does it properly then the efforts and time it takes are irrelevant. You will keep repeating the process till it is done correctly.

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Some fans threw in the towel on Golden after Maryland, after season 1, season 2 and possibly after UF. Other fans will keep backing the guy for X period of time and maybe forever.

So the fans may want this guy gone, some fans have agenda that is irrelevant of actual performance and some may want him here forever.

So week to week this season people can call for his head or applaud his efforts or remain indifferent. The choice is yours but IMO the guy is not going anywhere this season regardless of your personal (IRRELEVANT) thoughts on the guy.

I am not saying don't discuss his "grade" but at some point what is the point of doing that?
 
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DaU83 said:
loreste said:
How long are we going to blame Randy For Golden? I think Golden has done a decent job, nothing spectacular. No reason to lose to UNC, and UVA. Getting destroyed by K state and ND was embarassing. Let's see if Golden is what we all think he is, let him beat UF, and win the ACC.
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i would say the same amount of time we blamed coker for shannon... so at least 3 seasons.. if not more.
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I felt Shannon was a continuation of Coker, which he really ended up being. There was no actual "change" taking effect like what is happening with Golden. Therefore Shannon's leash was much much shorter. Golden on the other hands has had to deal changing the downward momentum that had been picking up speed for 8 + years prior to his arrival. SO More effort is therefore needed. With more effort takes more time. Especially if the plan is to do it the right way without taking shortcuts.
And this is without the added baggage brought by the NCAA investigation that is impeding Golden's efforts. So 4-6 years is a fair measuring stick for Al.
All I'm looking for this year is validation of D'onofrio and his scheme that with more depth and talent added in the up coming years will be a Top defensive Unit in the country. And by validation I mean marked improvement and not necessarily Bama type defense. Just signs that by 2014-2015 we'll be at that level.
 
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I would give him a B+. Some of you are delusional to think Golden should've won big the last 2 seasons with the roster he inherited. This is year 3 and he has many of his own recruits with another year of experience under their belt. I expect to see improvement and would be disappointed with fewer than 10 wins, but in no way am I ready to pull the plug after this season if we don't win 10 games.
 
I don't think anyone is saying/implying that Goldens be fired if the team doesn't win 10 games. He's set a high standard for himself with the way he's changed the culture; so now it feels natural to expect to see better results in year 3. I think we all expect our best season in quite some time, so anything less should/could be considered a failure.
 
rokulika said:
I don't think anyone is saying/implying that Goldens be fired if the team doesn't win 10 games. He's set a high standard for himself with the way he's changed the culture; so now it feels natural to expect to see better results in year 3. I think we all expect our best season in quite some time, so anything less should/could be considered a failure.
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That is a very low bar ("our best season in quite some time")

2003: 11-2, Conference Title and BCS Bowl Win

2004: 9-3, Peach Bowl Win v UF

If we won 9 games in the regular season, did not make the ACC Champ game and won a bowl game we would have a better season than any since 2003. 10-3 with a bowl win, while it would be the best season, I don't think YOU would be happy with that.

Say what you really want to say.
 
We all expect better results in 2013 based on the job Al has done thus far. Winning the ACC is an attainable goal, but I'll be pretty happy with 10 wins in any fashion. That would be a first for Al, a first for us since 2003, and it would mean we're progressing towards bigger/better things.

1) 10 wins
2) Win the Coastal
3) ACC Champs

Any one of those three should be considered a success.
 
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Consigliere said:
DaU83 said:
loreste said:
How long are we going to blame Randy For Golden? I think Golden has done a decent job, nothing spectacular. No reason to lose to UNC, and UVA. Getting destroyed by K state and ND was embarassing. Let's see if Golden is what we all think he is, let him beat UF, and win the ACC.
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i would say the same amount of time we blamed coker for shannon... so at least 3 seasons.. if not more.
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I don't get how Coker's effect on Shannon in terms of time has anything to do with Shannon's effect on Golden in terms of time. Then you have this whole mess with the NCAA, which is something Shannon or most coaches don't have to deal with. I don't see how one coach's failure (Coker or RS) has anything to do with the timing for another coach's timing for success.

The only thing I see is since 2003-2010 we had a lot of bad coaching, terrible culture and poor player development (at Miami) running through the program. We had no leadership and not much of a plan in place for building and maintaining a team. The program was broken before Shannon took over and it remained after he left PLUS the NCAA stuff.

I keep saying that you can keep bringing coach after coach in to fix the mess, but until someone actually does it properly then the efforts and time it takes are irrelevant. You will keep repeating the process till it is done correctly.

To the board,

Some fans threw in the towel on Golden after Maryland, after season 1, season 2 and possibly after UF. Other fans will keep backing the guy for X period of time and maybe forever.

So the fans may want this guy gone, some fans have agenda that is irrelevant of actual performance and some may want him here forever.

So week to week this season people can call for his head or applaud his efforts or remain indifferent. The choice is yours but IMO the guy is not going anywhere this season regardless of your personal (IRRELEVANT) thoughts on the guy.

I am not saying don't discuss his "grade" but at some point what is the point of doing that?
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I'm of the opinion that he is doing a top notch job here. I also think he deserves more leeway because he's not only dealing with Shannon's terrible job, but the terrible job coker did before that.
 
So far Golden has been recruiting while under attack from an utterly corrupt NCAA leadership his entire tenure here, agonizingly still unresolved with no apparent end in sight, that hangs over the program like a giant billboard saying "don't go there" used by every competitor, while simultaneously weeding out gobs of entitled, spoiled (and in some cases plan c talent) dead wood gifted him by the 2 previous coaching choices - AND THE MAN IS STILL HERE FIGHTING FOR THE U.

How anyone can give the guy a grade other than A+ right now is inconceivable.....and it does mean what I think it means. GO CANES!
 
Dont want to make an ezcuse but most high powered offense and ****** D because the O scores to fast sort of like Oregon. I think we need a more balanced attack that will help the D alot IMO. A team that can impose there wil running against us will kill us if we try the quick strike Offense and fail.

Golden gets a B minus, would of gave him a A minus or B plus if he closed on national signing day obviously with his main targets not his last second desperate signings. Dorito gets a F and Jethro gets an F.
 
rokulika said:
We all expect better results in 2013 based on the job Al has done thus far. Winning the ACC is an attainable goal, but I'll be pretty happy with 10 wins in any fashion. That would be a first for Al, a first for us since 2003, and it would mean we're progressing towards bigger/better things.

1) 10 wins
2) Win the Coastal
3) ACC Champs

Any one of those three should be considered a success.
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Always taking a subtle shot at coach in your posts.

If Morris is healthy, I think we can do 1 and 2.
 
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