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My opinion on this sensitive subject to share , I just want to see how people feel on this.

Here goes : Like any new job there's a job description given before offering a job position with pros and cons of performing job task. It's the applicants free will to accept or decline the offer with all information shared.
Imagine huge game and trainers tell the player nope not good can play second half put your street clothes on and we'll get medical check up after game , do you honestly believe most NFL players go " ok I understand " NOT they usually say shoot me up,give me pain relievers or anything U can find to get me back on the field for second half or back on the field during the game.
My issue is these players know prior to playing of the threat but decide anyway to ignore then years later when there about to become catatonic want to sue there team and NFL for there decision.

Can a soldier sue the government for there battle injuries or a policemen , firemen and any other job knowing what they signed up for even when they're given a written warning of the possibilities and choose to take the job.

U play in the NFL U know U will get hit day after day then cry oh I'm hurt I have migraines and other issue WHY IT'S NOT MY FAULT......I JUST DON'T GET IT.

Maybe me being a realist just don't get it , contrasting point of view welcome.

GOCANES
 
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After decades of denial the NFL has only recently acknowledged the dangers of blows to the head, concussions and other brain related trauma. There are thousands of former players who had no idea about the long term ramifications of what football would do to them.

I suggest you read this article before taking such a smiplistic position on this:

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article149374959.html

I love football as much as anyone, but it's days of existence the way we know it are numbered.
 
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It's somewhat analogous to smoking cigarettes. I get why people who grew up 50, 60+ years ago smoked cigarettes since there were different social norms and there were no Surgeon General warnings on each box advising against it. And yeah, if something makes you cough it's probably not good for you, but people didn't know it would lead to cancer, emphysema, etc. So I can understand why lawsuits against tobacco companies were successful. But good luck suing a tobacco company today alleging you grew up in the 2000s and didn't know better.

Same should apply to the NFL. Nobody knew about CTE, but you knew **** well you were smacking helmet first into other guys' helmets. Fine, let those guys win a lawsuit or settle for big money against the NFL. But these young players coming up who will be the future of the league? They know what they're signing up for and what the risks are. The question should be what's the cutoff for determining who should've known.
 
Rugby doesn't use helmets , I wonder if they have the same issues , I wouldn't be surprised if they DON'T.

It doesn't take rocket science to know if U bang your head it will"hurt" and if U constantly do it something bad would eventually happen.

Do U know if U stick your hand on a hot stove it will hurt and if U keep doing U will get your hand burned off.

GOCANES
 
GOCANES05 said:
Rugby doesn't use helmets , I wonder if they have the same issues , I wouldn't be surprised if they DON'T.

It doesn't take rocket science to know if U bang your head it will"hurt" and if U constantly do it something bad would eventually happen.

Do U know if U stick your hand on a hot stove it will hurt and if U keep doing U will get your hand burned off.

GOCANES
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I looked into that a couple of years ago when CTE first surfaced and rugby does not have anywhere near the level of concussions and injuries that football has. Modern football equipment has turned these players into human missles. Take away some of the gear strip down the helmet to just some simple padding (1950's style) and I believe you'll see a significant decrease in injuries.
 
Sully said:
I looked into that a couple of years ago when CTE first surfaced and rugby does not have anywhere near the level of concussions and injuries that football has. Modern football equipment has turned these players into human missles. Take away some of the gear strip down the helmet to just some simple padding (1950's style) and I believe you'll see a significant decrease in injuries.
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I played rugby for 20 years, and three at the U. Where rugby differs is there “laws”, footballs rules. Where there are no high tackles allowed or head shots for that matter. One that probably would be as high would be aussie rules football, played that once on the IM fields and about got decapitated. Rugby, I was always sore but the laws protected you from getting really hurt unlike football.

Semper Canes!!!
 
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So I guess this means we should have stopped improving or adding safety features to cars, planes, baby seats, and baby toys etc etc long ago, even after new dangers became known, because people choose to use them.
 
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So I guess this means we should have stopped improving or adding safety features to cars, planes, baby seats, and baby toys etc etc long ago, even after new dangers became known, because people choose to use them.
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You're implying that there is a defect with the car, plane, baby seat, etc., in which case someone should be able to sue the manufacturer. Likewise, if it turns out there was a defect with the helmet and that directly caused CTE in a bunch of players, a class action lawsuit is expected.

The real analogous situation, however, is that a seat belt is designed and works perfectly fine, but someone chooses to become a NASCAR driver and dies while zipping around at 180 mph, even while wearing the seat belt. In that case, he knew the risks and accepted them.
 
I dont think football is going anywhere, multiple people die in boxing every year from brain swelling but the sport continues, there's always an audience for it, could it become less popular sure but people saying its days are numbered are being dramatic.
 
There is so much stupid in OP’s post it’s difficult to know where to begin.

Let’s forget for a moment the legitimate scientific discussion on the interpretation of CTE data, which is at a level beyond the understanding of many posters here.

The comparison to military service is absolutely one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read here. It almost made my eyes pop out of my head.

If an NFL coach gives you an order to “go in kid” you can literally get up, walk out, and there are no criminal, or civil penalties, other than they don’t pay you, NFL teams don’t usually sue players for quitting.

If a superior officer gives you an order to “go in kid” you can also literally get up, walk out, and then you will be court martialed, thrown in the brig, and lose your freedom for years in a jail cell. And technically, depending on the circumstances, you can legally be shot and killed as you flee the field of battle.

See the differences, OP?
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
There is so much stupid in OP’s post it’s difficult to know where to begin.

Let’s forget for a moment the legitimate scientific discussion on the interpretation of CTE data, which is at a level beyond the understanding of many posters here.

The comparison to military serviceis absolutely one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read here. It almost made my eyes pop out of my head.

If an NFL coach gives you an order to “go in kid” you can literally get up, walk out, and there are no criminal, or civil penalties, other than they don’t pay you, NFL teams don’t usually sue players for quitting.

If a superior officer gives you an order to “go in kid” you can also literally get up, walk out, and then you will be court martialed, thrown in the brig, and lose your freedom for years in a jail cell. And technically, depending on the circumstances, you can legally be shot and killed as you flee the field of battle.

See the differences, OP?
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U answered nicely I see U maintained , YES U can walk away in the NFL but they don't yet still with the ignorant decision not to shows it's face in medical issues , what gives them the right to sue?

They knew it signed up for it and now paying the price for there decision to stay and play , explain how it's ok to sue ?

GOCANES
 
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You're implying that there is a defect with the car, plane, baby seat, etc., in which case someone should be able to sue the manufacturer. Likewise, if it turns out there was a defect with the helmet and that directly caused CTE in a bunch of players, a class action lawsuit is expected.

The real analogous situation, however, is that a seat belt is designed and works perfectly fine, but someone chooses to become a NASCAR driver and dies while zipping around at 180 mph, even while wearing the seat belt. In that case, he knew the risks and accepted them.
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Using your NASCAR example, NASCAR has continually sought to make an inherently dangerous sport more safe by improving the gas tanks, collision resistance of its cars etc etc. Now there are far more walk away's than fatalities. NASCAR R&D is mainly responsible for this. It is an example of a sport trying to stay ahead of the medical consequences of participating

Far more people play football than are NASCAR drivers, it is a sport played by elementary school kids, middle and senior HS students, college and Pro's YET the R&D on protective equipment and the medical science of its dangers lags far behind.

CTE is only the most recent medical danger detected. Who was aware of it 5-10 years ago? To claim that football's participants know the full extent of what they are getting themselves into when they chose to play is disingenuous. I never heard of it when I played. Even today some coaches teach improper techniques. Not to mention the ever increasing size and speed of the participants.

The totality of the medical risks from playing football are far from being completely known. Doctors will tell you that themselves. To say that players know the total risks , when Doctors don't even know, is simply not true, they only know some of the risks .......and as time passes and more research is being done Doctors and players are learning more.

When ALL participants and their parents are FULLY aware of ALL long term the dangers ( like with smoking) then I'd agree that they are making informed choices

I just wish that FOOTBALL was as proactive in protecting with R&D its participants at all levels as NASCAR has been with protecting theirs.
 
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I get your point, @MainLineCane but look at how technology has improved with regard to helmets and padding that players use today versus just 20 years ago. Plus, now we have targeting penalties and unnecessary roughness penalties are called at an all-time high. If a parent lets their kid play tackle football in this day and age, that parent is accepting the risk. Do they know the extent of CTE and its possible effects? Nope. But they know it's a risk for their kid.

What's the alternative? We only play flag football until doctors can definitively cure CTE? We stop football until helmets are designed that eliminate any trauma to the head? It is what it is: a violent game.
 
Play football the same as always , maybe it all of a sudden news to some people but be aware it's a contact sport (DING DING DING) and injuries happen and in many cases they show there face later in life.....WHAT A SURPRISE.

GOCANES
 
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Two points on the topic.

1. There are no current players involved in the NFL class action suit. It involves players from an era where team physicians were not disclosing the risk of long term effects from injuries. Playere were often told to "shake off" concussions. They were given any number of pain killing agents to get them back on the field asap, even if it meant potential long term damage. Teams were essentially telling players " your injury isnt serious, just take x and go play" while knowing full well that the injuries were far more serious than they let on.

2. Even with newer safety precautions and improvements in gear, the CTE issue is not going away. Doctors have found the link between long term brain damaging effects and football are not limited to occasional hard hits, or even concussions. The every down battering a lineman's brain takes just from the stopped inertia of hitting the guy across the line from him is just as dangerous as multiple concussions.
 
DTP said:
Two points on the topic.

1. There are no current players involved in the NFL class action suit. It involves players from an era where team physicians were not disclosing the risk of long term effects from injuries. Playere were often told to "shake off" concussions. They were given any number of pain killing agents to get them back on the field asap, even if it meant potential long term damage. Teams were essentially telling players " your injury isnt serious, just take x and go play" while knowing full well that the injuries were far more serious than they let on.

2. Even with newer safety precautions and improvements in gear, the CTE issue is not going away. Doctors have found the link between long term brain damaging effects and football are not limited to occasional hard hits, or even concussions. The every down battering a lineman's brain takes just from the stopped inertia of hitting the guy across the line from him is just as dangerous as multiple concussions.
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Impressive DTP , I stand enlightened actually heard these phrases so true.

GOCANES
 
DTP said:
Two points on the topic.

1. There are no current players involved in the NFL class action suit. It involves players from an era where team physicians were not disclosing the risk of long term effects from injuries. Playere were often told to "shake off" concussions. They were given any number of pain killing agents to get them back on the field asap, even if it meant potential long term damage. Teams were essentially telling players " your injury isnt serious, just take x and go play" while knowing full well that the injuries were far more serious than they let on.

2. Even with newer safety precautions and improvements in gear, the CTE issue is not going away. Doctors have found the link between long term brain damaging effects and football are not limited to occasional hard hits, or even concussions. The every down battering a lineman's brain takes just from the stopped inertia of hitting the guy across the line from him is just as dangerous as multiple concussions.
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But wasn't this happening WELL BEFORE these guys got to the NFL? High school coaches use to tell me the same thing. I would literally see stars and hear ringing but as long as I could see their two fingers, I was good to go. So why not go after the NCAA or former high schools since I'm pretty sure the brain trauma started prior to them making it to the NFL.
 
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