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8. How Does Al Golden Keep Landing Elite Classes When His Teams Are So Relentlessly Average?

know what you’re thinking …… but the days of taking Miami recruits to booster-sponsored yacht parties and the VIP room at Club LIV are OVER. The Hurricanes are now all about academic/administrative integrity, which frankly makes Golden’s eighth-ranked class (a) booooooring, and (b) totally unexplainable, especially since Golden was on his hands and knees begging for the Penn State job less than a month ago. And Golden’s class could get even better, as four-star dual-threat quarterback Treon Harris is a real threat to rebuff Florida State for Miami even though nobody has a better track record of getting his quarterbacks paid than Jimbo Fisher.
 
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A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
 
Kevin said:
HurricaneGlory said:
A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
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yyyyeeaahhhh okkkkk buddy.. "Huge Misconception"
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It is a huge misconception. Some people don't follow recruiting year round, you know. At Sunlife, Georgia and Virginia tech fans were chirping about how Miami gets all these elite classes but can't win the ACC.
 
HurricaneGlory said:
Kevin said:
HurricaneGlory said:
A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
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yyyyeeaahhhh okkkkk buddy.. "Huge Misconception"
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It is a huge misconception. Some people don't follow recruiting year round, you know. At Sunlife, Georgia and Virginia tech fans were chirping about how Miami gets all these elite classes but can't win the ACC.
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We do get the 2nd best classes in the ACC almost every year. VTech, Duke would kill to have our classes.

They aren't elite, few are, but they are good enough to win the Coastal
 
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DiegoCane said:
HurricaneGlory said:
Kevin said:
HurricaneGlory said:
A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
Click to expand...
yyyyeeaahhhh okkkkk buddy.. "Huge Misconception"
Click to expand...

It is a huge misconception. Some people don't follow recruiting year round, you know. At Sunlife, Georgia and Virginia tech fans were chirping about how Miami gets all these elite classes but can't win the ACC.
Click to expand...

We do get the 2nd best classes in the ACC almost every year. VTech, Duke would kill to have our classes.

They aren't elite, few are, but they are good enough to win the Coastal
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Our recruiting rankings are consistently above the Dukes, Georgia Techs, and Virginia Tech. Right now we're number 8 in the nation in recruiting despite the fact we had a very average and uneventful season. Our class is currently above the team that almost won a national championship (Auburn). The only teams currently better than us (according to ESPN, but grantland is an espn site): Alabama (elite team), Texas A&M (elite team), LSU (elite team), FSU (hate to say it, but they just won so elite) ,v Volunteers (new coach honeymoon+storied program), OhioState (elite), and Florida (had a down year, but has won 2 national championships in the last 8 years, our last championship was 13 years ago!).

All in all, the general media has us as a "has been" storied program such as a Nebraska. Even more recently relevant storied programs (Texas, Oklahoma) are behind us in the rankings... And they're not even close (#14, and 15 respectively). Virginia Tech is all the way down at 29th, the elite program of Oregon is at 25th, and surprise Michigan State is at 38. Nebraska, the team you can draw the closest parallel between history and contemporary "averageness" is at 40th.

Face it, for the painfully average teams we have been rolling out for the last 8 seasons, our recent consistent top 15 class is nothing but a mind****.
 
If you don't think these classes are elite, you're just an idiot

There are 119 teams in the bowl subdivision

The 2014 incoming class of Miami Hurricanes will be almost assuredly be the 2nd time in the past 3 seasons that Al Golden has a class in the Top 11, according to the 247 composite (without question the most reputable source).

That puts them in the top 10% when it comes to acquiring talent.

The losing can be attributed to many things, including the fact that they have missed on some specific necessities, but to say that these classes aren't elite is purely ignorant on a litany of levels.

2 5 star running backs in the last 3 seasons
3 consecutive classes with an Elite 11 QB
Miami has probably recruited the offensive line better than anyone not named Alabama in the last 5 years.
A defensive backfield LITTERED with High School All-Americans
Chickillo, McCord, and AQM were ALL stud edge recruits
This '14 class has an inordinate amount of guys who can rush the passer at a very high level

Have they missed on an impact interior defensive line recruit? Most certainly, but I'm not of the belief that a miss in one area reduces a class to pedestrian status. There are PLENTY of schools who are fielding defenses with defensive tackles who have far lesser profiles than the ones we have and are succeeding.

Scheme...Youth...Lack of consistency at the most important position on the field

These are the reasons for our mediocrity. Not recruiting.
 
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HurricaneGlory said:
Kevin said:
HurricaneGlory said:
A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
Click to expand...
yyyyeeaahhhh okkkkk buddy.. "Huge Misconception"
Click to expand...

It is a huge misconception. Some people don't follow recruiting year round, you know. At Sunlife, Georgia and Virginia tech fans were chirping about how Miami gets all these elite classes but can't win the ACC.
Click to expand...

Do these classes pan out well? Usually not, but in terms of pure star values we do consistently beat them out by a lot. The problem is Miami fans think we're going to sign every 5 star always, even though they forget we're not Alabama... So its always a disappointment. Miami fans tend to have Ricky Bobby perspective in regards to recruiting, you're first or you're last
 
Chrisarg72 said:
HurricaneGlory said:
Kevin said:
HurricaneGlory said:
A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
Click to expand...
yyyyeeaahhhh okkkkk buddy.. "Huge Misconception"
Click to expand...

It is a huge misconception. Some people don't follow recruiting year round, you know. At Sunlife, Georgia and Virginia tech fans were chirping about how Miami gets all these elite classes but can't win the ACC.
Click to expand...

Do these classes pan out well? Usually not, but in terms of pure star values we do consistently beat them out by a lot. The problem is Miami fans think we're going to sign every 5 star always, even though they forget we're not Alabama... So its always a disappointment. Miami fans tend to have Ricky Bobby perspective in regards to recruiting, you're first or you're last
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Oh how badly our fanbase needs a Viagra IV!

We used to kick the **** out of the SEC on a regular basis. Fwck bama and fwck dorito!!!!!
 
Cane Dynasty said:
Chrisarg72 said:
HurricaneGlory said:
Kevin said:
HurricaneGlory said:
A lot of the people on the outside looking in think Miami continually lands elite classes. Huge misconception.
Click to expand...
yyyyeeaahhhh okkkkk buddy.. "Huge Misconception"
Click to expand...

It is a huge misconception. Some people don't follow recruiting year round, you know. At Sunlife, Georgia and Virginia tech fans were chirping about how Miami gets all these elite classes but can't win the ACC.
Click to expand...

Do these classes pan out well? Usually not, but in terms of pure star values we do consistently beat them out by a lot. The problem is Miami fans think we're going to sign every 5 star always, even though they forget we're not Alabama... So its always a disappointment. Miami fans tend to have Ricky Bobby perspective in regards to recruiting, you're first or you're last
Click to expand...

Oh how badly our fanbase needs a Viagra IV!

We used to kick the **** out of the SEC on a regular basis. Fwck bama and fwck dorito!!!!!
Click to expand...

Being the operative words
 
jerzeycane said:
If you don't think these classes are elite, you're just an idiot

There are 119 teams in the bowl subdivision

The 2014 incoming class of Miami Hurricanes will be almost assuredly be the 2nd time in the past 3 seasons that Al Golden has a class in the Top 11, according to the 247 composite (without question the most reputable source).

That puts them in the top 10% when it comes to acquiring talent.

The losing can be attributed to many things, including the fact that they have missed on some specific necessities, but to say that these classes aren't elite is purely ignorant on a litany of levels.

2 5 star running backs in the last 3 seasons
3 consecutive classes with an Elite 11 QB
Miami has probably recruited the offensive line better than anyone not named Alabama in the last 5 years.
A defensive backfield LITTERED with High School All-Americans
Chickillo, McCord, and AQM were ALL stud edge recruits
This '14 class has an inordinate amount of guys who can rush the passer at a very high level

Have they missed on an impact interior defensive line recruit? Most certainly, but I'm not of the belief that a miss in one area reduces a class to pedestrian status. There are PLENTY of schools who are fielding defenses with defensive tackles who have far lesser profiles than the ones we have and are succeeding.

Scheme...Youth...Lack of consistency at the most important position on the field

These are the reasons for our mediocrity. Not recruiting.
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Here are Golden's first 2 full classes. You tell me which position is elite or is building towards becoming elite with those two classes:


QB:
2012 Gray Crow: ***, has been expected to be a career back up at best since he committed
2012 David Thompson: **, Good at baseball
2012 Preston Dewey: ***, Retired
2013 Kevin Olsen: ****, Less than inspiring rumors circulating

RB:
2012 Duke Johnson: *****, Nothing really to say.
2012 Danny Dillard: ***, LOLWUT
2013 Augustus Edwards: ***, Looks like he can provide depth as a complimentary back

WR:
2012 Jontavious Varter: ***, Have gotten nothing
2012 Angelo Jean-Louis: ****, Gone, never got in
2012 D'Mauri Jones: ***, Have gotten nothing
2012 Herb Waters: ***, Has been pretty good, made some big plays
2012 Malcolm Lewis: ***, Looked pretty good until his ankle blew up
2012 Robert Lockhart: ***, Gone
2013 Ryheem Lockley: ***, Never made it
2013 Stacey Coley: ****, Baller
2013 Derrick Griffin: ****, Cool dunk highlights. Never made it.

OL:
2012 Taylor Gadbois: ***, Has he even played?
2012 Ereck Flowers: ****, Good player
2012 Danny Isidora: ***, Who?
2013 Alex Gall: ***, Rumors he may be looking to transfer
2013 Hunter Knighton: ***, Jersey!
2013 Sonny Odogwu: ***, One word, HUGE. As in huge guy and huge project

TE:
2013 Standish Dobard: ****, played some as a freshman
2013 Beau Sandland: ****, JUCO, did nothing really, one year left

DE:
2012 Jake O'Donnell: ***, Is he the guy we moved to TE? Or is it…
2012 Dwayne Hoilett: ***, Either way, nothing from both
2012 Jelani Hamilton: ****, At least he's played a little bit
2012 Tyriq McCord: ****, Only guy at DE worth a **** so far and he could be gone after this season. Criminally underused.
2013 AQM: ****, Looks like a baller

DT:
2012 Earl Moore: ***, Barely played, no one ever expected much
2012 Jacoby Briscoe: ***, Would have been a great pick up if we were putting together a League of Legends team, gone
2012 Dequan Ivery: ***, Is he DeGone Ivery yet?
2013 Ufomba Kamalu: **, Cool name.

LB:
2012 Raphael Kirby: ****, 2 seasons in and hasn't done much on one of the weakest units of the team
2012 Josh Witt: ***, Retired
2012 Gabe Terry: ***, Goon… I mean Gone.
2012 Jawand Blue: **, Meh
2013 Alex Figueroa: **, Looked like a player but got less and less snaps as the season went on
2013 Jermaine Grace: ***, Barely played, not sure about scheme fit.

CB:
2012 Larry Hope: ***, Has he even played?
2012 Vernon Davis: ***, Gone
2012 Nate Dortch: ***, Nothing.
2012 Ladarius Gunter: **, has been a solid starter
2012 Antonio Crawford: ***, at least he plays some
2012 Tracy Howard: *****, Looks like he'll be a good one.
2013 Artie Burns: ****, Played a lot, got beat a lot, looked like he had a clue at least
2013 Corn Elder: ****, Didn't play much but looks talented. Why is he not at RB?

S:
2012 Rayshawn Jenkins: ***, part-time starter, has looked pretty good
2012 Deon Bush: ****, Big freshman year, sophomore slump/injury
2013 Ray Lewis III: ***, No one expects much
2013 Jamal Carter: ****, Hyped but couldn't get PT with some bums getting snaps at the position
 
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jerzeycane said:
If you don't think these classes are elite, you're just an idiot

There are 119 teams in the bowl subdivision

The 2014 incoming class of Miami Hurricanes will be almost assuredly be the 2nd time in the past 3 seasons that Al Golden has a class in the Top 11, according to the 247 composite (without question the most reputable source).

That puts them in the top 10% when it comes to acquiring talent.

The losing can be attributed to many things, including the fact that they have missed on some specific necessities, but to say that these classes aren't elite is purely ignorant on a litany of levels.

2 5 star running backs in the last 3 seasons
3 consecutive classes with an Elite 11 QB
Miami has probably recruited the offensive line better than anyone not named Alabama in the last 5 years.
A defensive backfield LITTERED with High School All-Americans
Chickillo, McCord, and AQM were ALL stud edge recruits
This '14 class has an inordinate amount of guys who can rush the passer at a very high level

Have they missed on an impact interior defensive line recruit? Most certainly, but I'm not of the belief that a miss in one area reduces a class to pedestrian status. There are PLENTY of schools who are fielding defenses with defensive tackles who have far lesser profiles than the ones we have and are succeeding.

Scheme...Youth...Lack of consistency at the most important position on the field

These are the reasons for our mediocrity. Not recruiting.
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Tough to disagree with this. Facts are facts.
 
but are these classes elite? On paper, maybe. But the proof is in the pudding, these kids ain't elite
 
Which one is it, bad coaching the past decade or the players aren't elite? I notice the same folks flip-flopping their *****ing this morning. I guess as long as their *****ing about something they are ok, though...
 
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