Florida is latest state with proposed legislation to pay student-athletes

Some of you are misunderstanding what this does. This isn't about Billy Bob's Motors "paying" a high school recruit $200,000 to appear on a billboard, or Toothless Tom's Autobody Shop slipping bags into a 50K sports car for a five-star.

It's about a player being paid for his autograph. Or Nike paying a player to appear in an advertisement. Appearance fees. Etc. etc. It's going to be much more player-centric than school-centric (i.e., Trevor Lawrence is going to get paid more than Shaq Quarterman).

All things being equal, and this being a free market, I think players are going to look at this and say "I can go play in a major media market in Miami (or LA, etc.) and have more opportunity to market myself, or I can go to Tuscaloosa/Athens/Ann Arbor."

Miami has a metro area of about 6 million people. If you don't think that will matter if this legislation passes and is accepted as part of the NCAA, you need to pick up an economics text book.

This guy gets it. The schools that will benefit are the ones that have a significant brand and market for players to profit off their likeness. Miami and USC have much greater marketability assuming the right player(s) comes along to captivate the audience. For example, Duke Johnson on a 10+ win Miami team would have substantial branding and sponsorship opportunities that stretch way beyond the "goodwill" of Joe Schmo the Leghumper stan's car dealership or Kyle Korn's Kar repairs in Bagaland.

Also the bidding war angle is overstated in most cases. Lots of kids would accept less to stay in Miami, and the pay difference wouldn't be that substantial. Hypothetically speaking $50K is a lot more appealing than 0, but $100K vs $50K isn't as drastic. The important thing is that their expenses would be covered throughout college. Miami is always going to lose out on the kids that have families/handlers who want the immediate payout and benefits, so nothing changes there.

I'm sure the battered-dog syndrome fans will gloss over all this and continue to whine about irrelevant data points like SEC teams make more revenue or individual boosters can outright pay them (how is this any different from the current system?). Those fans have been trained to be miserable and negative is the only way they know how to think.
 
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No it is not, it is the end of USC and Miami.

What is to stop Billy Bob's auto repair from paying an Alabama player $1,000,000 (funneled of course from boosters) for appearing on a billboard? You think Miami has businesses who care enough to do things like that?
You are not thinking big enough.. Miami has multinational business's everywhere that would love to pay our star players millions to rep them. Who gives a crap about some Alabama player, it will be their boosters vs our multinational business's.. We win
 
This guy gets it. The schools that will benefit are the ones that have a significant brand and market for players to profit off their likeness. Miami and USC have much greater marketability assuming the right player(s) comes along to captivate the audience. For example, Duke Johnson on a 10+ win Miami team would have substantial branding and sponsorship opportunities that stretch way beyond the "goodwill" of Joe Schmo the Leghumper stan's car dealership or Kyle Korn's Kar repairs in Bagaland.

Also the bidding war angle is overstated in most cases. Lots of kids would accept less to stay in Miami, and the pay difference wouldn't be that substantial. Hypothetically speaking $50K is a lot more appealing than 0, but $100K vs $50K isn't as drastic. The important thing is that their expenses would be covered throughout college. Miami is always going to lose out on the kids that have families/handlers who want the immediate payout and benefits, so nothing changes there.

I'm sure the battered-dog syndrome fans will gloss over all this and continue to whine about irrelevant data points like SEC teams make more revenue or individual boosters can outright pay them (how is this any different from the current system?). Those fans have been trained to be miserable and negative is the only way they know how to think.

Right. So maybe a minor boost for urban/metro programs but in the grand scheme, perhaps not significant.
 
Right. So maybe a minor boost for urban/metro programs but in the grand scheme, perhaps not significant.

Miami benefits relative to the status quo. To what extent remains to be seen but I think it will be more than a minor boost. No it will not "level the playing field" but it should narrow the gap enough to make bags an invalid excuse for disappointing play.
 
But why isn’t it already like this with the existing well established black market?

Clearly there’s some degree of correlation with Bama, OSU, and OU in the top 10, but Clemson doesn’t even crack the list, and a bunch of underachieving programs are in there as well.

Simple: because it’s a black market, some schools play the bag game and other don’t. This completely levels the playing field.


Sure, but What’s to stop The booster with a car dealership in Tuscaloosa to just pay player 15-85 above market prices to appear on a billboard or ad or cutout or whatever. Who cares if nobody sees it?

If Bama, or generic big program have more of these big money boosters, then it would appear nothing changes in that regard.

Just not totally convinced it’s a net plus for us.

Simple: economics. You have more access to capital in big markets than you do small markets.

The Tuscaloosa booster you just mentioned won’t be able to bankroll 70 players, and even if he could, a Miami billionaire could too. And we have more of them.
 
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You are not thinking big enough.. Miami has multinational business's everywhere that would love to pay our star players millions to rep them. Who gives a crap about some Alabama player, it will be their boosters vs our multinational business's.. We win
I don't think so. They would love to pay the players millions to rep them? Really? The multinational businesses have no benefit to advertising a random college football player from a small private university. The only reason they would is if their customers were interested in the sport and were fans. Everyone keeps bringing up that Miami has 6 million+ people in the metro. Yeah, and how many of those are even football fans? What you're forgetting is that for every po dunk "hillbilly" town in the SEC, like 98% of them are football fans. That's the difference. You may have your little multinational business autograph signing for DJ Dallas in south beach and 100 people show up. Then you have a Tua autograph signing in Birmingham and you have 100,000 show up. The big time stars are going to be the only players benefiting from this and they will just be paid bags by the same schools winning recruiting now to sign with their schools first. But yeah, keep thinking that TigerDirect.com is going to have DJ Dallas as the face of their company...
 
But why isn’t it already like this with the existing well established black market?

Clearly there’s some degree of correlation with Bama, OSU, and OU in the top 10, but Clemson doesn’t even crack the list, and a bunch of underachieving programs are in there as well.
For one thing, there are people who won't take bags. For another, the reasons people choose a college vary. Once money becomes freely and openly available, expect people to cash in. It won't just be going where I've got a shot at the league, it will also be going where you can cash in in case you don't make it.
 
Miami benefits relative to the status quo. To what extent remains to be seen but I think it will be more than a minor boost. No, it will not "level the playing field" but it should narrow the gap enough to make bags an invalid excuse for disappointing play.

In addition, relatively few players could substantially benefit from this rule. Who is going to pay to put your average player on a billboard, in a commercial, or make a public appearance? A star HS recruit could have an incentive to attend a certain school but even that is limited to a small number of players.

I think we're overestimating the total amount of money involved. I don't believe there are tens of millions of dollars of outside endorsement money lying around, just waiting for college football players to collect.
 
In addition, relatively few players could substantially benefit from this rule. Who is going to pay to put your average player on a billboard, in a commercial, or make a public appearance? A star HS recruit could have an incentive to attend a certain school but even that is limited to a small number of players.

I think we're overestimating the total amount of money involved. I don't believe there are tens of millions of dollars of outside endorsement money lying around, just waiting for college football players to collect.

Thank you. Outside of the big name QBs (Hurts, Fields, Tago, Lawrence, etc.) there's not a whole lot of demand for anyone else in college football.
 
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Two things to consider here:

1) Miami with alllllllll our "international businesses" that you guys think are going to be rushing to pay American college kids for their likeness took how long to raise the money for just a freakin' IPF where said business could essentially slap their name on the thing and get all the in-game advertising thay they wanted?

2) This is where this will be exploited as well. Depth. Sure, your 5 star marquee kids in the big city markets might get paid but nobody is going to just hand out cash to a lot of your typical 4 stars and below. In Bumblefuk SEC towns they will. It'll be much more coordinated through the coaches like Saban and the preexisting dirty as *** booster systems where exponentially more kids will get paid and hence their rosters will be much deeper.
 
Two things to consider here:

1) Miami with alllllllll our "international businesses" that you guys think are going to be rushing to pay American college kids for their likeness took how long to raise the money for just a freakin' IPF where said business could essentially slap their name on the thing and get all the in-game advertising thay they wanted?

2) This is where this will be exploited as well. Depth. Sure, your 5 star marquee kids in the big city markets might get paid but nobody is going to just hand out cash to a lot of your typical 4 stars and below. In Bumblefuk SEC towns they will. It'll be much more coordinated through the coaches like Saban and the preexisting dirty as *** booster systems where exponentially more kids will get paid and hence their rosters will be much deeper.
I don’t agree, even your local car dealership will get a couple random Canes players and give them 10k each to pose for billboards.. There will be money for everyone
 
I don’t agree, even your local car dealership will get a couple random Canes players and give them 10k each to pose for billboards.. There will be money for everyone

Even IF that's true (and I'd debate it as this isn't a college town) then that same kid will be offered $50k if Sabag or Curby wants him for at worst just to be depth.

We ain't going to be winning any bidding wars for those types of kids just because things are "legal" and the South Florida kid has already proven that he verrrry often goes to the highest bidder so just because we're now offering something won't me **** when someone else is offering moarrrrr.

"Gotta feed da fam...good food!" will be the next phrase we hear.
 
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Earlier on Monday, California Governor Gavin Newsomsigned the Fair Pay to Play Act, which will guarantee student-athletes in the state of California will have the right to market their name, image, and likeness, thus dropping the gauntlet against the NCAA. Hours later, the state of Florida is following California’s lead.

House Bill 251 was officially filed by Kionne McGhee (D) in the Florida House of Representatives. Similar to its predecessor in California and other bills starting to go through various state governmental procedures, the Florida bill aims to prevent the NCAA and colleges from blocking student-athletes from receiving compensation for the use of their likeness or name.

Similar bills have recently been filed in South Carolina and New York, and more could very well be on the way now that the first domino has fallen in California. The bill filed in New York would also potentially allow a student-athlete to hir an agent and receive an even distribution directly from the school’s athletics revenue with every other student-athlete on campus. The South Carolina bill is more in line with the basics of the California law.

We’re not about to see college football implode or anything that drastic, but these are significant developments with the game and all collegiate athletics. The NCAA hates it, but the public opinion on the matter continues to shift away from the NCAA’s stance. Not everybody is on board (many coaches have voiced their concerns despite their million-dollar contracts), but there may not be a lot that can be done if state governments are stepping in and addressing this issue.

Florida House Bill 251 WON'T PASS because there's just too many RIGHT-WING good ol' boy politicians! And that's one reason, among others, why the FPPA passed in California. There are more MODERATE, commie pinko socialist state legislatures than in the RED STATE Sunshine state. hUh
 
What's the point of doing it illegally tho? To avoid taxes? Not worth the risk, time and effort you would have to put in to launder that under the table money. As soon as you start making large purchases while reporting a small income the IRS would be on dat a$$

Nah bruh just trust me on this i haven't paid taxes in 20+ years and haven't heard from the irs and never will
 
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Even IF that's true (and I'd debate it as this isn't a college town) then that same kid will be offered $50k if Sabag or Curby wants him for at worst just to be depth.

We ain't going to be winning any bidding wars for those types of kids just because things are "legal" and the South Florida kid has already proven that he verrrry often goes to the highest bidder so just because we're now offering something won't me **** when someone else is offering moarrrrr.

"Gotta feed da fam...good food!" will be the next phrase we hear.

Yep I've mentioned this before....profit off your likeness =taxes to be paid to uncle sam. When they dangle couple 100k under the table tax free and mom or dad or siblings get a good job from a booster who owns XYZ company and Stills get to profit off their likeness it won't matter
 
In addition, relatively few players could substantially benefit from this rule. Who is going to pay to put your average player on a billboard, in a commercial, or make a public appearance? A star HS recruit could have an incentive to attend a certain school but even that is limited to a small number of players.

I think we're overestimating the total amount of money involved. I don't believe there are tens of millions of dollars of outside endorsement money lying around, just waiting for college football players to collect.

Relatively few players are getting substantial bags to begin with. It just so happens that many of the high-profile ones are in Miami's recruiting territory and express early interest in the Canes.
 
Then perhaps Miami could benefit from this law. These players leaving SoFla might stay to play if the money if right.
 
Bigger markets = more demand = more eyeballs for the brands who will be paying these licensing fees = more money for the athlete.

It's why NBA players want to play in New York, LA, San Fran, and Chicago instead of New Orleans, Oklahoma City, etc. The BIG SCHOOLS are mostly in podunk towns; there simply isn't as much opportunity for "lots of autographs" in Clemson, SC (population 13,000) as there will be in Miami, FL (population 6 million).

For some athletes, their talent will transcend their location. Trevor Lawrence is going to get paid to be in a Nike commercial regardless of where he plays. But for roster players 15 through 85, the opportunities in a city like Miami are going to be much, much better than they will be in Clemson (or Tuscaloosa, or Gainesville, or Athens, or Ann Arbor, or South Bend, or Starkville, or...)

It's simple economics.
I don't have a degree in Economics and you make very valid points so I don't doubt you are right. However, I do have questions for you since I like your responses. You mentioned Miami having a bigger market and the NBA but of those are pro teams with a much broader fan base. Therefore, with 6 million people in Miami how many do you think are Canes fans? Also, wouldn't FSU players be able to sign more autographs since they graduate 3 times the amount of kids we do?

Simple Economics?
 
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