For all the mopes that like to bash Mario:

[nycane]

Why should he get credit for resetting the failure of a coaching staff he hired in the first place? He didn’t inherit Manny’s staff—he was given the largest coaching staff budget in school history and made one poor hire after another. We’re still seeing the consequences of those poor initial hires with the disaster that continues to be Addae and DB recruiting.

DB recruiting? Isiah Thomas is very good when healthy. Markieth Williams damari brown Robert Stafford. These are some of best kids we have gotten in a while

 

[dirtyred786]

Some of y'all were ready to give Manny a lifetime contract no matter how bad he did.

 

[CanesSkins26]

DB recruiting? Isiah Thomas is very good when healthy. Markieth Williams damari brown Robert Stafford. These are some of best kids we have gotten in a while

We currently have 1 CB committed and he is the 916th ranked player in the country. Our 3 safety recruits are 585th, 593rd, and 677th. Yes, it’s a down year in FL but there is no defending that.

 

[TRick72]

You didn't?

Link is above, but here it is.

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10-2. I don't think this staff lets us lose a game we shouldn't.

 

[clg003]

Aaaaannnnnndddd there's the first expected negative reaction.....

I rarely voice my own opinions on here, but I simply cannot stand how about half of this board continually bashes Mario. These mopey dopes were obviously expecting at least 9 or 10 wins last year, without taking into account the @&^% roster and state of the locker room he walked into.

It takes time to rebuild after years of devastation. To show how some of the all time greatest coaches did in their first 2-4 years at a major school, here's some records for a few.

Bear Bryant: TA&M-1-9, 7-2-1, 9-0-1.
ALA- 5-4, 7-2-2, 8-1-2.

Joe Paterno: PSU- 5-5-0, 8-2-1, 11-0-0.

Nick Saban: ALA- 7-6, 12-2.

Bobby Bowden: FSU- 5-6, 10-2.

Woody Hayes: OSU- 4-3-2, 6-3, 6-3, 10-0.

John McKay: USC- 4-6, 4-5-1, 11-0.

Does everyone see the progression? It takes time to install the culture and roster changes. Stop griping about the last 20 years. I've suffered right along with you. It was a combination of bad hiring and bad leadership.

And don't even @ me about NIL, because the paradigm shift happened right when Mario got here. Lots of people swore that it would be the difference maker for us, before the rest of CFB caught up.

So please, stop whining and moaning and be a Canes fan and support the team without spewing your agony for others to read.

Don't do it to yourself man... these cucks live to whine and moan.

This is literally the most talented OL we have had in prob 15 years and it's been our biggest weakness. Most of them would have traded James Williams for Kam two years ago and would have traded TVD for Jake Garcia. They're absolutely clueless about talent and about the state of the program. I mean these are the same dudes who thought we had enough talent to go 15-0 in years we had no one drafted. Many of them would bench every linebacker we have for Chase Smith. It's comical.

Just be glad you dont know them personally and when you hear other teams talk about how delusional Miami fans are nod your head in agreeance because you know exactly who they are talking about.

 

[TRick72]

That's what I took part of putting into this universe and it's what y'all simply refuse to understand. We're not content with simply winning some games. Well be content when we have a standard again. Till then y'all do u & keep that energy. Cause we did best when we knew it was us against everyone. Our fans included.

 

[TRick72]

Tonight is not the night I’m going to engage in his mope thread…

Too many ****tails to participate in that thread

 

[Home Slice]

Mario did give us the worst season of my lifetime. He accomplished that with a team that was doing well with the blue chip ratio and an all-star coaching staff. But as for history he still has time. He needs to win this year. Stacking classes is something that Jimbo does (at A&M)... Pretty much everyone else starts stacking classes after they have won with the formerly "loser" players.

For comparison here's how every championship coach did with their team in the first couple of years since 1900.

You'll notice (particularly in the modern era) there's not a lot of "team building" happening over years. Good coaches take over losers and they start winning by year 2. I mean you could still build a team slowly over several years but when we're talking about championship coaches they start turning things around quickly.View attachment 252125

Home run post for actually bringing Heisman, Warner, Stagg, and Rockne into this thread

 

[TRick72]

Shut up Midlo! Nobody wants to hear your BS excuses!! We had more than enough talent to beat mid Tennessee state, Duke and other ****** ACC teams! Blame Mario for making ****** hires after taking 12 years to conduct his searches. I don’t want to hear about some records of coaches who coached 65 years ago. They didn’t have the portal. We may not have had the talent to compete against Clemson but everyone else on the schedule we should have been able to compete with. Stop the excuses!!
I think we win 10 games this year with the right coaches here and more portal help. I agree with you on the locker room and culture but that seems to have been fixed now. No excuses!

 

[Home Slice]

Thanks OP. You validated a great point. Win by year 2! That's what the majority of good to great HC's have done.

The fact is, Mario created his own mess by making several coaching hire mistakes. A complete engine misfire which led to killing team chemistry and identity. Inexcusable for a veteran coach who has a rolodex of names and from many on this site, an open checkbook to hire the majority of great Coordinators and position coaches throughout this great land.

As a 40 plus year fan, I pray he turns it around this season. Gets a few breaks from the injury bug that will undoubtedly occur and perhaps get a few breaks on gamedays with the ball bouncing the good guy's way. I'm pulling for MC. Majority are.

As a 50 plus year fan, I concur. Go Canes

 

[miamicanephins]

Don't do it to yourself man... these cucks live to whine and moan.

This is literally the most talented OL we have had in prob 15 years and it's been our biggest weakness. Most of them would have traded James Williams for Kam two years ago and would have traded TVD for Jake Garcia. They're absolutely clueless about talent and about the state of the program. I mean these are the same dudes who thought we had enough talent to go 15-0 in years we had no one drafted. Many of them would bench every linebacker we have for Chase Smith. It's comical.

Just be glad you dont know them personally and when you hear other teams talk about how delusional Miami fans are nod your head in agreeance because you know exactly who they are talking about.

Case in point, the majority of CIS thought it was good for TVD to be working with malweak rosier in the off season, LOL. When CIS zigs, you zag.

 

[Dude]

Only because people choose to make it that way.

I think 90% of it is people trying to be funny

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Some social media and message board participants have a wonderful way of admitting that they don't know a **** thing about statistics without actually saying it in those words. Outliers are not proof that conclusions based on statistical analyses are wrong.

Dear OP. I too am frustrated by the mopes. Most likely, they are the same people who were running around the parking lots at the OB when Kyle Wright was here, screaming "THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!" like a 3rd grader on a temper tantrum because he didn't get recess. It's pathetic and reflects poorly on the fan base as a whole. And no, that doesn't mean that I'm a loser who is willing to "accept losing and mediocrity." It means that I live in the real world where there is only one champion each season. Unfortunately, Miami has not been in that champion discussion for quite some time. And for the folks who thought Mario was going to come in here, wave his magic cafecito con azucar and get the team winning 10+ games in year one, it ain't that easy meng....

Also, we aren't getting anyone better than Mario.

 

[LoungeLord]

I rarely voice my own opinions on here, but I simply cannot stand how about half of this board continually bashes Mario. These mopey dopes were obviously expecting at least 9 or 10 wins last year, without taking into account the @&^% roster and state of the locker room he walked into.

It takes time to rebuild after years of devastation. To show how some of the all time greatest coaches did in their first 2-4 years at a major school, here's some records for a few.

Bear Bryant: TA&M-1-9, 7-2-1, 9-0-1.
ALA- 5-4, 7-2-2, 8-1-2.

Joe Paterno: PSU- 5-5-0, 8-2-1, 11-0-0.

Nick Saban: ALA- 7-6, 12-2.

Bobby Bowden: FSU- 5-6, 10-2.

Woody Hayes: OSU- 4-3-2, 6-3, 6-3, 10-0.

John McKay: USC- 4-6, 4-5-1, 11-0.

Does everyone see the progression? It takes time to install the culture and roster changes. Stop griping about the last 20 years. I've suffered right along with you. It was a combination of bad hiring and bad leadership.

And don't even @ me about NIL, because the paradigm shift happened right when Mario got here. Lots of people swore that it would be the difference maker for us, before the rest of CFB caught up.

So please, stop whining and moaning and be a Canes fan and support the team without spewing your agony for others to read.

Yet another dope that takes the few examples of coaches that ended up with great results after rough starts. Thanks for the original idea. Now can I post the 16425684 example of coaches that started bad and ended bad?

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Pointing out blatant failures and expecting improvements isn't being a "mope". Expecting the big name, big money head coach to outperform the previous bargain basement rookie head coach isn't unrealistic expectations.

Year 1 was an absolute F grade on the field.

The results were so bad they actually convinced some fans that getting back to 7-5 would be a great improvement.

7-5 got Manny Diaz fired.

It's year 2 now. There needs to be significant improvement. It doesn't take 4 or 5 years to build a team in the modern era. Especially with a transfer portal and generous NIL benefactors.

Yes, and failing to acknowledge significant changes made across the board and looking backwards accomplishes exactly what? Season starts in 10 days. We will know soon enough if there is improvement, significant or otherwise.

I continue to argue the biggest complainers for the most part don't have season tickets, don't go to an occasional game, or have invested a dime in the athletic department.

Me personally I downgraded my season tickets. I almost did not renew. I fly in for games. We shall see but the roster is significantly better and so is the staff from coordinators on down.

 

[Felonious Monk]

Yet another dope that takes the few examples of coaches that ended up with great results after rough starts. Thanks for the original idea. Now can I post the 16425684 example of coaches that started bad and ended bad?

I can give an example of a poster that starts out bad and ends up bad and he's still going strong almost 12 years later.

 

[Midlo Cane Fan]

Yet another dope that takes the few examples of coaches that ended up with great results after rough starts. Thanks for the original idea. Now can I post the 16425684 example of coaches that started bad and ended bad?

Dope? watch the insults, son.

 

[CTCanes]

Great coaches adapt to changes to the game.

Mario has to prove he can do that now that the NIL game has caught up and possibly passed us.

Hopefully bringing in a guy like Shannon Dawson to run the offense is a sign he can adapt. It's not a 3 yards and a cloud of dust type of offense. If we have an OL that can protect the QB and open lanes we may be OK in 2023. Time will tell.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Why should he get credit for resetting the failure of a coaching staff he hired in the first place? He didn’t inherit Manny’s staff—he was given the largest coaching staff budget in school history and made one poor hire after another. We’re still seeing the consequences of those poor initial hires with the disaster that continues to be Addae and DB recruiting.

And yet the DB room has significantly been upgraded via the portal and the 23 class. Boundary, Field, and Nickle will all be new starters brought in this year. Longer, quicker, more athletic.

Even the chatter has been subdued with a professional approach this fall camp.

Many on here are like scorned women, projecting even hoping for disaster wanting desperately to be correct.

We haven't even taken a snap and it is insatiable for them.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

It'd be a lot cooler if you did