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Glaring Weaknesses

BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I don't know how to send closed fists electronically, so I chose a poem...it just hit different didn't it?

1. Do you understand OL play? I do. Very well to be honest. I just don't know the schemes they're calling pre-snap and what their assignments are supposed to be (ie, who is supposed to roll off the double team to the second level and who stays locked with the DT). Do you understand that PFF grades are made without the evaluators knowing what the assignments are? Do you also understand that Cici, Bell and Cooper are playing at ALL ACC levels? You want to tell me Brockermeyer is a glaring weakness, SHOW ME using multiple clips from multiple games of him getting manhandled, driven backwards and/or giving up sacks and pressures. I have yet to see that. When I see that, I'll agree he's a GLARING WEAKNESS. Til then, he's not even a concern.

2. Moore's one game was against USF. I mentioned it earlie in this thread. But that's not a big deal to pick apart - small error on your end, again no biggie. I don't know who the third WR is because we haven't really had ONE GUY step into that role. Sometimes it's Marion, sometimes it's Johnson. I thought it would be Jojo, but Jojo is NoSho so far this year. Our RBs have caught some passes as have both TEs (Not counting Luka cuz I don't feel like it). Worrying about a true 3rd WR is a luxury issue, not a glaring weakness.

3. Penalties. 6/51 against ND. 9/69 against USF. Florida 6/30. FSU 13/114. I excluded Bethune Cookman because I did. 2 of the 4 games are what I would call normal levels of penalties (ND and Florida) and half the penalties in the UF game were Brockermeyer illegally snapping. USF game was borderline and FSU was atrocious. So 1 game was atrocious - I'll grant you that. It was also our biggest rivalry game. I didn't bother to verify your numbers - I assume they're true. We have one game that has distorted the statistics. Is there roome for improvement? God yes there is. Is it a glaring weakness? No, not yet anyway.

4. DT Depth. This has some merit. However, in today's game of NIL and transfer portal, what teams don't have DT depth concerns?

So now that I've wasted my 15 minute break at Wal-Mart, I hope you feel better that I answered your questions. Yes, these areas have some concern attached to them. However, calling them glaing weaknesses is too far for me. I'm not some ostrich burying my head in the sand. I'm just a fan and alum who sees the best team we've fielded in 2 decades, that isn't perfect, but is 100% relevant in the national picture.
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So, DT depth has merit. Penalties have merit. WR depth has merit. And supposedly you know OL play. Okay. Thanks for the response.

I'm right.
 
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The weaknesses are depth not getting playing time to develop and penalties. This hard headed staff must get depth players playing the rest of this schedule. If they develop that depth and we stay relatively healthy, this teammis a legitimate contender.
 
Cribby said:
He’s solid but lacks some strength. He can get mauled by bigger guys which most centers will struggle with. I mean he’s listed 295

Lowe really bummed me out because I knew he was the third guy that could play all three downs , four if ya count Blount who’s more of a utility guy that fills in inside and outside. As for Cole I assumed he be back sometime after the second bye but that doesn’t look like it’s happening.
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Cole was dressed out Saturday
 
P-Tizzle said:
So, DT depth has merit. Penalties have merit. WR depth has merit. And supposedly you know OL play. Okay. Thanks for the response.

I'm right.
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No you're an idiot who doesn't understand nuance.

But yeah tell yourself you're right. I gotta go stock some more shelves now. We're hiring in case you'd like to get a job. Apply at walmart.com.

I'll be at the SMU game. Meet me in the Blue Lot. :)
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I just replied to someone else with this:

Penalties. 6/51 against ND. 9/69 against USF. Florida 6/30. FSU 13/114. I excluded Bethune Cookman
FSU penalties were bad and helped them creep close at the end. ND and Florida were in the acceptable range, especially when you consider that HALF the penalties in the UiF game were on Brockermeyer's twitchy hand.

If the trend continues, then yes, glaring weakness. Until then, something to monitor.
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But the trend has literally been that weve gotten more penalties or penalty yardage than all our opponents. Quite literally every single game this yr we have doubled our opponents in either penalties, penalty yards, or both. That is bad no matter how anyone wants to spin it. **** is relative too. And relative to our opponents and our offensive gameplan/style of no explosive runs, and few explosive passes before this FSU game, it’s having a very negative impact on our Offense.

This yr through 5 games our opponents are averaging 3.4 pen/game to our 7.6 pen/game, and 23 yards/game to our 62.8 yards/game . ******* over 2x the penalties of our opponents and over 2.5x the yards.

Last yr opponents had 5.1 pen/g to our 6.6, and 39.5 yards/g to our 63.5 yards/game… you don’t think that’s bad
 
1. Players don’t know how to handle prosperity


To me this is the biggest concern. Last year we were in dogfights all season long. Players had to play 4 quarters if we wanted to win. To their credit, they usually did that. But now the team is complete on both sides of the ball and can jump out to early leads. I think a few players feel like they can go on cruise control. Fortunately we have built up enough of a lead that we can weather a comeback but it’s not easy to suddenly have to click off cruise control and step on the accelerator again. I can’t blame coaches too much, this is a maturity and experience issue.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
No you're an idiot who doesn't understand nuance.

But yeah tell yourself you're right. I gotta go stock some more shelves now. We're hiring in case you'd like to get a job. Apply at walmart.com.

I'll be at the SMU game. Meet me in the Blue Lot. :)
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The SMU game is in Dallas.
 
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Cane30 said:
The weaknesses are depth not getting playing time to develop and penalties. This hard headed staff must get depth players playing the rest of this schedule. If they develop that depth and we stay relatively healthy, this teammis a legitimate contender.
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My thought is really that given our dumbass bye week scheduling, there really just has been very little reason to get extended rest to the starters thus far ESPECIALLY when you factor our 3 toughest opponents coming into the year we’re all within our first 5 games. And Louisville is likely the 4th hardest out of our first 6 games!

So now we get a Friday game off a bye giving an extended rest day heading into the worst opponent likely on our schedule, so I’d expect a lot of snaps from starters against lousiville again (though they pass a lot so our speed rushers like Lightfoot and Pickett should see more snaps too, and maybe Blay a little less with Blount and Simpson more DT)… then we probably rest starters at some point against Stanford.

After Stanford game is when we really need the rotation to be ready to kick in. Because we are going to need these guys fully healthy and not worn out come ACC CG.
 
Penalties is definitely the glaring weakness. WAY TOO many.

Depth at EDGE could be a concern. Mesidor and Bain hardly ever left the field. Booker, McConathy, and Bryant(he still a DE?) that bad? I guess you could lump Blount as an edge but I see him more inside more than outside.
 
Calinative said:
But the trend has literally been that weve gotten more penalties or penalty yardage than all our opponents. Quite literally every single game this yr we have doubled our opponents in either penalties, penalty yards, or both. That is bad no matter how anyone wants to spin it. **** is relative too. And relative to our opponents and our offensive gameplan/style of no explosive runs, and few explosive passes before this FSU game, it’s having a very negative impact on our Offense.

This yr through 5 games our opponents are averaging 3.4 pen/game to our 7.6 pen/game, and 23 yards/game to our 62.8 yards/game . ******* over 2x the penalties of our opponents and over 2.5x the yards.

Last yr opponents had 5.1 pen/g to our 6.6, and 39.5 yards/g to our 63.5 yards/game… you don’t think that’s bad
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I've heard this for my entire lifetime. I saw the Cotton Bowl. And I loved it. Yes, I'm not comparing apples to apples.
I'm not applauding the penalties. I'm not saying they're not a concern. I am 100% saying they're not a glaring weakness. They may become one if the upward trend continues. However, a couple counter points.... 1. The defense was gassed in the 4th Q largely because we couldn't make a first down on offense. As a result, some stupidity set in (ahem, Armondo Blount). 2. How many holds against FSU were called? I watched several of our guys get tackled by their blockers, yet the flags stayed in the refs' pockets.

I'm not trying to spin this any sort of way. I don't see the penalties as a glaring weakness at this point in time. That may change. I'm not arguing your statistical data *. Simply saying that the FSU results skewed those numbers quite a bit. We averaged 6.25 penalties per game with 50.75 yds against when FSU is omitted. Call it 6 penalties for 50 yards a game. I can live with that. Yes, I'm manipulating the statistics. I'm doing it to illustrate that the the significance of the FSU penalties as they added almost a penalty and a half to our average per game and an extra 13 yards per game.

* I just checked and accoring to https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/team/miami-hurricanes/stats , our penalty stats are worse than you wrote. However, the median penalties per game across NCAA D1 is between 6.0 and 6.2. We are averaging 8.5, so 2.5 more per game (again, thank FSU game). Median penalty yards are around 53 ypg. We are at 66; so 13 yards over the median (again, thanks FSU game). Therefore, IF the FSU game was an anomaly like I'm asserting, we are middle of the pack regarding penalties. If we continue this upward trend, it becomes a problem.

That's all. I tried to keep this respectful and didn't mean any snarky sarcasm or insults. I'm saving them for someone else....
 
How many teams left on our sched play enough uptempo to push our D players into 70+ snaps, though? Same for playoff caliber teams when we get to that part of the season?

This said so long as we don't go into a shell w/ a bunch of conservative 3 and outs in the 4th quarter like we just saw.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
1. The defense was gassed in the 4th Q largely because we couldn't make a first down on offense.
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The first drive of the 4th quarter, after we had 3 successful runs and a first down to start it, got scuttled because of a penalty though. We had moved up and down the field on them in the second half to that point. Was a pivotal point in the game.
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I've heard this for my entire lifetime. I saw the Cotton Bowl. And I loved it. Yes, I'm not comparing apples to apples.
I'm not applauding the penalties. I'm not saying they're not a concern. I am 100% saying they're not a glaring weakness. They may become one if the upward trend continues. However, a couple counter points.... 1. The defense was gassed in the 4th Q largely because we couldn't make a first down on offense. As a result, some stupidity set in (ahem, Armondo Blount). 2. How many holds against FSU were called? I watched several of our guys get tackled by their blockers, yet the flags stayed in the refs' pockets.

I'm not trying to spin this any sort of way. I don't see the penalties as a glaring weakness at this point in time. That may change. I'm not arguing your statistical data *. Simply saying that the FSU results skewed those numbers quite a bit. We averaged 6.25 penalties per game with 50.75 yds against when FSU is omitted. Call it 6 penalties for 50 yards a game. I can live with that. Yes, I'm manipulating the statistics. I'm doing it to illustrate that the the significance of the FSU penalties as they added almost a penalty and a half to our average per game and an extra 13 yards per game.

* I just checked and accoring to https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/team/miami-hurricanes/stats , our penalty stats are worse than you wrote. However, the median penalties per game across NCAA D1 is between 6.0 and 6.2. We are averaging 8.5, so 2.5 more per game (again, thank FSU game). Median penalty yards are around 53 ypg. We are at 66; so 13 yards over the median (again, thanks FSU game). Therefore, IF the FSU game was an anomaly like I'm asserting, we are middle of the pack regarding penalties. If we continue this upward trend, it becomes a problem.

That's all. I tried to keep this respectful and didn't mean any snarky sarcasm or insults. I'm saving them for someone else....
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What’s the difference between a concern and a glaring weakness?
 
flips said:
The first drive of the 4th quarter, after we had 3 successful runs and a first down to start it, got scuttled because of a penalty though. We had moved up and down the field on them in the second half to that point. Was a pivotal point in the game.
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The penalty on Mali's third TD was probably more scuttling.
I had to google scuttle just cuz I'm a weirdo like that...

Verb. To sink (one's own ship) deliberately by holing it or opening its seacocks to let water in.
 
P-Tizzle said:
What’s the difference between a concern and a glaring weakness?
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To you, obviously nothing. To me, a concern as it applies to football like we're talking on this forum, is something negative in nature to the benfit of the team that could become problematic. It is a negative trend; something that can be cleaned up with film study and practice. A glaring weakness is much further down the scale of concern and insinuates imminent defeat if not rectified immediately.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
To you, obviously nothing. To me, a concern as it applies to football like we're talking on this forum, is something negative in nature to the benfit of the team that could become problematic. It is a negative trend; something that can be cleaned up with film study and practice. A glaring weakness is much further down the scale of concern and insinuates imminent defeat if not rectified immediately.
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So DL depth and penalties is not a glaring weakness of this Hurricanes team?

And glaring weakness is not a concern although it’s on the scale of concern? Okay
 
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