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Feedback on 3 Stars?

htownkidd said:
People love turning exceptions into the rule.

“Ed Reed was a 2 star!!!!”
“Tavares McFadden was a 5 star & look at how that turned out!!!

But when we get a top 100 kid stars matter then or let FSU/UF get some 3* from bum****, they matter then too.
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Huge difference. If UF and FSU were coming down here stockpiling 3* kids while we were chasing 5* from OOS the board would be up in arms. We are doing what our staff should be doing. Evaluating our local talent first and identifying who is UM material.

A lot of posters on here cosign a lot of these local takes that are 3*s including Brownlee, Nunn, CWilliams and Harvey.. No longer are we letting teams sneak kids out the back door anymore because we didn't do our homework and just looked at the stars.
 
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Novacane32000 said:
Make sure you have a 4 or 5 star QB and the same as your backup and it pretty much guarantees the Canes win 10+ every year.

That said, stars matter. Fact is, teams that have won it all the last 10 years have >50% 4-5 stars on the roster.
We are getting close and I trust CMR will get us there.
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Mayfield was a walk-on.... But hey you never know
 
DemCanesByke said:
Some people care more about the stars than can a kid actually play. How many stars was Michael Jackson or Jaquan Johnson? I'm curious. What about McFadden that went to FSU?
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look at what percentage 5 star turn out compared to 3 star , come on lets not pump sunshine
 
Stars are like anything in life.. it matters to ppl who get them and ppl who can’t will justify why they don’t matter.
 
DemCanesByke said:
But this class has an excellent chance to be Top 10-Top 15. It's July and people are acting like the class is finished. Let it play out before saying this class has too much of anything.
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That’s an entirely different topic. Point is, stars do matter. The facts or reality support that theory.
 
Bama has won 5 of the past 9, and their recruiting rankings are **** near as good, it's not a coincidence

That said to me, more important then star rating is what teams have offered a kid, that's what I look at
 
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Gooner#44 said:
Bama has won 5 of the past 9, and their recruiting rankings are **** near as good, it's not a coincidence

That said to me, more important then star rating is what teams have offered a kid, that's what I look at
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Bama, FSU, Clemson, OU, Georgia, etc., all are constantly in the top 10. Class rankings do matter.
 
htownkidd said:
People love turning exceptions into the rule.

“Ed Reed was a 2 star!!!!”
“Tavares McFadden was a 5 star & look at how that turned out!!!

But when we get a top 100 kid stars matter then or let FSU/UF get some 3* from bum****, they matter then too.
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Turning the exception into the rule is just as stupid as blindly applying a rule with no concrete scientific underpinnings.

The general theory that the teams with better players usually win the most games is beyond reproach. Haphazardly applying that 4/5 Star percentage hypothesis without a specific analysis of each recruit or without accepting that some recruits who are currently 3 stars will magically morph into 4 stars or attempting to broad brush an entire roster based upon current verbal commits from a class that won’t sign for another 5 months is arguably more brainless than looking for the thousands of exceptions to this new “rule.”
 
The Franchise said:
Turning the exception into the rule is just as stupid as blindly applying a rule with no concrete scientific underpinnings.

The general theory that the teams with better players usually win the most games is beyond reproach. Haphazardly applying that 4/5 Star percentage hypothesis without a specific analysis of each recruit or without accepting that some recruits who are currently 3 stars will magically morph into 4 stars or attempting to broad brush an entire roster based upon current verbal commits from a class that won’t sign for another 5 months is arguably more brainless than looking for the thousands of exceptions to this new “rule.”
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Well obviously, and I agree with all that. I wasn’t blindly applying, obviously there are exceptions on both sides but who is going to sit here and break all that down with these idiots when that goes without saying. I was speaking from a broad, way more times than not standpoint

Before chopping it up and going into the details that you later mentioned, what you stated in your 2nd sentence is how it works and most would agree with that. That’s all I’m saying, was speaking from the general POV. But you still have your certain few who say it stars don’t matter at all and will sit up here and legitimately believe that every one of our 3*’s deserve to be 4* just because they are from SoFla and “they have that dog in them” and point to the same Ed Reed example even though it is no longer applicable and hasn’t been for 10+ years since this online scouting/recruiting frenzy is a multi million dollar business now. Those are the idiots who I am addressing.
 
Something i don't think that is being talked about. There just aren't that many Dade, Broward, S. Fl kids that are 4*s are higher to the recruiting services. I mean we have our Ladson's and Stevenson's, but as a whole i would say the 2019 cycle is very much down compared to the 2018 cycle. That means that our backyard just isn't as fruitful to the vaunted "blue chip ratio" this year. Are we still getting the kind of players we need to compete for titles? Time will tell
 
The Franchise said:
Turning the exception into the rule is just as stupid as blindly applying a rule with no concrete scientific underpinnings.

The general theory that the teams with better players usually win the most games is beyond reproach. Haphazardly applying that 4/5 Star percentage hypothesis without a specific analysis of each recruit or without accepting that some recruits who are currently 3 stars will magically morph into 4 stars or attempting to broad brush an entire roster based upon current verbal commits from a class that won’t sign for another 5 months is arguably more brainless than looking for the thousands of exceptions to this new “rule.”
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Nailed it.

There was a poster in one of the Jalar Holley threads that immediately wrote him off WITHOUT watching any tape of him merely for being a 3 star. No analysis other than he's just a 3 star so he cannot be good. My mind was blown by the intellectual laziness.
 
We need players who fit our system, understand what we’re trying to do, who want to be a part of it, and who are capable of contributing at a high level.

Many of the measurables that get the star whores drooling like size and strength just don’t fit in with what has always been our reputation for success: speed at every position. Speed and unwavering violence.

We’re never going to get the type of guys that the guys at Rivals ********** over and be able to just shove it down Bama’s throat.

We win with speed. We win with technique. We win with effort. We win with swagger.

None of these are metrics highly coveted by the services.
 
brock said:
3star guys who are underrated to me and should be 4 stars that we have committed?
Jahfari harvey should be a 4 star
Sam brooks should be a 4 star
Crowley should be a 4 star
Can Williams should be a 4 atar

Now I do think Holley may be flying under the radar as he looks like an athletic dt with a crazy wingspan 6’2 290 and plays with speed and quickness. Looks the part imo. Also Kingsley Eguakun, I dont Know if any of you sat down and watched his performances but this kid plays nasty and has a nasty mean streak and loves to punish folks. I see Him being our starting center in the future.
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Brock one of the few that actually answered the question
- never asked the merits of a 3 vs a 4 ......... the stats are clear but not perfect
- just wanted someone who is following the recruiting process to give me their views on the most recent kids we signed

Time for this board to save the hate for the other team

Go Canes
 
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Most folks don't understand how the * system actually works.

5* players are not inherently better than 3* players. It's not as simple as player A is better than player B.

5* players are more likely to be good/great players than 3*. This is backed up by statistics.

3* players for a team like Miami is a hit/miss issue. Some will be huge hits and some will flop. Michael Jackson was a hit.......Robert Knowles needs to never be on the field again.

It is definitely possible to be a championship team made up of a lot of 3* recruits. That team would just need to be able to identify the 'hits' from the 'misses'. This is where a camp like Paradise is so key. Nunn could be a perfect example. He's a 3* kid with loads of potential that showed the coaches he could ball. Sign him up.

3* players can be great, but you have to evaluate them better than your competition.
 
Elite recruiting helps defense more than offense

Raw talent might matter more on defense.

The correlations between recruiting rankings and defensive success were stronger than on offense. Whereas most offensive categories ended up in the 22 to 29 percent range, a majority of defensive categories were between 31 and 42 percent.


Recruiting impacts passing more than rushing.
More specifically, it impacts pass defense more than run defense.

  • The top 10 run defenses according to S&P+: Alabama, Boston College, West Virginia, Utah, Florida, Oklahoma, Louisville, Baylor, Akron, and San Diego State. Only three ranked in the top 16 in two-year recruiting.
  • The top 10 pass defenses according to S&P+: Alabama, Texas A&M, Clemson, Ohio State, Florida State, Oklahoma, Florida, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan State. Seven are in the top 16 in two-year recruiting, and all are in the top 35.
Results were similar in 2014. TCU, Missouri, and Virginia were among the top 10 run defenses, while the top 10 pass defenses were elite recruiters and Virginia Tech.

This might also make sense. If we are to believe that linemen are the most difficult players to project at the high school level -- since some will need to put on quite a bit of good weight (or take off some bad weight), and since their physical abilities alone made them unstoppable at the high school level -- then perhaps raw talent makes a big difference in the secondary, while development and scheme matter more up front.

Alabama is both proof of and an exception to this idea. The Tide have perpetually recruited well under Nick Saban, but pass defense was their biggest weakness in 2013 and 2014. Then, with five-star freshmen Marlon Humphrey and Minkah Fitzpatrick added, they fielded the best pass defense in college football. Individuals matter and recruiting rankings are not infallible ... but they were **** accurate when it came to Humphrey and Fitzpatrick.
 
The average rating of 88 on the 247 composite is pretty good. It will probably be better by the end. Considering Miami crushed 2018 and 2020 looks like it could be Richt’s best class since getting here I wouldn’t be worried. Miami’s not at a point where they will have a top 5-8 class every season and that’s fine. 2019 and 2017 are not as good as 2018 and probably 2020. But it’s still mostly South Florida and Florida guys that will be big for depth.
 
No matter how hard the evidence says that stars matter many fans will rationalize and use fallacies to defend the players the team gets. But either way this class has a ways to go and some guys will get bumps.
 
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