First beem of the ipf up

[Conundrum]

I am agreeing with you. The TROLL is Shalala and the problem she destroyed our great program single handily. Everything has changed since she left.

I'm not agreeing with you. Shalala didn't do jack ****, just like Frenk isn't doing jack ****, just like Foote didn't do jack ****. Coker, Shannon, and Golden were all viewed as good hires at the time. ****, a lot of people on here were bashing Richt when we hired him. Many people were asking why our beloved university was hiring someone else's discarded trash. Prior to Richt falling into our lap, the candidates for the job were Schiano and Mullen. Yall act like it was between Richt, Chip Kelly and Saban. None of the presidents really give a **** what happens, just as long as we have a good image and are profitable. For some reason there's a group of people on here who are downright obsessed with Donna Shalala and it's more than likely due to her politics than anything else.

Donna Shalala is the reason we no longer have the Orange Bowl stadium. SHE could have made a deal with the city to take over ownership just like USC did with the LA Colusseum, but instead she chose to cave in and pinch pennies and she damned us to an eternity at Sun Life

For that alone, **** Donna Shalala.

that's patently false, but i shouldn't be surprised that you actually think that considering you're either an idiot or a troll. the city was throwing out lease terms that were completely unrealistic because it wanted to get the site for loria and the marlins. she did a lot wrong, but had zero say in that situation.

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

 

[Pickle Richt]

LOL people are all up in their feelings. When you're in a position of power (which many of you obviously aren't) you have to make tough decisions. You don't pick the emotional decision, you pick the correct one. The correct decision was to move to HRS whether it hurts your feelings or not. Look at our attendance in 2001 (our best team ever) and tell me that the OB was our heart and soul. Yall are some dumb fcks.

 

[Meat]

I'm not agreeing with you. Shalala didn't do jack ****, just like Frenk isn't doing jack ****, just like Foote didn't do jack ****. Coker, Shannon, and Golden were all viewed as good hires at the time. ****, a lot of people on here were bashing Richt when we hired him. Many people were asking why our beloved university was hiring someone else's discarded trash. Prior to Richt falling into our lap, the candidates for the job were Schiano and Mullen. Yall act like it was between Richt, Chip Kelly and Saban. None of the presidents really give a **** what happens, just as long as we have a good image and are profitable. For some reason there's a group of people on here who are downright obsessed with Donna Shalala and it's more than likely due to her politics than anything else.

Donna Shalala is the reason we no longer have the Orange Bowl stadium. SHE could have made a deal with the city to take over ownership just like USC did with the LA Colusseum, but instead she chose to cave in and pinch pennies and she damned us to an eternity at Sun Life

For that alone, **** Donna Shalala.

that's patently false, but i shouldn't be surprised that you actually think that considering you're either an idiot or a troll. the city was throwing out lease terms that were completely unrealistic because it wanted to get the site for loria and the marlins. she did a lot wrong, but had zero say in that situation.

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

 

[Meat]

LOL people are all up in their feelings. When you're in a position of power (which many of you obviously aren't) you have to make tough decisions. You don't pick the emotional decision, you pick the correct one. The correct decision was to move to HRS whether it hurts your feelings or not. Look at our attendance in 2001 (our best team ever) and tell me that the OB was our heart and soul. Yall are some dumb fcks.

You won't meet too many Miami Hurricanes fans who agree with you that tearing down the OB was the "correct" decision.

And you won't find a lot of sympathy for Donna Shalala around here.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Donna Shalala is the reason we no longer have the Orange Bowl stadium. SHE could have made a deal with the city to take over ownership just like USC did with the LA Colusseum, but instead she chose to cave in and pinch pennies and she damned us to an eternity at Sun Life

For that alone, **** Donna Shalala.

that's patently false, but i shouldn't be surprised that you actually think that considering you're either an idiot or a troll. the city was throwing out lease terms that were completely unrealistic because it wanted to get the site for loria and the marlins. she did a lot wrong, but had zero say in that situation.

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

you don't have a clue. the city offered $200 million and we would also have to throw in a ton of money for renovations. we would also make no money from concessions and have a bigger chunk taken out of our share of parking revenue. $200 million wasn't nearly enough to bring the orange bowl up to speed and the politicians knew it. we would have to add luxury boxes, reinforce all of the concrete, add led ribbon boards and a new scoreboard, completely renovate all bathrooms, renovate the press box, renovate concessions, and a host of other things that would eat up $200 million before we got halfway through. and even with all of that, the city would still own the stadium and we'd still have to pay to lease it. miami offered shalala a suicide pill.

i learned all of that information directly from paul dee when i took he class before he died. you can choose to believe whatever you want, but you're wrong about the orange bowl situation.

 

[Meat]

that's patently false, but i shouldn't be surprised that you actually think that considering you're either an idiot or a troll. the city was throwing out lease terms that were completely unrealistic because it wanted to get the site for loria and the marlins. she did a lot wrong, but had zero say in that situation.

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

you don't have a clue. the city offered $200 million and we would also have to throw in a ton of money for renovations. we would also make no money from concessions and have a bigger chunk taken out of our share of parking revenue. $200 million wasn't nearly enough to bring the orange bowl up to speed and the politicians knew it. we would have to add luxury boxes, reinforce all of the concrete, add led ribbon boards and a new scoreboard, completely renovate all bathrooms, renovate the press box, renovate concessions, and a host of other things that would eat up $200 million before we got halfway through. and even with all of that, the city would still own the stadium and we'd still have to pay to lease it. miami offered shalala a suicide pill.

i learned all of that information directly from paul dee when i took he class before he died. you can choose to believe whatever you want, but you're wrong about the orange bowl situation.

Christ, you can build a whole stadium for $200 million. You don't think you can renovate one for that?

We didn't need luxury boxes and we didn't need fancy scoreboards. It didn't need to be "up to speed." It was already the greatest stadium in America. This is COLLEGE football. Nobody has all that fancy ****. IMO the stadium didn't need to be renovated at all. It was perfect the way it was. It was OURS, and it had a SOUL. So they should have just patched up the concrete and let's go.

But Shalala and Dee chose to take the blood money instead. Hilarious that they are universally hated among Hurricane fans now because they chose to rip the soul out of this program in exchange for some concession money and a better cut on parking fees.

Paul Dee was a ****. May he rot in his grave. But he was nothing more than a yes-man for that incompetent troll Donna Shalala in the end.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

you don't have a clue. the city offered $200 million and we would also have to throw in a ton of money for renovations. we would also make no money from concessions and have a bigger chunk taken out of our share of parking revenue. $200 million wasn't nearly enough to bring the orange bowl up to speed and the politicians knew it. we would have to add luxury boxes, reinforce all of the concrete, add led ribbon boards and a new scoreboard, completely renovate all bathrooms, renovate the press box, renovate concessions, and a host of other things that would eat up $200 million before we got halfway through. and even with all of that, the city would still own the stadium and we'd still have to pay to lease it. miami offered shalala a suicide pill.

i learned all of that information directly from paul dee when i took he class before he died. you can choose to believe whatever you want, but you're wrong about the orange bowl situation.

Christ, you can build a whole stadium for $200 million. You don't think you can renovate one for that?

We didn't need luxury boxes and we didn't need fancy scoreboards. It didn't need to be "up to speed." It was already the greatest stadium in America. This is COLLEGE football. Nobody has all that fancy ****. IMO the stadium didn't need to be renovated at all. It was perfect the way it was. It was OURS, and it had a SOUL. So they should have just patched up the concrete and let's go.

But Shalala and Dee chose to take the blood money instead. Hilarious that they are universally hated among Hurricane fans now because they chose to rip the soul out of this program in exchange for some concession money and a better cut on parking fees.

Paul Dee was a ****. May he rot in his grave. But he was nothing more than a yes-man for that incompetent troll Donna Shalala in the end.

all i got out of this post is that you're certifiably retarded, have no idea what is needed to compete in modern collegiate sports on a financial or facility front, or (most likely) both. post less.

 

[caneworld]

I am not sure what the point of the argument on The OB is. It was a **** hole. Currently we have one of the best college stadiums to play in.

Shalala can be blamed for a lot including her hiring decisions but she had no choice on staying at the OB... the city slumlords were getting paid underhand to put up a baseball stadium ... and they were determined to get rid of us.

 

[Meat]

I am not sure what the point of the argument on The OB is. It was a **** hole. Currently we have one of the best college stadiums to play in.

Shalala can be blamed for a lot including her hiring decisions but she had no choice on staying at the OB... the city slumlords were getting paid underhand to put up a baseball stadium ... and they were determined to get rid of us.

Wrong.

The city offered to put up $200 million to renovate the Orange Bowl to get us to stay. Shalala and the BOT at the time looked at their spreadsheets and decided that moving to Dolphins Stadium would net them $2 million more per year in hot dog sales and parking passes, so they went with the money.

But she definitely had a choice - and she's accountable for it.

 

[Canedude08]

that's patently false, but i shouldn't be surprised that you actually think that considering you're either an idiot or a troll. the city was throwing out lease terms that were completely unrealistic because it wanted to get the site for loria and the marlins. she did a lot wrong, but had zero say in that situation.

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

you don't have a clue. the city offered $200 million and we would also have to throw in a ton of money for renovations. we would also make no money from concessions and have a bigger chunk taken out of our share of parking revenue. $200 million wasn't nearly enough to bring the orange bowl up to speed and the politicians knew it. we would have to add luxury boxes, reinforce all of the concrete, add led ribbon boards and a new scoreboard, completely renovate all bathrooms, renovate the press box, renovate concessions, and a host of other things that would eat up $200 million before we got halfway through. and even with all of that, the city would still own the stadium and we'd still have to pay to lease it. miami offered shalala a suicide pill.

i learned all of that information directly from paul dee when i took he class before he died. you can choose to believe whatever you want, but you're wrong about the orange bowl situation.

You can't reason with unreasonable people. Don't even bother. You're arguing with people who are simping over a hunk of concrete that was one bad storm away from collapsing. It would have been beyond irresponsible for UMiami to take the sucker deal the City of Miami offered, knowing full well that the school didn't own the stadium, and the money offered was pathetically inadequate. Who complains about playing in arguably the best stadium in the country? Miami fans that won't let go of the Reagan administration, that's who.

 

[Canedude08]

I am not sure what the point of the argument on The OB is. It was a **** hole. Currently we have one of the best college stadiums to play in.

Shalala can be blamed for a lot including her hiring decisions but she had no choice on staying at the OB... the city slumlords were getting paid underhand to put up a baseball stadium ... and they were determined to get rid of us.

Wrong.

The city offered to put up $200 million to renovate the Orange Bowl to get us to stay. Shalala and the BOT at the time looked at their spreadsheets and decided that moving to Dolphins Stadium would net them $2 million more per year in hot dog sales and parking passes, so they went with the money.

But she definitely had a choice - and she's accountable for it.

200 million most likely wouldn't have covered the structural work that place needed, much less brought it into the 21st century. Remember, the vote that authorized the money for the renovations took place in 2004, by 2007 NOTHING had been done. To make the OB a viable facility, you were looking at close to 350-400 million dollars in work, and it would have been stupid for Miami to put in that kind of money, knowing full well that they didn't own the facility, and that it was doomed to feel old, just from the years of neglect.

 

[Pickle Richt]

Notre Dame's renovation was $400 million, and they don't even have an upper deck. $200 mil wouldn't have done sht to the OB, but carry on.

 

[Canedude08]

Notre Dame's renovation was $400 million, and they don't even have an upper deck. $200 mil wouldn't have done sht to the OB, but carry on.

Never mind the fact that Notre Dame was building in South Bend, compared to Miami. In other words, the costs were significantly lower.

 

[osguzman]

$200 million was not the full cost of the renovations. Moreover, the City knew it wasn't enough. They wanted the Marlins in Little Havana at a baseball only facility and the Canes to play up north. I love the OB and hated the decision. Nothing can replace that place. You can lament that it's gone and still be rational as to how we ended up where we are and why. Or not, I suppose.

 

[ChosenOne]

that's patently false, but i shouldn't be surprised that you actually think that considering you're either an idiot or a troll. the city was throwing out lease terms that were completely unrealistic because it wanted to get the site for loria and the marlins. she did a lot wrong, but had zero say in that situation.

Nope. She didn't fight to keep the Orange Bowl. She didn't do a damned thing.

The city offered $200 million to renovate the stadium for the Hurricanes. Shalala said no, because the rent at Dolphins stadium was cheaper.

The only troll here is that horrible troll Donna Shalala.

Fight to keep a facility that the school didn't own?

The City of Miami was never going to renovate the Orange Bowl. You can link articles until you're blue in the face. The University had been trying to get the stadium improved since the mid-80's. The city dragged their feet until UM bailed and then they demolished the stadium 6 months later.

Get real.

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

you don't have a clue. the city offered $200 million and we would also have to throw in a ton of money for renovations. we would also make no money from concessions and have a bigger chunk taken out of our share of parking revenue. $200 million wasn't nearly enough to bring the orange bowl up to speed and the politicians knew it. we would have to add luxury boxes, reinforce all of the concrete, add led ribbon boards and a new scoreboard, completely renovate all bathrooms, renovate the press box, renovate concessions, and a host of other things that would eat up $200 million before we got halfway through. and even with all of that, the city would still own the stadium and we'd still have to pay to lease it. miami offered shalala a suicide pill.

i learned all of that information directly from paul dee when i took he class before he died. you can choose to believe whatever you want, but you're wrong about the orange bowl situation.

Out of everything I read this makes the most sense.

200M wouldn't be enough given what that stadium needed. The Dolphins stadium was more up to date then the OB and that place needed 425M to renovate it to what it is today. Not to mention it would be paying for a renovation of a place they didn't own.
200M is enough to build a stadium just not in Miami. To get a decent stadium here the cost would at least push almost 400M unlike a place like Waco, Texas were you could have a up to date stadium just under 270M.

 

[Meat]

Lol @ the university's shills coming out of the woodwork every time this issue is raised.

Not saying you're paid trolls, but funny that you have like 30 posts apiece and you come out of your burrows for this issue only. Interesting.

Yeah ok guys, 200 million dollars is peanuts. That's what you're selling right? ROFLMAO you can't make this **** up.

 

[Conundrum]

Lets see.... should I believe the professionals at the Washington Post, or you, some random nobody on the internet?

LMAO sit your *** down.

The Washington Post reported that the City of Miami said they would spend $200 million on the stadium.

That's all they reported.

But anybody who lived in South Florida at that time knew the truth.

There's a video on YouTube of the 1989 Championship parade. Sam Jankovich is giving his prepared remarks. He talks directly the city officials and said "and let's make sure the elected officials of this city renovate the Orange Bowl like they've talked about."

That was January 1990.

The Orange Bowl renovations had been a pipe dream for years.

It was never going to happen.

 

[Conundrum]

You won't meet too many Miami Hurricanes fans who agree with you that tearing down the OB was the "correct" decision.

Does this even constitute an argument?

So a bunch of beer-swilling fanboys won't agree?

Well, I'm sold!

 

[Conundrum]

Christ, you can build a whole stadium for $200 million. You don't think you can renovate one for that?

Huh?

Christ you're deluded.

A whole stadium for $200 million? Maybe an erector set like the one at UCF.

But a 75,000 seat Orange Bowl? Not a chance in ****.

The Dolphins renovated Hard Rock in a similar fashion to what the Orange Bowl would've needed. Almost a complete overhaul. It cost twice as much as that ($400 million)

 

[Conundrum]

$200 million was not the full cost of the renovations. Moreover, the City knew it wasn't enough. They wanted the Marlins in Little Havana at a baseball only facility and the Canes to play up north.

Meat stick is claiming that $200 million was good faith but the moment the Canes vacated they razed the Orange Bowl and spent $650 million on Marlins Park.

Why couldn't they have spent $650 on Orange Bowl renovations?

Because they didn't want to renovate the Orange Bowl.