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Luke Caneswalker said:
When you look at positions you HAVE to factor depth. Any given play something can go south. No way we’re that high on the QB room. Maybe Beck but no way in **** this is a playoff team with Williams / Anderson / Nickel
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I hear you. But the chances are relatively low according to ChatGPT. I acknowledge GPTs are often wrong so this could be off, but seems about right to me:

Per ChatGPT, 7 starting QBs missed games due to injury last season -- Beck at UGA, Van Dyke at Wisconsin, Warren at Michigan, DJU, Brady Cook at Missouri, Morton at TX Tech, and Ewers at UTX. 7 of 67 = 10.4% per season. Most years, it's between 5-15%, so that's roughly average.

I don't consider a 10% injury rate for a whole season to be high enough to have it affect my grade. I also think that any team save Texas would have been knocked out of playoff contention if it lost its starting QB for more than a couple games.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I was genuinely asking. I’d assume most would think Wes will play ~70% of the snaps at one spot. I have absolutely zero clue who plays the other 30% nor who else plays any of the snaps at the other backer spot.
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Toure and Wes will likely start. Popo, Bonner and pruitt behind them
 
grover said:
I hear you. But the chances are relatively low according to ChatGPT. I acknowledge GPTs are often wrong so this could be off, but seems about right to me:

Per ChatGPT, 7 starting QBs missed games due to injury last season -- Beck at UGA, Van Dyke at Wisconsin, Warren at Michigan, DJU, Brady Cook at Missouri, Morton at TX Tech, and Ewers at UTX. 7 of 67 = 10.4% per season. Most years, it's between 5-15%, so that's roughly average.

I don't consider a 10% injury rate for a whole season to be high enough to have it affect my grade. I also think that any team save Texas would have been knocked out of playoff contention if it lost its starting QB for more than a couple games.
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Those are interesting statistics. 10 % is a risk i would take. Maybe I’m jaded by the run of injured QBs we had since Morris. Ryan Williams, D’eriq King, etc.
TVD.
 
mikedeep97 said:
My opinion:

QB - B
RB - B+
WR - B-
TE - B+
OL - A-

DT - C+
DE - A-
LB - C+
CB/N - A-
S - B

Beck doesn't have a backup that I would feel confident in leading us for more than a week or two

For what our offense asks of its TEs, I feel pretty good

If we're good team against the run, it'll be because we got a bunch of early leads or Heatherman is a genius. Getting both is our best chance to make noise this year

I'm considering Damari a Nickel player and occasional safety. I'm really high on him regardless. But in that role, he's a Day 2 pick. Our corners as a whole are pretty effing solid.. Safeties, not as nice
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Damari doesn’t seem to want to play either. Scott and Brantley going to be at nickel
 
Angry Ibis said:
Looks like no excuses to me... ACC Championship and Playoffs...

@grover forgot to grade the limiting factor...
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Agree no excuses. What’s the limiting factor? I assume you mean coaching quality and you give Mario a C-? What’s your take on Dawson and Hetherman?
 
grover said:
Agree no excuses. What’s the limiting factor? I assume you mean coaching quality and you give Mario a C-? What’s your take on Dawson and Hetherman?
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I think that is fair for Mario. I need to see more from Dawson to understand how much Cam saved our asses last year. I would have liked to see Hetherman have more years at Minnesota. "Schiano" guy doesn't do much for me when you consider Schiano is a middling head coach who Tennessee almost burned down Knoxville to keep him from being their HC.
 
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grover said:
I hear you. But the chances are relatively low according to ChatGPT. I acknowledge GPTs are often wrong so this could be off, but seems about right to me:

Per ChatGPT, 7 starting QBs missed games due to injury last season -- Beck at UGA, Van Dyke at Wisconsin, Warren at Michigan, DJU, Brady Cook at Missouri, Morton at TX Tech, and Ewers at UTX. 7 of 67 = 10.4% per season. Most years, it's between 5-15%, so that's roughly average.

I don't consider a 10% injury rate for a whole season to be high enough to have it affect my grade. I also think that any team save Texas would have been knocked out of playoff contention if it lost its starting QB for more than a couple games.
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Off the jump, you should know this is bull****. Mertz... at UiF.

Instead of just acknowledging AI is "often wrong," take 5 minutes to confirm the results. Christ. This right here is why this country can't have nice things anymore.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Off the jump, you should know this is bull****. Mertz... at UiF.

Instead of just acknowledging AI is "often wrong," take 5 minutes to confirm the results. Christ. This right here is why this country can't have nice things anymore.
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Yeah, I should have double checked. Fair criticism.
 
mikedeep97 said:
My opinion:

QB - B
RB - B+
WR - B-
TE - B+
OL - A-

DT - C+
DE - A-
LB - C+
CB/N - A-
S - B

Beck doesn't have a backup that I would feel confident in leading us for more than a week or two

For what our offense asks of its TEs, I feel pretty good

If we're good team against the run, it'll be because we got a bunch of early leads or Heatherman is a genius. Getting both is our best chance to make noise this year

I'm considering Damari a Nickel player and occasional safety. I'm really high on him regardless. But in that role, he's a Day 2 pick. Our corners as a whole are pretty effing solid.. Safeties, not as nice
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So 5 star Justin Scott is C how do you know?? Have you watched practice? Are you speaking to coaches?? Damari might not even start?? Carson Beck a projected 1st rounder is a B show me your stupid without saying your stupid..
 
For the life of me I don't understand how we sucked so bad for all those years and we have thousands of the top notch Coaches and Talent evaluators on this site who should of applied for the open jobs at Miami. Go figure!!!
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
This is difficult. Is it based on what each group's potential? Or what they are right now?

Take QB for example.

Glass half full, Beck plays like the injury never happened. Our depth doesn't matter because he takes almost every snap, and he plays well. That's an easy A.

Glass half empty, he's got some rust and soreness that leads to our backups starting a game or two.

Two of those backups are flat out terrible and the third is a true freshman. If any of them starts a single game besides Bethune, there's no way that group is an A.

We can probably do that at just every position. So its hard to grade them.
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While I have very little confidence in our backup quarterbacks, I’d say the same probably goes for 90% of the teams out there. If pretty much any team loses their starting quarterback, they’re in trouble.
 
SIBCanes said:
So 5 star Justin Scott is C how do you know?? Have you watched practice? Are you speaking to coaches?? Damari might not even start?? Carson Beck a projected 1st rounder is a B show me your stupid without saying your stupid..
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I appreciate your feedback, it's always good to get another perspective

If we're grading individual players, then I need to adjust my expectations. But I'm pretty sure that our goal was to grade the position groups (or rooms) based on ability to help us achieve our next shot at a title

Having one (currently unproven) dominant DT does not make a championship DT position unless you're playing some sort of odd front with him getting 80-90% of the snaps

I haven't watched practice or talked to coaches, but I'm pretty confident in that

If Damari, whom I'm very high on, doesn't start, then I trust the coaches have very good options taking snaps ahead of him. That is indicative of a good room

Based on my previous explanations, I think you can gather why I consider the QB position a "B". I believe you'll get that without further explanation because I don't come on message boards with the immediate assumption that someone who's opinion differs from mine is "stupid"
 
grover said:
We're a month away from Summer Camp. It doesn't look like more grad transfers are coming, so the roster is set, along with the schedule and staff. Relative to a playoff caliber level, how would you rate each position group?

A = positive marginal contribution to making playoffs, B = neutral, neither helps nor hurts playoff chances, C or below = detrimental, could lose us games and knock us out of the playoffs.

Here is my grading:
Offense
QB -- A
OTs -- A
IOL -- B+
TE -- B+
RB -- B
WR -- B-

Defense
DE -- A-
CB -- A-
LB -- B-
DT -- B-
S -- B-

STs
Punter -- B+
Kicker -- C

Overall, that's a playoff caliber roster, IMO. However, we're pretty thin in spots, and injuries -- especially at DT and S, positions that are injury-prone -- could seriously set us back. And ironically our kicking situation is so uncertain, it could be a difference maker in W/Ls.

What does everyone else think?
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What does +/- designate?
 
Ghandi said:
What does +/- designate?
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I guess your school didn't grade on an A-F scale? The +/- allows for slightly more specificity than strictly A, B, C, D or F. So and A- is a 90-92 on a number scale of 100. A B+ is a 88-90.
 
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