FSU testing the waters?

[Rickd]

Absolutely, @Hurracanes is another one who should be heavily credited, but I can also tell you that the Miami-Clemson buddy-system was reported almost immediately (and I'm one who has referred to it frequently).

Dan's protege got the Clemson job, and they are tightly connected. People were surprised when I told them not to focus on "F$U" as our buddy, but Clemson. Now it's becoming very clear.

Well I recall CLEARLY reading on here virtually after Rad took the job that "UM and Clemson are joined at the hip" in researching and developing an exit strategy from the ACC". Don't recall WHO made the comment ... might have been you or DMoney ... but the point has been crystal clear that Miami is in a leadership role insofar as "ACC exit". FSU is making some noise now to be sure they are part of the party. For football those are the big 3 with national brand recognition in the ACC, and then there are programs that make 'regional' sense (UNC, UVA, Pitt, Va Tech). So that could give you 7 programs right there.

 

[TooColdToHold]

I have a friend who is a big FSU booster. He dropped some info a lunch yesterday. He says, that FSU has been in discussions with ESPN about transferring the school's media rights from the ACC contract to the SEC contract. He claims that would mean that FSU would only have to pay the ACC departure fee and not have a negative impact of the ACC's grant of rights deal. He also said that he believed that Clemson was also having the same discussions. Miami was not. I do not know if this is true, but he is connected to the FSU insiders.................

I think your friend is full of crap. ESPN has an overall deal with the ACC, not individual schools. The ACC has media rights to its member schools, so if FSU jumps ship they still have to deal with the GOR agreement made with the conference.

 

[Empirical Cane]

So not only are you an expert on every topic known to man, but you’re one of the greatest legal minds when it comes to sports business. I’m really impressed.

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And it appears you can deftly move from reasonable to raging bleeding **** douchebag with little effort.

I'm really impressed.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Well I recall CLEARLY reading on here virtually after Rad took the job that "UM and Clemson are joined at the hip" in researching and developing an exit strategy from the ACC". Don't recall WHO made the comment ... might have been you or DMoney ... but the point has been crystal clear that Miami is in a leadership role insofar as "ACC exit". FSU is making some noise now to be sure they are part of the party. For football those are the big 3 with national brand recognition in the ACC, and then there are programs that make 'regional' sense (UNC, UVA, Pitt, Va Tech). So that could give you 7 programs right there.

I personally used two phrases, "buddy system" and "joined at the hip". I'm not trying to claim credit or trademark those phrases, but I believe that several of us were talking about UM-Clemson being the driving force very early in the process.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

And it appears you can deftly move from reasonable to raging bleeding **** douchebag with little effort.

I'm really impressed.

Ooof, I touched a nerve.

So you’re also an expert on bleeding ***** and douchebaggery as well? Not surprised. You really are a renaissance man.

Tell us more. Regale us with your expertise.

 

[Ispyin]

Oh lord...

We have leverage to ask for unequal distributions, because the alternative to the smaller/lesser schools will DEFINITELY pay them less money.

We do not have equal leverage to pursue every avenue AT THIS MOMENT. I know you'll have to come back in a year or two to check my math, but these first shots across the bow are part of a very well-choreographed effort. The ACC is not long for this world.

Yeah, he thinks Clemson FSU and then Miami coming out with statements is just random.

 

[Ispyin]

I see it was just leaked by the media so I can share Big 12 is in desperate mode and trying to think outside the box to save their conference. They are approaching several big name programs aggressively. Miami is listening.

That being siad, I think it is too little, too late. I still think it will be SEC or Big 10.

Like I listen to my wife

 

[Ispyin]

Bottom line we need to win. Otherwise, our attraction for the Big 2 goes down significantly regardless of our media market. Hopefully we didn't wait too late to start caring about football again and investing in the product. I still don't see anyone from the ACC going anywhere for another 3-5 years. That GOR is going to be difficult to navigate.

We need to win but this is wrong on every level. It’s happening now- 12 months. One year of winning is not changing one **** thing on the chess board. Period.

 

[kccanefan]

We need to win but this is wrong on every level. It’s happening now- 12 months. One year of winning is not changing one **** thing on the chess board. Period.

So, you're saying someone is leaving the ACC within 12 months. Don't see that happening.

 

[Ispyin]

I personally used two phrases, "buddy system" and "joined at the hip". I'm not trying to claim credit or trademark those phrases, but I believe that several of us were talking about UM-Clemson being the driving force very early in the process.

Yup. Still have the receipts and dms

 

[Ispyin]

So, you're saying someone is leaving the ACC within 12 months. Don't see that happening.

Oh my God this board. No the negotiations and contract Discussions are going on right now. whether Miami is a winning program this year or next year for that matter is irrelevant to how this is all going to play out

 

[Yoyo423]

I see it was just leaked by the media so I can share Big 12 is in desperate mode and trying to think outside the box to save their conference. They are approaching several big name programs aggressively. Miami is listening.

That being siad, I think it is too little, too late. I still think it will be SEC or Big 10.

this is the point I've been making.. the Big12 is desperate and will offer many different programs.. if they get 5 ACC programs (not counting FSU, Clemson, and Miami who have landing spots in the B1G or SEC) to listen, who can make more money by jumping, then you have 8 programs willing and able to leave and make more money. That should be enough to end the conference...

 

[kccanefan]

Oh my God this board. No the negotiations and contract Discussions are going on right now. whether Miami is a winning program this year or next year for that matter is irrelevant to how this is all going to play out

Be a little less vague in your previous message so I won’t upset you by not being able to read your mind to know exactly what you’re talking about.

 

[Alex Del Piero]

this is the point I've been making.. the Big12 is desperate and will offer many different programs.. if they get 5 ACC programs (not counting FSU, Clemson, and Miami who have landing spots in the B1G or SEC) to listen, who can make more money by jumping, then you have 8 programs willing and able to leave and make more money. That should be enough to end the conference...

It's noteworthy to me that even if is lower than the ACC TV deal the new Big 12 TV deal will last only until 2030/2031. That means that the conference will be able to start a new negotiation again in 4/5 years from now, way before the end of the ACC deal (2036).

They have a lot of flexibility and with that deal they basically killed the Pac-12.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think your friend is full of crap. ESPN has an overall deal with the ACC, not individual schools. The ACC has media rights to its member schools, so if FSU jumps ship they still have to deal with the GOR agreement made with the conference.

I'll say something that should bridge what both you and @TpaBayFlyFisher are saying. Maybe a couple of things.

First, the F$U fans are just speculating about a "method". Whether F$U attempts that or not...is different from whether that approach actually WORKS. So I don't think "transferring GOR from ACC to SEC" is quite the silver bullet that F$U fans claim it to be.

Wanna know why? Because the SEC and Big 10 DON'T HAVE GORs. They don't need them. They are RICH. The only poor saps with GOR issues are the ACC, the Big 12 and the Pac 12.

Second, the GOR situation is INCREDIBLY effective if, say, ONE school wants to leave. Or two. BUT IT HAS NOT YET BEEN TESTED WHEN HALF THE CONFERENCE WANTS TO LEAVE. And I honestly believe that if half of the ACC wants to move on, the conference (as we know it) will die, and no monetary damages whatsoever will be paid FOR THE GOR ISSUE. "Exit fees"? Sure. GOR damages? I highly doubt.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So, you're saying someone is leaving the ACC within 12 months. Don't see that happening.

Six or eight someones.

 

[kccanefan]

Six or eight someones.

 

[Yoyo423]

I'll say something that should bridge what both you and @TpaBayFlyFisher are saying. Maybe a couple of things.

First, the F$U fans are just speculating about a "method". Whether F$U attempts that or not...is different from whether that approach actually WORKS. So I don't think "transferring GOR from ACC to SEC" is quite the silver bullet that F$U fans claim it to be.

Wanna know why? Because the SEC and Big 10 DON'T HAVE GORs. They don't need them. They are RICH. The only poor saps with GOR issues are the ACC, the Big 12 and the Pac 12.

Second, the GOR situation is INCREDIBLY effective if, say, ONE school wants to leave. Or two. BUT IT HAS NOT YET BEEN TESTED WHEN HALF THE CONFERENCE WANTS TO LEAVE. And I honestly believe that if half of the ACC wants to move on, the conference (as we know it) will die, and no monetary damages whatsoever will be paid FOR THE GOR ISSUE. "Exit fees"? Sure. GOR damages? I highly doubt.

yeah but even the exit fees go to the ACC teams right? so if it causes the conference to dissolve, then who gets the money? no chance the 7 schools leaving are giving the exit fees to the 7 schools remaining.. seems like as the conference is dissolving all 14 schools would find new homes, even if some of them had to step down to lesser conferences...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

yeah but even the exit fees go to the ACC teams right? so if it causes the conference to dissolve, then who gets the money? no chance the 7 schools leaving are giving the exit fees to the 7 schools remaining.. seems like as the conference is dissolving all 14 schools would find new homes, even if some of them had to step down to lesser conferences...

So the source of the money and the use of the money are different for the conference agreement vs. the GOR agreement. I realize that more than half of the ACC "choosing to leave" would raise the argument "why pay exit fees at all?", but I could see a point where the teams that are leaving pay SOMETHING (maybe not 120M) so that the schools that remain can rebuild a new league.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Oh my God this board. No the negotiations and contract Discussions are going on right now. whether Miami is a winning program this year or next year for that matter is irrelevant to how this is all going to play out

Curious take.

I suspect there are some in SEC/Big 10, right or wrong, that view Miami as a program far past its prime and never coming back.

Given the prevailing view on an ironclad ACC GoR, can someone walk us through what supposed "leverage" Miami has?