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GAhurricane said:
Stadiums will be at 100% capacity by fall. If these riots only accomplish 1 thing, it will be to show that people aren't afraid to get together into a crowd anymore. And it's still 3 months till games start.
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One of my sons left a mall the other night. Thousands of protesters gathering. He says it was some Antifa ****. He said no one was wearing a mask and they were standing side by side (many may have put masks on when media arrived, IDK). Some were hugging. I'm wondering something similar to what you're saying. Will US citizens be freed to go to sporting events and music festivals, etc, or will it only be allowed for the protests? Also, will some panty waisted politicians use the spike in numbers that could be somewhat attributed to the protests to further kill our economy?
Personally can't wait for some football, Canes, and just football in general.
 
Time to resurrect the picture from a few weeks ago of the man wearing the mask made ofblue jeans with a zipper.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
It probably won’t happen, but here is what I would like to see.

Let’s assume that in terms of infections, deaths etc by late August we are down to extremely low levels.

If you are willing to assume the risk, you should be free to do so.

As long as participants are made fully aware of the ticket disclaimer/hold harmless provisions that cover the school and HRS, etc, let us be responsible adults and manage ourselves appropriately.

Just a pipe dream, but I’d love to see it.
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The "hold harmless" provisions on tickets are pretty much worthless. The owner of the property is almost always liable, unless a person did something almost unpreventable, like running onto the field (and even that is fairly preventable).

I was at the NASCAR race in 2013 when Kyle Larson and Brad Keselowski wrecked on the final lap. Debris hit spectators seated in both the first and second tiers of the grandstand. Doesn't matter if you print "hold harmless" on the back of the ticket (and all racetracks do), there was still massive liability and Daytona settled with a bunch of people who were injured.

You'd have to get Congress to approve a specific immunity from Covid-19 lawsuits (and maybe they will).
 
For_The_U said:
I simply don't believe society at large is going to allow fear of Coronavirus to shut down life again, and that includes sports. Obviously, only time will tell. But I believe we will have all professional and college sports this Fall and there will be butts in seats.
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Its just 3 agenda driven nobodies on a webboard. They think who ever cries like a ***** the loudest gets the reward...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The "hold harmless" provisions on tickets are pretty much worthless. The owner of the property is almost always liable, unless a person did something almost unpreventable, like running onto the field (and even that is fairly preventable).

I was at the NASCAR race in 2013 when Kyle Larson and Brad Keselowski wrecked on the final lap. Debris hit spectators seated in both the first and second tiers of the grandstand. Doesn't matter if you print "hold harmless" on the back of the ticket (and all racetracks do), there was still massive liability and Daytona settled with a bunch of people who were injured.

You'd have to get Congress to approve a specific immunity from Covid-19 lawsuits (and maybe they will).
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I’m not a lawyer, but your example makes my point. They still continued holding races even after the accidents. Yes, a few people might sue, but I’m sure people sue for drunken slips and falls, too. And it would be an awfully hard thing to prove anyway.

But as I said, it’s a dream that I’m holding onto. And if we are down to really low infection levels by fall, I wouldn’t necessarily count out some type of spectator capacity control system. Let’s see what happens.
 
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The asymptomatic transmission issue will be critical to both sports returning and fans returning. Pretty much the entire basis for the really intense feeling of need for testing and contract tracing was because of asymptomatic transmission. If we find that isn't happening effectively, and we know young healthy people all but get a free pass from covid, then that really works to negate the need to test massively and especially contract tracing.

I feel like a lot of the fear re sports returning (and by fear, I mean even discussions like what do they do when a player tests positive) are based on our analysis of covid from march/April era. Two weeks ago it went from covid droplets last on different surfaces for up to 5 days to now they don't think it spreads very effectively on surfaces at all. This week it went from asymptomatic transmission being the paramount fear of Coronavirus to the WHO saying they don't believe it spreads effectively by asymptomatic carriers. I believe our continued understanding of Coronavirus will lead to an environment where sports are easily able to return.

Just my personal take.
 
rokulika said:
Here is my proposal:

-player family and friends
-staff family and friends
-recruits family and friends
-select number of fans may enter based on knowledge of Canes trivia.

Do not allow the tailgating element (those who only attend games to party/tailgate and who couldn't name 5 players on the rooster. They only care about being seen on the jumbotrons flashing The U and dancing to reggaeton, mumble rap and house music).
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An elegant solution, as always.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I may be biased, but I think the "fans" category is going to start, end, and be defined by UM alum status and Hurricane Club contribution level.

Here are the real issues. Logistics and staffing.

For example, the NASCAR article quotes Daryl Wolfe, who is a friend of mine. I know how the NASCAR races are staffed, and there are different issues they will face at Homestead (near a major city) and Talladega (uh, NOT near a major city).

Racetracks and football stadiums do not have a large permanent labor pool. You are more likely to find regular employees at arenas that host multiple sports and concerts.

NASCAR hires a lot of temp employees (ticket takers and people who sell or vend beer/alcohol) and they use a lot of Boy Scout troops/cheerleading teams/local churches & charities to staff the food & soda sales stands.

So, yes, it may be easy to require masks or to restrict access to the infield, but it is going to be very difficult to get the personnel and equipment necessary to do screening/testing at the turnstiles. NASCAR races and football games usually hire off-duty cops from multiple surrounding jurisdictions (and rural locations have a tougher time), but it is going to be a very tall order to be able to get any sort of medical-trained staff such as nurses, EMTs, and/or doctors.

What this means for college football is very interesting, because the larger your (target) attendance numbers get, the more personnel you need to hire, both at the gate (testing) and inside the venue (food/beverage, ushers, ticket takers, etc.). If you are trying to hold a hundred D-1A football games (nearly all of which are played on Saturdays), then you have to try to get a massive number of off-duty nurses/EMTs/doctors to all of these stadiums (many of which are in rural areas with not nearly the same density of hospitals that you find in a city) in order to do the testing at the turnstiles.

So, yeah, I'd like to see capacity increased...but there are a lot of logistical and staffing hurdles besides just "stand 6 feet apart".

That's why I think the NASCAR "experiment" doesn't really prove anything. Putting 1,000 people in a 46,000 capacity facility, or 5,000 people in an 80,000 capacity frontstretch grandstand is not very much of a test of those logistics and staffing issues.

I hope it all works out, but I wouldn't expect this to be some indicator of how quickly football capacity returns to normal. If anything, it is probably an indication that capacity will remain low for the rest of 2020.
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First on the list should be oldest date of first 5 digit donation and moving forard. I'm good with alum status. But since I am handicap, I wany the rights to be transferable so I can give mine to the CIS poster who has given me the most likes(assumming CIS keeps record like that.).
 
I never doubted fans would be in outdoor events. Maybe reduced numbers but there. Most of the country "over" this virus. They did what was asked will roll the dice for the rest. Mind you, I just got back from grocery wearing gloves, mask and head dress, with bottle of sanitizer as back up so this is not my personal feelings, just what I sense.
 
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GAhurricane said:
Stadiums will be at 100% capacity by fall. If these riots only accomplish 1 thing, it will be to show that people aren't afraid to get together into a crowd anymore. And it's still 3 months till games start.
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Zero chance of that. Now there will be people in the stand but it will be at 20-50% at least til the 2021 season .
 
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