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Jaromir Jagr

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Wrong.

But you don't really know anything about roster management as we all saw in your laughable JUCO claims.
Okay, so we had guys who could play at this level (top-heavy), and we did the right thing by bringing in JUCO guys, but we somehow missed the tournament two years in a row.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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But you don't really know anything about roster management as we all saw in your laughable JUCO claims.
The JUCO debacle was the most obvious mismanagement of all. That one isn't even debatable.
 

Peter Gibbons

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Okay, so we had guys who could play at this level (top-heavy), and we did the right thing by bringing in JUCO guys, but we somehow missed the tournament two years in a row.
There's no right of wrong thing.

They had 5th year guys (Barr, Michelangeli), they had 4 year starters (Lopez, Ruiz), they had 3-n-out guys (Collins, Abreu, Heyward, Garcia).

There wasn't a lot of room for anyone else and that's why the 2015 class (the one with Cabezas) was really small and when they didn't hit on it they were left with a gap.

It's all perfectly easy to understand but you still struggle with it.
 

Peter Gibbons

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The JUCO debacle was the most obvious mismanagement of all. That one isn't even debatable.
You got the basic facts wrong and made claims that were demonstrably false.

They got almost zero from a JUCO All-American that was expected to be a plug-n-play guy that anybody would've taken.

To chalk that up to just conscious roster mismanagement is the kind of dishonesty we've come to expect from you.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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There's no right of wrong thing.

They had 5th year guys (Barr, Michelangeli), they had 4 year starters (Lopez, Ruiz), they had 3-n-out guys (Collins, Abreu, Heyward, Garcia).

There wasn't a lot of room for anyone else and that's why the 2015 class (the one with Cabezas) was really small and when they didn't hit on it they were left with a gap.

It's all perfectly easy to understand but you still struggle with it.
There was room for six JUCO hitters, who had a combined 550 at bats in 2017. So don't tell me that there wasn't room.

Those six JUCO JAGS batted a combined .224 in 2017. There was room for those six guys, but no room for six freshmen.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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You got the basic facts wrong and made claims that were demonstrably false.

They got almost zero from a JUCO All-American that was expected to be a plug-n-play guy that anybody would've taken.

To chalk that up to just conscious roster mismanagement is the kind of dishonesty we've come to expect from you.
That's one guy. We brought in five others who also did very little. And if the roster was "top heavy", why would you bring in six more juniors to ensure that literally two guys would have experience going into 2019?
 

Jaromir Jagr

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There wasn't a lot of room for anyone else and that's why the 2015 class (the one with Cabezas) was really small and when they didn't hit on it they were left with a gap.
We know there was a gap, and we filled that gap with JUCO guys. They panicked and tried to put a quick band aid on it. We are still paying for that.
 

Peter Gibbons

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They panicked and tried to put a quick band aid on it. We are still paying for that.
It's pathological with you.

By the time they needed some JUCO guys to supplement it was too late to "get freshmen" that would've been worth a damn.

Your "solution" was basically to give Nico Baldor more ABs or at the very least, recruit MORE Nico Baldor's.

It was stupid when you first said it and it's stupid now.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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It's pathological with you.

By the time they needed some JUCO guys to supplement it was too late to "get freshmen" that would've been worth a damn.

Your "solution" was basically to give Nico Baldor more ABs or at the very least, recruit MORE Nico Baldor's.

It was stupid when you first said it and it's stupid now.
We had a horrendous recruiting plan, so we were forced to take James Davison and Brandon Gali. So we missed that postseason because those guys stunk, then we missed the next postseason because we had to run a bunch of freshmen out there due to the fact that the JUCO guys stunk, and now we're in 9th place in the ACC in year three. All because of a horrendous recruiting plan that made them panic.
 

Peter Gibbons

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I see that you have no other response to the fact that we had room for six JUCO guys to get 550 ABs.
No, you're just missing the point or being purposefully ignorant so you don't have to change your stance.

The 2015 recruiting class (who were freshmen in 2016) was small because the roster didn't turnover. In other words, they didn't have money to give out and didn't have playing time available for a lot of freshmen.

The class misses on the few HS recruits and then in 2016 they brought in several JUCO players.

Your timeline is wrong as usual.
 

Peter Gibbons

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We had a horrendous recruiting plan, so we were forced to take James Davison and Brandon Gali. So we missed that postseason because those guys stunk, then we missed the next postseason because we had to run a bunch of freshmen out there due to the fact that the JUCO guys stunk, and now we're in 9th place in the ACC in year three. All because of a horrendous recruiting plan that made them panic.
You're still wrong and grasping for straws to make your preconceived notions come true.

List of bunk theories by Jagr:

Soft-tossing lefties

Loading up on JUCO's because of "panic"

Recruiting too many Perfect Game All-Stars

On and on.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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No, you're just missing the point or being purposefully ignorant so you don't have to change your stance.

The 2015 recruiting class (who were freshmen in 2016) was small because the roster didn't turnover. In other words, they didn't have money to give out and didn't have playing time available for a lot of freshmen.

The class misses on the few HS recruits and then in 2016 they brought in several JUCO players.

Your timeline is wrong as usual.
My timeline is spot on, because the players who played on the field in 2017 were mediocre D1 players who had been with us or they were JUCO guys who stunk. No one argues that there was a gap, but most people also don't argue that the approach to the gap was ill-advised and cost us a year.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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You're still wrong and grasping for straws to make your preconceived notions comes true.

List of bunk theories by Jagr:

Soft-tossing lefties

Loading up on JUCO's because of "panic"

Recruiting too many Perfect Game All-Stars

On and on.
I win again as you have no answer to what I actually wrote. And all three of those "theories" are correct, as we sit here like the basketball program hoping we can win a few more games to actually make the NCAA tournament.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Your "solution" was basically to give Nico Baldor more ABs or at the very least, recruit MORE Nico Baldor's.
Nico Baldor hit better than five of the six JUCO guys that came in for the 2017 season.
 

Peter Gibbons

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My timeline is spot on, because the players who played on the field in 2017 were mediocre D1 players who had been with us or they were JUCO guys who stunk.
No it's not.

The cake was already baked by the 2016 class. The roster was full and the 2015 class tanked. Therefore, they needed guys who could play now.

Giving Nico Baldor more ABs isn't a solution. Recruiting more of him isn't a solution. He's not any good. The solution is enrolling the Zamora class. Then following up with the Del Castillo class. You can't make that happen through magical thinking.
 

Peter Gibbons

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No one argues that there was a gap, but most people also don't argue that the approach to the gap was ill-advised and cost us a year.
No it didn't.

You're just making it up that somehow Nico Baldor, et al would've "saved" the 2018 season which is ludicrous.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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No it's not.

The cake was already baked by the 2016 class. The roster was full and the 2015 class tanked. Therefore, they needed guys who could play now.

Giving Nico Baldor more ABs isn't a solution. Recruiting more of him isn't a solution. He's not any good. The solution is enrolling the Zamora class. Then following up with the Del Castillo class. You can't make that happen through magical thinking.
By getting guys "who could play now", they missed two postseasons instead of one. They panicked.
 
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