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so i remember a time teams like booker t, glades central, pahokee, lakeland used to be big dogs on the national scene are they still ballin and just don’t get the pub that they used to get?

(i know looking on max preps only tells half the story)
 
No to all except Lakeland.

Booker T- Had a nice run for years an number of coaches from Ice harris to his sons. Ice recently left them last year and headed to Mater Academy in Hialeah because of the politics. Booker T area is GENTRIFIED. Its wynwood/brickell etc so their base for kids have shrinked with mostly southern american or hispanic kids for that area of allapattah/overtown/wynwood etc. The rest of their talent would jus go to Miami Northwestern or Miami Central.

Glades Central/Pahokee- I believe has the issue of relocation and not gentrification. There ballers are moving east and are playing for other schools in palm beach county. There is nothing going on in the muck for occupation so mot fmailies are high tailing it out of the area. so their talent levels have taken hits as well.

Lakeland is still Lakeland and rcruit whom they want in polk county area so they are still a big dawg until maybe states if they have to face a soth fla team.
 
ciggymane said:
so i remember a time teams like booker t, glades central, pahokee, lakeland used to be big dogs on the national scene are they still ballin and just don’t get the pub that they used to get?

(i know looking on max preps only tells half the story)
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Multiple factors at play here depending on the school in question, but the overly simple answer is a combination of demographic shifts, economic issues, lack of pay for quality coaches, school choice, and player free agency.
 
gogeta4 said:
No to all except Lakeland.

Booker T- Had a nice run for years an number of coaches from Ice harris to his sons. Ice recently left them last year and headed to Mater Academy in Hialeah because of the politics. Booker T area is GENTRIFIED. Its wynwood/brickell etc so their base for kids have shrinked with mostly southern american or hispanic kids for that area of allapattah/overtown/wynwood etc. The rest of their talent would jus go to Miami Northwestern or Miami Central.

Glades Central/Pahokee- I believe has the issue of relocation and not gentrification. There ballers are moving east and are playing for other schools in palm beach county. There is nothing going on in the muck for occupation so mot fmailies are high tailing it out of the area. so their talent levels have taken hits as well.

Lakeland is still Lakeland and rcruit whom they want in polk county area so they are still a big dawg until maybe states if they have to face a soth fla team.
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To your point about GC/Pahokee: There are so many of their alumni in the Orlando area that they’ve been having their class reunions in the Orlando annually because of the convenience to where they are all living.
 
gogeta4 said:
No to all except Lakeland.

Booker T- Had a nice run for years an number of coaches from Ice harris to his sons. Ice recently left them last year and headed to Mater Academy in Hialeah because of the politics. Booker T area is GENTRIFIED. Its wynwood/brickell etc so their base for kids have shrinked with mostly southern american or hispanic kids for that area of allapattah/overtown/wynwood etc. The rest of their talent would jus go to Miami Northwestern or Miami Central.

Glades Central/Pahokee- I believe has the issue of relocation and not gentrification. There ballers are moving east and are playing for other schools in palm beach county. There is nothing going on in the muck for occupation so mot fmailies are high tailing it out of the area. so their talent levels have taken hits as well.

Lakeland is still Lakeland and rcruit whom they want in polk county area so they are still a big dawg until maybe states if they have to face a soth fla team.
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Agree on everything , glades / pohoke the sugar plant closed down in 2007 so a lof families moved . https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/l...ryant-mill-closing-devastated-towns/98481506/
 
Question to @gogeta4 or anyone else that might know.With all the movement and recruiting of players is there a lot of money being thrown around to get these kids to come to a particular school?

I’m assuming there is but just wondering if I was right.
 
Cajuncane said:
Question to @gogeta4 or anyone else that might know.With all the movement and recruiting of players is there a lot of money being thrown around to get these kids to come to a particular school?

I’m assuming there is but just wondering if I was right.
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YES!

So you can pay to get a big fish or two and guess what it will be an avalanche of kids....see the Carol City 1 year reform that will take place this year.

They have brought in literally over 30+ kids....its a totally different team from last year and they will be steamrolling ppl after being a middle of the road team a few months ago.

The first dominos were the chaminade kids coming over with the hc and then the No Hair Cut Nick move solidified it and its been an avalanche ever since.

The optomist coaches that load up teams on the parks are now coaching in HS...and they continue with the load up there since most of them cant really coach anyway. (not saying the carol city guys as i have coahced with a few of em)

But yes certain schools are paying moms rent, electricity, just flat out paying etc...Its there alumni/boosters etc.

Just using Carol City for example..they have kids on that team from (Lauderhill, Plantation, Hollywood) now everyone on here knows Carol City is one of the hotbeds for football talent regardless so imagine them with taking kids from the other areas not even in COUNTY lol

I mean the Columbus mafia arent getting kids for free down there either...they are paying which is how they got Sears n company.

@Coach Macho
 
gogeta4 said:
YES!

So you can pay to get a big fish or two and guess what it will be an avalanche of kids....see the Carol City 1 year reform that will take place this year.

They have brought in literally over 30+ kids....its a totally different team from last year and they will be steamrolling ppl after being a middle of the road team a few months ago.

The first dominos were the chaminade kids coming over with the hc and then the No Hair Cut Nick move solidified it and its been an avalanche ever since.

The optomist coaches that load up teams on the parks are now coaching in HS...and they continue with the load up there since most of them cant really coach anyway. (not saying the carol city guys as i have coahced with a few of em)

But yes certain schools are paying moms rent, electricity, just flat out paying etc...Its there alumni/boosters etc.

Just using Carol City for example..they have kids on that team from (Lauderhill, Plantation, Hollywood) now everyone on here knows Carol City is one of the hotbeds for football talent regardless so imagine them with taking kids from the other areas not even in COUNTY lol

I mean the Columbus mafia arent getting kids for free down there either...they are paying which is how they got Sears n company.

@Coach Macho
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Wow but I figured there had to be big money passing hands.I remember when I was in HS ( sooooooo many years ago) if you lived on the wrong side of the street you couldn’t go to another school that you weren’t in the school district of and it was really enforced.

How times have changed but thanks my man for responding.Much appreciated.
 
Cajuncane said:
Wow but I figured there had to be big money passing hands.I remember when I was in HS ( sooooooo many years ago) if you lived on the wrong side of the street you couldn’t go to another school that you weren’t in the school district of and it was really enforced.

How times have changed but thanks my man for responding.Much appreciated.
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yep it was the same way alll the way up to recently when they added "school choice" which made it a free for all and you can pick any school in your county as long as you can get the kids to your school on your own.

Before u had some hoops to jump through etc after that it was wiiiideee open.

In reference to this year..Carol City has money...a big alumni ..backed by flo rida (rapper) and other alumni who were trying to get what they wanted at hc over the admin...and they got it when they were able to land the chaminade oc. They have been even collecting money to try to have their own stadium....i know they have just turfed out their old field recently and redone the track in the last few months.

They line op against West Boca early so thats a Big match up locally to see talent wise (west boca has won back 2 back states).
 
gogeta4 said:
yep it was the same way alll the way up to recently when they added "school choice" which made it a free for all and you can pick any school in your county as long as you can get the kids to your school on your own.

Before u had some hoops to jump through etc after that it was wiiiideee open.

In reference to this year..Carol City has money...a big alumni ..backed by flo rida (rapper) and other alumni who were trying to get what they wanted at hc over the admin...and they got it when they were able to land the chaminade oc. They have been even collecting money to try to have their own stadium....i know they have just turfed out their old field recently and redone the track in the last few months.

They line op against West Boca early so thats a Big match up locally to see talent wise (west boca has won back 2 back states).
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Man how things have changed.Are they directly paying the kids or doing it through their parent with rent,groceries etc.?
 
gogeta4 said:
YES!

So you can pay to get a big fish or two and guess what it will be an avalanche of kids....see the Carol City 1 year reform that will take place this year.

They have brought in literally over 30+ kids....its a totally different team from last year and they will be steamrolling ppl after being a middle of the road team a few months ago.

The first dominos were the chaminade kids coming over with the hc and then the No Hair Cut Nick move solidified it and its been an avalanche ever since.

The optomist coaches that load up teams on the parks are now coaching in HS...and they continue with the load up there since most of them cant really coach anyway. (not saying the carol city guys as i have coahced with a few of em)

But yes certain schools are paying moms rent, electricity, just flat out paying etc...Its there alumni/boosters etc.

Just using Carol City for example..they have kids on that team from (Lauderhill, Plantation, Hollywood) now everyone on here knows Carol City is one of the hotbeds for football talent regardless so imagine them with taking kids from the other areas not even in COUNTY lol

I mean the Columbus mafia arent getting kids for free down there either...they are paying which is how they got Sears n company.

@Coach Macho
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Exactly.
And some of the numbers I've heard 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

Ish is a joke really, and makes me wanna move/coach elsewhere. It's ain't about winning, coaching or developing. If your program don't have a "booster" down here, you're cooked.

You get a kid in 9th or 10th grade. You develop him. You love him up. Create a bond. Then here comes [insert trending program] and throws 20k in his mama's face. Like it low key makes you wanna fight these dudes. 🤣🤣🤣

And nobody down here will ever address the elephant in the room. These dudes pray on the mamas. I can't even tell you how many elite kids I've been this🤏🏻 close to getting... until money got involved. And it's not the kids making the decision, it's the adults and agents. And usually the whole time the kid is miserable where he's at. I got kids DM'ing me from other programs all the time. Don't let the IG graphics fool y'all. Some of these kids do not want to be where they're at. It's the adults that put them there.

Meanwhile, Broward County Athletics does not want to comply with the new bill that will allow coaches to get paid from the booster club because they said it will create "inequity". Meanwhile they turn a blind eye to this epidemic.




Boyyyy The Mac would be so loaded right now. SMH
 
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Coach Macho said:
Exactly.
And some of the numbers I've heard 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

Ish is a joke really, and makes me wanna move/coach elsewhere. It's ain't about winning, coaching or developing. If your program don't have a "booster" down here, you're cooked.
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See Cardinal Mooney is Sarasota. All of a sudden they area loaded due to one booster
 
gogeta4 said:
yep it was the same way alll the way up to recently when they added "school choice" which made it a free for all and you can pick any school in your county as long as you can get the kids to your school on your own.

Before u had some hoops to jump through etc after that it was wiiiideee open.

In reference to this year..Carol City has money...a big alumni ..backed by flo rida (rapper) and other alumni who were trying to get what they wanted at hc over the admin...and they got it when they were able to land the chaminade oc. They have been even collecting money to try to have their own stadium....i know they have just turfed out their old field recently and redone the track in the last few months.

They line op against West Boca early so thats a Big match up locally to see talent wise (west boca has won back 2 back states).
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All the new acquisitions look good on paper, but that ain't always how it turns out. That's a lot of egos and personalities mixing together. I've been a part of that before and it usually doesn't turn out good. Plenty of kids at CC right now that are still looking around. 👀
 
JG14 said:
See Cardinal Mooney is Sarasota. All of a sudden they area loaded due to one booster
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Yup. They've been pretty decent in the past but right now they're on a different level. They're hoarding all the kids from the Manatee/Sarasota County area.
 
Silentobserver said:
Regarding Columbus, don't go digging too much into First Round Management's role in all of this...
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Coach Macho said:
Exactly.
And some of the numbers I've heard 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

Ish is a joke really, and makes me wanna move/coach elsewhere. It's ain't about winning, coaching or developing. If your program don't have a "booster" down here, you're cooked.

You get a kid in 9th or 10th grade. You develop him. You love him up. Create a bond. Then here comes [insert trending program] and throws 20k in his mama's face. Like it low key makes you wanna fight these dudes. 🤣🤣🤣

And nobody down here will ever address the elephant in the room. These dudes pray on the mamas. I can't even tell you how many elite kids I've been this🤏🏻 close to getting... until money got involved. And it's not the kids making the decision, it's the adults and agents. And usually the whole time the kid is miserable where he's at. I got kids DM'ing me from other programs all the time. Don't let the IG graphics fool y'all. Some of these kids do not want to be where they're at. It's the adults that put them there.

Meanwhile, Broward County Athletics does not want to comply with the new bill that will allow coaches to get paid from the booster club because they said it will create "inequity". Meanwhile they turn a blind eye to this epidemic.




Boyyyy The Mac would be so loaded right now. SMH
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I AM TELLING YOU.

ITS WHY I GOT OUT OF YOUTH BALL....AN THEN TOOK A BREAK FROM HS AS WELL.

ITS TOUGH AS **** JUST KEEPING A TEAM ITS SIMILAR TO BEING A COLLEGE COACH BUT WITHOUT THE PAY.

THOSE AGENTS/HANGER ONS ARE TOUGHER TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW. AND LIKE YOU SAID IT SORT OF TAKES STHE FUN OUT OF IT FOR THE KIDS AND COACHES.
 
Coach Macho said:
All the new acquisitions look good on paper, but that ain't always how it turns out. That's a lot of egos and personalities mixing together. I've been a part of that before and it usually doesn't turn out good. Plenty of kids at CC right now that are still looking around. 👀
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THEY CONTINUE TO BRING IN KIDS TOO WHICH IS FUNNY...THERE IS ONE BALL.
AND THE PERSONALITIES THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN ARE ALLLL BIG. THE JOHNSONS SHOULD OF STAYED AT THE MAC HONESTLY.
 
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