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Lol @ saying kick a fg to go down 9 in the 4th quarter as making sense. That is not overthinking anything, except doing extremely basic math. Kicking the FG turns a 2 score game into a 2 score game where the other team had been running all over our ******* Defense wasting time and limiting our posesssions. Not a ******* single person on this board would be doing anything but ****ting on Mario for kicking a FG there.
The first 4th down yall can ***** about all you want but ultimately if we get it you're on here saying it was an obvious good decision. That was a toss up decision. Given we have an elite offense and we had guys pretty much open all day long, that isn't a bad decision. The play calls on the other hand...
The second 4th down was also a clearly fine decision.
The worst decision Mario made yesterday - and it isn't close - was taking the timeout coming off the 2 minute warning when they punted. Coming off the 2min warning they should have been excessively prepared for them to go for it or run a fake, so why we needed to burn a potentially crucial Timeout was ridiculous.
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He’s just like us fans and scared crap less about this horrendous defense. You see he called a completely different type of game against FSU and kicked a bunch of FG’s because he knows they can’t score on anyone.
Yes, going for it on that 4th and 1, the second 4th down, was the correct call. We all agree on that. Wrong play call and wrong personnel. Thats all.
On the third 4th down (4th and 16) Kicking a FG to go down 9 should have been the correct call. There was still over 10 minutes left in the game. Turns into a 2 score game, but one of those can now be a FG. Also, it was 4th and 16. If the situation was 4th and short, going for it would have been the correct call. We will just agree to disagree on this one.
I couldn’t tell you who the current head of the CiS math department is even if you put a gun to my head.
First fourth down attempt I don’t think anybody had a problem with. But going for two I get it mathematically it looked to be the ideal situation but the percentages were low but fourth and 16 that was just absolutely stupid. No way you go for fourth and 16 you take the points. We didn’t have much momentum yesterday, but going for two and not getting it swings the momentum in their favor fourth and 16 extremely low percent.. just bad, coaching, all around offense and defense and head coach.. Mario seem to put some of the passing game was on drop passes, but frankly, Cam missed numerous open receivers, he was definitely off today.
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Technically you wouldn't be down 9 though.
1. Kick the field goal with 2 minutes in the half, go down 14-13.
2. They go up 21-13 in Q3, and you go anyway at 4th and 1, so it stays 21-13
3. You get to 21-20 in Q3 with the Horton TD and you kick the extra point.,
4. The FG at 4th and 16 if you hit it makes it 28-23. and so assuming you get the Restropo TD, that is 29-28.
All should of, could of, would of and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle... Hindsight is 20/20, but this feels like one more notch in the WTF are you doing belt.
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I thought there was way too much time left to not take 3 when it was 4th and 16.
The other 2, you go for it.
The other 2, you go for it.
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Gotta keep track of this. With how ******* ultra conservative we are playing on offense, it's gunna be worth tracking Mario 4th down decisions this year. Can already feel we are being super conservative about when to go for it and not.
We punted 4 times. Three of them were inside UFs 50, which you never really want to do.
- First Punt was 4th and 5 From the UF 41... Well Technically we had a delay of game before punting so 4th and 10 from UF 46.
So analytics is toss up with slightest of slightest leans toward punting. This is a decision I probably would have considered going for. But more importantly we MUST have the mentality on 3rd down in that situation that we would be going for it on 4th! It was 3rd and 4 from the 41. Thats a situation if you're already playing conservative, you can just run it twice for. But we threw an incompletion instead of picking up any yards at all...
- Second Punt was 4th and 9 from the UF 42.... AGAIN Technically we had a delay of game before punting so 4th and 14 from UF 47
This one was a clear correct decision to punt even though it was same area of field as last time.
- Third Punt was 4th and 4 from the UF 39...
This imo is a mistake. This is a toss up by metrics because its 4 yards to go, but we were at the ******* 39. Punting there is simply a ***** move imo that has little upside. Opening of 3rd quarter we are up 13-0 and are driving it. First of all we had 3rd and 4 and have another incompletion.... But We end up punting and getting a ******* touchback! Punting resulted in a difference of 20 yards basically. Whats kinda crazier is that we literally just kicked a FG earlier in the game on a 4th and 24 from the UF 35, which Davis made with room to spare. So we trusted him for that 53 yard FG, but not 57... Interesting. Now we probably know what range we trust our kickers from = 55 or less.
- Fourth Punt was 4th and 9 from Our 32
Correct decision, this was only punt we had from our own side of field.
Other 4th down decisions:
-Went for the kick on 4th and 24 which was a 53 yard kick. So that was an obvious one.
- Second FG 4th and 10:
Maybe debateable, but getting points when we were getting stops and kinda easily driving it down the field most of half, Im not tripping on taking the FG. More annoying thing is we get a penalty on like 3rd down I think which pushed us back to the 10...
- 4th and 1 at UF 48 on first drive of 3rd quarter: We went for it and picked up the 1st on a 3 yard run.
Obvious go for it decision.
We punted 4 times. Three of them were inside UFs 50, which you never really want to do.
- First Punt was 4th and 5 From the UF 41... Well Technically we had a delay of game before punting so 4th and 10 from UF 46.
So analytics is toss up with slightest of slightest leans toward punting. This is a decision I probably would have considered going for. But more importantly we MUST have the mentality on 3rd down in that situation that we would be going for it on 4th! It was 3rd and 4 from the 41. Thats a situation if you're already playing conservative, you can just run it twice for. But we threw an incompletion instead of picking up any yards at all...
- Second Punt was 4th and 9 from the UF 42.... AGAIN Technically we had a delay of game before punting so 4th and 14 from UF 47
This one was a clear correct decision to punt even though it was same area of field as last time.
- Third Punt was 4th and 4 from the UF 39...
This imo is a mistake. This is a toss up by metrics because its 4 yards to go, but we were at the ******* 39. Punting there is simply a ***** move imo that has little upside. Opening of 3rd quarter we are up 13-0 and are driving it. First of all we had 3rd and 4 and have another incompletion.... But We end up punting and getting a ******* touchback! Punting resulted in a difference of 20 yards basically. Whats kinda crazier is that we literally just kicked a FG earlier in the game on a 4th and 24 from the UF 35, which Davis made with room to spare. So we trusted him for that 53 yard FG, but not 57... Interesting. Now we probably know what range we trust our kickers from = 55 or less.
- Fourth Punt was 4th and 9 from Our 32
Correct decision, this was only punt we had from our own side of field.
Other 4th down decisions:
-Went for the kick on 4th and 24 which was a 53 yard kick. So that was an obvious one.
- Second FG 4th and 10:
Maybe debateable, but getting points when we were getting stops and kinda easily driving it down the field most of half, Im not tripping on taking the FG. More annoying thing is we get a penalty on like 3rd down I think which pushed us back to the 10...
- 4th and 1 at UF 48 on first drive of 3rd quarter: We went for it and picked up the 1st on a 3 yard run.
Obvious go for it decision.
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honestly, i was fine with all of the punts although i think i personally would have gone for the 4th and 4 at the UF 39. it was a game flow thing- both offenses were struggling, and in a game like that you play the field position war of attrition. given that they were analytical toss-ups, it feels fair to me with the style of game it ended up being.
the bigger issue on a couple of the punts in UF territory was execution- we could've pinned them deep twice and dylan day did a really miserable job of tracking the ball and let it get into the end zone for a touchback not one but both times! if we'd gotten UF backed up inside their own 5 there's a real chance the defense could have created points themselves through a safety or turnover with how spooked lagway was.
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Yeah you can always say what if we pinned them inside the 5... But that's the thing with punts from the opponents 40 or closer, they rarely even end up like that. You're better hope usually of pinning them inside the 10 even is just them fair catching it. Plus you have the chances of a block.
I'd bet like >75% of the time a punt from the 45 or shorter ends in a touchback. Maybe 5% of the time it's returned past the 20 or worse/blocked. Maybe 10% of the time it's actually pinned inside the 10. We just aren't talking about a big enough difference in yardage, especially for a team that we only allowed legit like 30 yards the entire 1st half...
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Our defense held UiF to their fewest yards per play in a game in almost 40 years.
Not giving them any oxygen in terms of field position is always the right call.
If he punts in those spots against a team with a pulse on offense, let’s string him up. But in that game, against that pathetic offense when your defense is playing that well, you make them go 80+ yards to beat you. It worked.
Not giving them any oxygen in terms of field position is always the right call.
If he punts in those spots against a team with a pulse on offense, let’s string him up. But in that game, against that pathetic offense when your defense is playing that well, you make them go 80+ yards to beat you. It worked.
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Punting at midfield against a terrible offense is always the right call.
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I disagree, cause you're basically just saying just cause we aren't doing it this game doesn't mean we wont in the future. I disagree. I think this is just a further signal he's going to be leaning ultra conservative all season - regardless opponent. And actually the impact is you look back on this game and say hey we punted and relied on our defense and look at the result!...
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Disagree completely.
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We will see. 2 years ago Mario was the biggest ***** on 4th downs in the universe. Last year he was very aggressive.
So far this year he's been very conservative offensively. We will see on more 4th and 2-3 type situations. But 4th and 4 at the opponents 39 is absolutely go for it situation still imo. I'd have tried a FG over punting there.
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Against any team other than one that had one first down in the first half, I agree. Against that team with your defensive gameplan, no problem.
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Given that we were basically playing a rugby team, we should have called the game for 4 down territory every time we were midfield or better. Take delay of game penalties to then punt the ball was 
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