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It's no coincidence we havent been elite since our last QB that plays to elite standards graduated.... Bad coaching hurts too but mediocre qb play has crippled a few seasons
 
tbaycane said:
It's no coincidence we havent been elite since our last QB that plays to elite standards graduated.... Bad coaching hurts too but mediocre qb play has crippled a few seasons
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Yep, that's the only problem here. brad Kaaya led the ACC in almost every meaningful stat last year but our QB play is the reason we went 6-7.
 
561Cane said:
In order to be premier, you have to pay like a premier program. And the last time I checked, Golden is around 50 in pay to his peers and asst coaches are in the 30's.

When UM wants to pay a staff top salaries, top 15-20, then let me know. Until then, we will be average...
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Great point. Because UM is over-paying the worst HC in football that means UM doesn't pay enough to get a good HC.
 
561Cane said:
In order to be premier, you have to pay like a premier program. And the last time I checked, Golden is around 50 in pay to his peers and asst coaches are in the 30's.

When UM wants to pay a staff top salaries, top 15-20, then let me know. Until then, we will be average...
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People must understand there's no way around this.
 
weownfsu said:
tbaycane said:
It's no coincidence we havent been elite since our last QB that plays to elite standards graduated.... Bad coaching hurts too but mediocre qb play has crippled a few seasons
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Yep, that's the only problem here. brad Kaaya led the ACC in almost every meaningful stat last year but our QB play is the reason we went 6-7.
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These guys want so badly for it not to be Folden.
 
If not, Miami will be the country’s premier job in the upcoming carousel.

This is still true for real talented up and coming coaches rather than frauds and retards.
 
MIATL said:
First, I agree ... Miami is STILL a "premier" job.

But virtually none of the guys you list as candidates would be viewed as a "premier" hire.

If we end up with any of those guys, it would actually suggest Miami is NOT a "premier" job.

Nobody wanted Schiano this last go round ... Moss has never been a HC or a DC ... Davis seems to be on the outside looking in because of the UNC situation ... And Pruitt hasn't done anything except coach players other DC's recruited and developed.

Stealing another HC from a Power 5 conference would suggest we are still "premier", or taking an OC/DC from a top level Power 5 team would say the same. As would grabbing an NFL OC/DC. Outside of those candidates, anything less than a conference winning coach from the Mountain West or AAC would be a another knock against the program, IMO ...

Gator Hatar said:
tbaycane said:
It actually is STILL a premeire job, believe it or not. Its a much quicker fixer upper than anywhere else in CFB with USC being tied. Literally a phone call away from greatness

Marinate on that
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My fellow TB Cane. You are so on point! It would be easy for a professional caliber staff to recruit and win at the top 5 level at Miami. Only an absolute certifiable fool would think the U of Miami can't ascend back to the top of college football! A phone call to any of the following would put us in the top 5 in recruiting and wins:

1. Greg Schiano. I think Miami id the call he's waiting for.
2. Winston Moss. Dude got everything going for himself and lets not down play the potential of hiring an AA coach.
3. Butch Davis. In Butch I Trust, but ****! That dweeb of administrators and AD might be too politically correct and afraid.
4. Jeremy Pruitt. He can really coach defense and I think he's the next hot commodity and deservingly.
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I'd be okay with schiano but i really like Jim leavitt the rest of the coaches mentioned were no good. Butch being unrealistic.
 
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canez****** said:
MIATL said:
First, I agree ... Miami is STILL a "premier" job.

But virtually none of the guys you list as candidates would be viewed as a "premier" hire.

If we end up with any of those guys, it would actually suggest Miami is NOT a "premier" job.

Nobody wanted Schiano this last go round ... Moss has never been a HC or a DC ... Davis seems to be on the outside looking in because of the UNC situation ... And Pruitt hasn't done anything except coach players other DC's recruited and developed.

Stealing another HC from a Power 5 conference would suggest we are still "premier", or taking an OC/DC from a top level Power 5 team would say the same. As would grabbing an NFL OC/DC. Outside of those candidates, anything less than a conference winning coach from the Mountain West or AAC would be a another knock against the program, IMO ...

Gator Hatar said:
tbaycane said:
It actually is STILL a premeire job, believe it or not. Its a much quicker fixer upper than anywhere else in CFB with USC being tied. Literally a phone call away from greatness

Marinate on that
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My fellow TB Cane. You are so on point! It would be easy for a professional caliber staff to recruit and win at the top 5 level at Miami. Only an absolute certifiable fool would think the U of Miami can't ascend back to the top of college football! A phone call to any of the following would put us in the top 5 in recruiting and wins:

1. Greg Schiano. I think Miami id the call he's waiting for.
2. Winston Moss. Dude got everything going for himself and lets not down play the potential of hiring an AA coach.
3. Butch Davis. In Butch I Trust, but ****! That dweeb of administrators and AD might be too politically correct and afraid.
4. Jeremy Pruitt. He can really coach defense and I think he's the next hot commodity and deservingly.
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I'd be okay with schiano but i really like Jim leavitt the rest of the coaches mentioned were no good. Butch being unrealistic.
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Agreed
 
“You can be as talented as you want to be, but if you turn the ball over as much as you take it away, it’s going to be really hard to win games,” Golden said last month. “It’s the little things, not doing those little things, that make it really hard to unlock your talent.

But it starts with me, guysm.
 
Biscuits said:
“You can be as talented as you want to be, but if you turn the ball over as much as you take it away, it’s going to be really hard to win games,” Golden said last month. “It’s the little things, not doing those little things, that make it really hard to unlock your talent.

But it starts with me, guysm.
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Golden is ******* delusional. Turnovers happen. The best teams turn the ball over. Golden thinks the "key" here is to just eliminate turnovers completely, which will never happen. The key is to have a team that is good enough to overcome mistakes and a coaching staff that lets them do it. We have neither.
 
Can't remember which, maybe FSU, was tops in turnovers, but still made the playoff. I think.
 
weownfsu said:
Biscuits said:
“You can be as talented as you want to be, but if you turn the ball over as much as you take it away, it’s going to be really hard to win games,” Golden said last month. “It’s the little things, not doing those little things, that make it really hard to unlock your talent.

But it starts with me, guysm.
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Golden is ******* delusional. Turnovers happen. The best teams turn the ball over. Golden thinks the "key" here is to just eliminate turnovers completely, which will never happen. The key is to have a team that is good enough to overcome mistakes and a coaching staff that lets them do it. We have neither.
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Last year we were 66th in turnover margin and went 6-7, Alabama was 71st and finished 12-2. Can't explain that.
 
OzarCaneSaw said:
weownfsu said:
Biscuits said:
“You can be as talented as you want to be, but if you turn the ball over as much as you take it away, it’s going to be really hard to win games,” Golden said last month. “It’s the little things, not doing those little things, that make it really hard to unlock your talent.

But it starts with me, guysm.
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Golden is ****ing delusional. Turnovers happen. The best teams turn the ball over. Golden thinks the "key" here is to just eliminate turnovers completely, which will never happen. The key is to have a team that is good enough to overcome mistakes and a coaching staff that lets them do it. We have neither.
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Last year we were 66th in turnover margin and went 6-7, Alabama was 71st and finished 12-2. Can't explain that.
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You guys don't give Fraulden enough credit. He's not delusional. He doesn't believe what he's saying. He's deliberately obfuscating cherry-picked stats to fool the Slurpers.

The Fraulden certainly is slick about most things, EXCEPT FOOTBALL!!!
 
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tsimonitis said:
MizCane said:
To be quite honest Golden did a good job getting us through the mess and putting building blocks in place for the future. He just doesn't have it in him to coach a championship caliber team/program. It getting close to time to pass the torch to someone who can take us to another level.
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Did he actually do this? Penn St has been to and won a bowl game since they were "clouded"
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And their cloud was much nastier than ours.
 
VA_Cane_54 said:
tsimonitis said:
MizCane said:
To be quite honest Golden did a good job getting us through the mess and putting building blocks in place for the future. He just doesn't have it in him to coach a championship caliber team/program. It getting close to time to pass the torch to someone who can take us to another level.
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Did he actually do this? Penn St has been to and won a bowl game since they were "clouded"
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And their cloud was much nastier than ours.
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A better comparison to our plight was *SU. Same time frame wrt investigation, same result, same punishment, new coach. The difference? Nat champ vs 4th place in Coastal
 
Golden and James are an embarrassment! This kind of little league crap should get you fired but it doesn't here, it gets you an extension
 
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