For Those That Still Believe…

[CaneTheGaytors]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

 

[ben]

 

[L A M P]

Ok, Shannon.

 

[Go Canes!!]

It’s not all Mario, it’s not all Shannon, it’s not all Beck and it’s not all the officiating.

It’s a combination of all those factors that have tripped us up this season.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

Nobody denies the stats.

The reality is, with two consecutive 5th year senior QBs capable of audibling and/or calling their own plays, the INITIAL playcalls are usually slow to come in and predictable/easy to defend. We tend to struggle on short yardage red zone situations that could benefit from misdirection instead of slamming it up the gut multiple times. And we seem to be slow to adjust when the opposing defense shows it can stop us in the first half.

I don't know about all those statistical numbers, but those are the eye-test trends I have observed.

 

[P-Tizzle]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

Not counting Millsap Major Football (like who gives a **** about them),

But Dawson had 30 games where his offenses didn't score above 20. And I noticed two things about this: one, there were a BUNCH of games where his offenses scored 21 or 23, so I should've counted that **** (especially when he was at WVU and Houston), but I didn't. And he had many, many games scored in the low teens, under ten, and six shutouts.

In 2023, with a completely broken TVD, we scored 6 vs NC State, and 20 two other times that year (vs. Tech and FSU); we scored 24 vs Rutgers in the bowl game with Jacurri.

In 2024, we scored 23 vs GT, but that was the lowest by far. Of course Cam Ward, Restrepo, Damian Martinez, George, and Arroyo were in that offense.

This season, 20 vs SMU (in OT) is his worst game, closely followed by 21 vs UL. But we have played against some good, very good defenses i.e., UL, ND, and UF.

The point is, you can cherry pick all you want, but Dawson has delivered MANY, MANY clunkers under his watch at WVU, Kentucky, and Southern Miss. He's been shutout six times in 14 seasons as OC. Dude, that's ******* a lot when you run an AIR Raid system.

 

[rascon]

It’s both Mario and Dawson (more Mario). If I remember correctly, one of the reasons we brought Dawson on board was because we thought Dawson could marry his passing game with the run game we preferred, Air raid systems typically don’t have a lot of running plays anyway (they run them out of different formations), so I’m sure Dawson didn’t think anything of it.

But combined with our blocking technique and tight spacing, our alignments become easy to diagnose run plays and stop for short gains and then defenses can sit back and wait for Beck to show them where he is going with the ball. Especially when we don’t trust our QB to audible.

Dawson needs to go (Mario isn’t going anywhere) and hope Mario sees the light and brings in someone that he respects enough to run his system his way without input. And for what it’s worth, seeing Cam audible practically every call last year suggests HE was outlier in the Dawson era. Dawson by himself can’t marry his system with Mario’s preferred run game.



I still say that if we ditched the tight splits from game one and ran out of the spread formations (even running A gap), we would still be undefeated right now.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Not counting Millsap Major Football (like who gives a **** about them),

But Dawson had 30 games where his offenses didn't score above 20. And I noticed two things about this: one, there were a BUNCH of games where his offenses scored 21 or 23, so I should've counted that **** (especially when he was at WVU and Houston), but I didn't. And he had many, many games scored in the low teens, under ten, and six shutouts.

In 2023, with a completely broken TVD, we scored 6 vs NC State, and 20 two other times that year (vs. Tech and FSU); we scored 24 vs Rutgers in the bowl game with Jacurri.

In 2024, we scored 23 vs GT, but that was the lowest by far. Of course Cam Ward, Restrepo, Damian Martinez, George, and Arroyo were in that offense.

This season, 20 vs SMU (in OT) is his worst game, closely followed by 21 vs UL. But we have played against some good, very good defenses i.e., UL, ND, and UF.

The point is, you can cherry pick all you want, but Dawson has delivered MANY, MANY clunkers under his watch at WVU, Kentucky, and Southern Miss. He's been shutout six times in 14 seasons as OC. Dude, that's ******* a lot when you run an AIR Raid system.

Who was the HC at Miami the year that TVD was broken?

 

[P-Tizzle]

Who was the HC at Miami the year that TVD was broken?

I knew you didn't have **** to say about the actual data. The guy was the OC at Kentucky for a year. While there, his offense averaged 18ppg vs power 5 (at that time there were 5) conference teams. Was that Mario's fault? If you were a fan of the Wildcats in 2015, you would have made 100 posts on their 247 account wanting his *** fired.

 

[#1cane]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

We cant handle the truth!!

 

[nickster]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

I accept the truth that the OC MUST put his QB in the best situation to excel on the field. Dawson has lost his ability to run a smooth offense that creates havoc for the defense. I could give a hoot about his past performand because it means NOTHING AT ALL. I care about NOW and my eyes are wide open and he is under performing in a big way! That is the truth.

 

[1mg of Epi]

It’s both Mario and Dawson (more Mario). If I remember correctly, one of the reasons we brought Dawson on board was because we thought Dawson could marry his passing game with the run game we preferred, Air raid systems typically don’t have a lot of running plays anyway (they run them out of different formations), so I’m sure Dawson didn’t think anything of it.

But combined with our blocking technique and tight spacing, our alignments become easy to diagnose run plays and stop for short gains and then defenses can sit back and wait for Beck to show them where he is going with the ball. Especially when we don’t trust our QB to audible.

Dawson needs to go (Mario isn’t going anywhere) and hope Mario sees the light and brings in someone that he respects enough to run his system his way without input. And for what it’s worth, seeing Cam audible practically every call last year suggests HE was outlier in the Dawson era. Dawson by himself can’t marry his system with Mario’s preferred run game.



I still say that if we ditched the tight splits from game one and ran out of the spread formations (even running A gap), we would still be undefeated right now.

Dawson said on the sidelines last week that the goal every week is to score 28 points… That on its own is an indictment of Dawson and mario both.

Whoever Mario gets to replace Dawson will be running his own version this offense. Let’s call it what it is… the prevent offense.

 

[HurricanesR1]

Mario is officially a fraud until proven otherwise. I don't believe in him or his team.

 

[TheATLCane]

you are so sobered

 

[Mi.Cane]

…that Dawson is the problem, I give you the following sobering stat.

In Shannon Dawson’s 14 years as an OC, he has only had three seasons with an average ppg under 30.

He’s had 5 seasons with average ppg above 40.

6 seasons in the 32-35 range.

In 2 of those 3 seasons under 30, his boss has been Mario Cristobal.

Also, Beck threw for almost 4000 yards in back to back seasons and for a bunch of TD’s, now he looks like he’s never played the position.

Some of you need to open up your eyes and accept the truth.

I haven’t seen it mentioned in the board yet and maybe I missed it but this concerned me….

During the SMU game one of the announcers mentioned Dawson said (paraphrasing here) “we had to score 40 last year because we had a bad defense, this year 28 is good and I need to have a high tolerance for boredom”

Did anyone else here that or did I imagine the whole thing???

 

[HurricanesR1]

I haven’t seen it mentioned in the board yet and maybe I missed it but this concerned me….

During the SMU game one of the announcers mentioned Dawson said (paraphrasing here) “we had to score 40 last year because we had a bad defense, this year 28 is good and I need to have a high tolerance for boredom”

Did anyone else here that or did I imagine the whole thing???

The only time I want to hear a coach say he's good with being bored is if he's bored from beating every opponent by four TDs.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

I knew you didn't have **** to say about the actual data. The guy was the OC at Kentucky for a year. While there, his offense averaged 18ppg vs power 5 (at that time there were 5) conference teams. Was that Mario's fault? If you were a fan of the Wildcats in 2015, you would have made 100 posts on their 247 account wanting his *** fired.

Kentucky? Really? When has Kentucky ever had a dominant, high powered offense? Specially under Stoops, who might be one of the few corches that’s more conservative in his approach than Wario.

 

[rascon]

Lmao at needing to be bored.

Do these fools not know that every frickin week is an audition for the next crop of NIL portal transfer class?
They need to be throat stomping teams so that other players take notice and want to be part of this. Because in today’s NIL era, there is NOTHING stopping players from jumping ship to the good guys.

Not too mention - anytime you can score, you should be doing just that.

We are 80-ish in rushing this year? And the scheme is all about taking as much contact as possible instead of your line clearing gaps up fromt so you can burst through?

Mario is stuck in the 1980s yo. He needs to pull a Saban and evolve like now.

 

[Mi.Cane]

Lmao at needing to be bored.

Do these fools not know that every frickin week is an audition for the next crop of NIL portal transfer class?
They need to be throat stomping teams so that other players take notice and want to be part of this. Because in today’s NIL era, there is NOTHING stopping players from jumping ship to the good guys.

Not too mention - anytime you can score, you should be doing just that.

We are 80-ish in rushing this year? And the scheme is all about taking as much contact as possible instead of your line clearing gaps up fromt so you can burst through?

Mario is stuck in the 1980s yo. He needs to pull a Saban and evolve like now.

How about score 40 AND have a good D