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Goodbye, Tua.

hoops156 said:
helps when you have prime tyreek and waddle
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And before that two college offenses that were arguably as loaded as any I’ve ever seen.

Putting up numbers with Devonta Smith, Jeudy, Ruggs, and Waddle with Damien Harris, Josh Jacobs, Najee Harris and Brian Robinson in the backfield behind an offensive line full of all conference performers. Half of Tua’s college touchdowns were just Devonta Smith being 15 yards behind the defense, the other half were RPO quick slants that those dudes took 60 yards after the catch.

But the Tua stans think none of that matters and will just throw stats at people.
 
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P-Tizzle said:
Extending Tua with a year still left on his rookie deal and coming off of two injury plagued years HAS TO BE the dumbest move a front office has ever made in all professional team sports.
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Right behind drafting damaged goods so high?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Tua has been a disaster. Nothing special for the first two years. Then a bubble of 2 good years (fool's gold) that resulted in two Wild Card losses. Followed by the ridiculous extension and the inevitable decline. And an all-time NFL record cap hit on the release.

I don't care if you were ever a "should've drafted Herbert instead guy". The fact remains, the fanbase acted like we had won some sort of a prize by drating Tua at #5. The whole "Tank for Tua" thing began the year before the draft, and Tua wasn't even the first QB selected.

---We could have tried to trade up for Joe Burrow.
---I mention Justin Herbert because he was the next selection. Regardless of what you think of him, his stats are better in every year except 2023.
---Jordan Love was available later in the 1st round.
---Jalen Hurts was available in the 2nd round.
---Free agency? If you can't get Burrow and you don't like the others, you could go after Tom Brady (I know, we tried, it cost us some draft capital) or Phillip Rivers or Ryan Tannehill until you are ready to draft a QB.

Bottom line, Tua was the wrong choice.
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Aside from the bolded text, everything else you wrote has nothing to do with my Herbert commentary. You didn't need to convince me that you're right about not drafting Tua. You didn't need to expend this amount of energy, nor replay the draft from that year. It's ok that I disagree with the should've drafted Herbert notion. It really is.

I agree that Tank 4 Tua was stupid. I agree the Dolphins should not have drafted him. I agree that Burrow, Love and Hurts were better choices. Personally, when teams are stuck in loser ruts like the Jets currently, Dolphins for a while, the Lions before Dan Campbell; I believe drafting a QB early in round 1 and in the first year or so of a new tenure is a death sentence for the coach, GM and QB, although many teams don't cut off all three heads (so the cycle continues). It happens year after year where the new coach needs "his guy" under center, but the rest of the team sucks so bad that the new QB is certain to fail. Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones are two recent examples.

Earlier you said "they should've drafted Justin Herbert." I disagreed. Now you ended with "Bottom line, Tua was the wrong choice." Those are two very different statements. I agree with the latter.
 
The U is back to work said:
Contract is terrible because the concussions impacted him greatly but let’s not forget here he was really **** good for 3 straight years before that contract.

2022-2024

70% passer

11,000 yards

75 TDs

29 INTs
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Dig into the numbers a bit more, and you come away realizing he feasted on bad defenses and was exposed by good to great defenses (McDaniel also didn't help by abandoning the run whenever it seemed to have some success - this year being the exception).

Tua had a tough go of it though while a Dolphin from the injuries to dealing with Flores and his inept offensive staff.
 
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TwentySix said:
And before that two college offenses that were arguably as loaded as any I’ve ever seen.

Putting up numbers with Devonta Smith, Jeudy, Ruggs, and Waddle with Damien Harris, Josh Jacobs, Najee Harris and Brian Robinson in the backfield behind an offensive line full of all conference performers. Half of Tua’s college touchdowns were just Devonta Smith being 15 yards behind the defense, the other half were RPO quick slants that those dudes took 60 yards after the catch.

But the Tua stans think none of that matters and will just throw stats at people.
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This is why I was never a fan of his in the NFL. When you are stacked with that kind of talent, you really aren't asked to do much. On top of that the guy was a walking injury.
 
P-Tizzle said:
Brother, I get you, I do. But I remember that draft, and everyone had Tua as high draft pick then. Everyone.
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I never bought the hype. Alabama was loaded, and it made him look better than he actually was. Then, that injury. No way Miami should have drafted him that high. They should have traded that pick and let some other foolish team take him. Oh well. This is the Dolphins we are talking about.
 
P-Tizzle said:
Extending Tua with a year still left on his rookie deal and coming off of two injury plagued years HAS TO BE the dumbest move a front office has ever made in all professional team sports.
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GM Grier was a moron and Ross didn't have the cojones to fire him for some reason.
 
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caneULM said:
This is why I was never a fan of his in the NFL. When you are stacked with that kind of talent, you really aren't asked to do much. On top of that the guy was a walking injury.
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He just never had to throw into nfl windows. Ever. He avoided the system qb label because Bama but that’s exactly what he was, but now everyone who ignored that just uses the injuries as an excuse.
 
Grier should've been shot into the sun for extending Tua at that price. At least I can reminisce about the 80s Dolphins instead of watching the current coat hanger abortion of a team.

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Injury-prone, physically limited system QB gets drafted 5th overall despite (at least) 3 surgeries in college. Signed to a 4-year $212.4 million ($53.1M annually with $167.1M guaranteed) contract extension in the summer of 2024 (concussion and turnover history) and gets paid like a true franchise QB. Released ~ 1.5 years later after getting benched the last 3 games of the season after a ~4% interception rate for the season.

If you'd hypothetically asked me which franchises would be the most likely to take this approach before Tua, I'd have probably listed a top 5 of the Dolphins, Jets, Cardinals, Browns, and Saints. Dolfinas gonna Dolfina.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Injury-prone, physically limited system QB gets drafted 5th overall despite (at least) 3 surgeries in college. Signed to a 4-year $212.4 million ($53.1M annually with $167.1M guaranteed) contract extension in the summer of 2024 (concussion and turnover history) and gets paid like a true franchise QB. Released ~ 1.5 years later after getting benched the last 3 games of the season after a ~4% interception rate for the season.

If you'd hypothetically asked me which franchises would be the most likely to take this approach before Tua, I'd have probably listed a top 5 of the Dolphins, Jets, Cardinals, Browns, and Saints. Dolfinas gonna Dolfina.
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after giving him two of the best WRs in the league to benefit him and a system designed for him to get rid of the ball quick. once the league adjusted, his entire use case was done. it should have been seen by the "brain trust" but nonetheless, the fins are mis run. thankfully, this new regime is going full rebuild.
 
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