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mcnaire2004 said:
Mario did give us the worst season of my lifetime. He accomplished that with a team that was doing well with the blue chip ratio and an all-star coaching staff. But as for history he still has time. He needs to win this year. Stacking classes is something that Jimbo does... Pretty much everyone else starts stacking classes after they have won with the formerly "loser" players.

For comparison here's how every championship coach did with their team in the first couple of years since 1900.

You'll notice (particularly in the modern era) there's not a lot of "team building" happening over years. Good coaches take over losers and they start winning by year 2. I mean you could still build a team slowly over several years but when we're talking about championship coaches they start turning things around quickly.View attachment 252125
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You are ignoring some of the context behind the worst season in decades. Yes, Mario deserves blame for Gattis. However, we also had ridiculous amounts of injuries to a team with limited depth, especially in the key areas of QB and OL. Additionally, a significant contingent of Manny's daycare/playtime crew showed zero desire to actually put forth effort, work hard, and play hard when Mario came in. The same entitled idiots who had sideline dance parties and joke sessions under Manny in the middle of games they were losing, never did more than go through the motions under Mario because they didnt like the new culture...hence the largescale flushing of the crap off the team during the offseason and a near 50% replacement of players. Players like Kinchens, who actually cared, even commented on that being a major issue.
 
DualThreat said:
I haven’t given up on Cristobal but to ignore the red flags is pretty ignorant. Talent me this and talent me that but even lowly Manny Diaz would’ve (and did) win more than 5 games with this bunch.

Cristobal is getting paid as an elite coach and had an open checkbook to hire anyone he wanted as coordinators. After months of searching, this was an unequivocal failure. Cristobal then took months to fire Gattis and even longer to hire his replacement which has seemingly hurt us in recruiting. He put together a great class last season but I think even the most optimistic Canes fans don’t think this year’s class will be in the top 10. ****, he’s being outrecruited by Oregon at this point.

I’m not screaming to fly the banner and I renewed my season tickets for the 20th straight year (at an increased price nevertheless). I don’t think it makes someone a “mope” if they demand a higher standard then 5-7 and want a top 10 recruiting class from an “ace recruiter” getting paid $80 million with an open checkbook for coordinators.
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It’s makes people a mope when they repeat the negativity incessantly. Every post glass half empty. It gets old for the rest of us fans looking forward to a positive season.

Their whining and *****ing isn’t going to change a **** thing and Mario is here for a long while. If they hate the trajectory of the team, it would be better for them to back off the forum for a bit and come back later, to either eat crow or say I told you so.

To me it seems some would take more pleasure in being “right” about Mario not being the guy than they would in him bringing the Canes back to prominence.
 
dk72 said:
You are ignoring some of the context behind the worst season in decades. Yes, Mario deserves blame for Gattis. However, we also had ridiculous amounts of injuries to a team with limited depth, especially in the key areas of QB and OL. Additionally, a significant contingent of Manny's daycare/playtime crew showed zero desire to actually put forth effort, work hard, and play hard when Mario came in. The same entitled idiots who had sideline dance parties and joke sessions under Manny in the middle of games they were losing, never did more than go through the motions under Mario because they didnt like the new culture...hence the largescale flushing of the crap off the team during the offseason and a near 50% replacement of players. Players like Kinchens, who actually cared, even commented on that being a major issue.
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I wasn't ignoring it at all. If you go back to my first post, I said "it takes time to install the culture and roster changes". That addressed it in a nutshell.
 
Midlo Cane Fan said:
I wasn't ignoring it at all. If you go back to my first post, I said "it takes time to install the culture and roster changes". That addressed it in a nutshell.
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I was responding to the guy saying it was the worst season, not you. I agree with you.
 
dk72 said:
You are ignoring some of the context behind the worst season in decades. Yes, Mario deserves blame for Gattis. However, we also had ridiculous amounts of injuries to a team with limited depth, especially in the key areas of QB and OL. Additionally, a significant contingent of Manny's daycare/playtime crew showed zero desire to actually put forth effort, work hard, and play hard when Mario came in. The same entitled idiots who had sideline dance parties and joke sessions under Manny in the middle of games they were losing, never did more than go through the motions under Mario because they didnt like the new culture...hence the largescale flushing of the crap off the team during the offseason and a near 50% replacement of players. Players like Kinchens, who actually cared, even commented on that being a major issue.
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A coaches job is to motivate players. Yeah there's context but that team had some talent. Yeah he flushed kids like you said. Maybe that will help.

He still has time. To turn things around. But 5-7 while not being competitive in blowout losses with FSU, Duke, MTSU is on him. Just like close competitive loses to GT, La Tech, FIU and Duke were on Manny. Those players dancing on the sidelines were in the game against FSU.

Not to defend Manny. But there's no defense for Mario. He gets his time to prove himself. But that's all he gets. It's about time a losing coach earns respect.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Great coaches adapt to changes to the game.

Mario has to prove he can do that now that the NIL game has caught up and possibly passed us.
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Did he adapt to changes by hiring guidry and Dawson?
Dance Party GIF by McCain
 
Midlo Cane Fan said:
If you read it again, I didn't PREDICT 10-2, I said there were people that EXPECTED a 9 or 10 win season.

And I used those coaches to show that even the best of the best sometimes need time to right the ship.
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You didn't?

Link is above, but here it is.

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10-2. I don't think this staff lets us lose a game we shouldn't.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
Did he adapt to changes by hiring guidry and Dawson?
Dance Party GIF by McCain
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Personally, this is one of the best data points to look at for hope and optimism. Mario acknowledged he missed on these hires and ultimately landed on two coordinators with very different approaches, personalities, and philosophies than the men they replaced.

Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but these hires show more flexibility than many people give Mario credit for. Hopefully he applies a similar flexibility to recruiting, as that landscape has also shifted.
 
Thanks OP. You validated a great point. Win by year 2! That's what the majority of good to great HC's have done.

The fact is, Mario created his own mess by making several coaching hire mistakes. A complete engine misfire which led to killing team chemistry and identity. Inexcusable for a veteran coach who has a rolodex of names and from many on this site, an open checkbook to hire the majority of great Coordinators and position coaches throughout this great land.

As a 40 plus year fan, I pray he turns it around this season. Gets a few breaks from the injury bug that will undoubtedly occur and perhaps get a few breaks on gamedays with the ball bouncing the good guy's way. I'm pulling for MC. Majority are.
 
561Cane said:
Thanks OP. You validated a great point. Win by year 2! That's what the majority of good to great HC's have done.

The fact is, Mario created his own mess by making several coaching hire mistakes. A complete engine misfire which led to killing team chemistry and identity. Inexcusable for a veteran coach who has a rolodex of names and from many on this site, an open checkbook to hire the majority of great Coordinators and position coaches throughout this great land.

As a 40 plus year fan, I pray he turns it around this season. Gets a few breaks from the injury bug that will undoubtedly occur and perhaps get a few breaks on gamedays with the ball bouncing the good guy's way. I'm pulling for MC. Majority are.
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Honestly, if I were a head coach, I probably would have gone the "name reputation" way also. I don't think anyone anticipated the dysfunction that went down.
 
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