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TheOriginalCane said:
Good lord, the absolute BULL**** that is spinning out of F$U fans and writers after this disastrous start.

1. They are "rebuilding". But...WHY? Rebuilding is something that happens (most commonly) in college football when you fire a failed coach. Or if you signed one really great recruiting class ONE TIME, then they all became seniors together, and now they are gone. Of course, this ignores two major realities of college football. First, you can sign a mini-team EVERY YEAR. If you hit the high school recruiting hard each-and-every-year, then there IS NO "rebuilding". Second, there is a thing called THE PORTAL now. And given the fact that F$U's 13-1 undefeated team was built on Portal players....well, here's an idea...SIGN MORE GOOD PORTAL PLAYERS. You don't need multiple years for Portal players to hit. Again...THERE IS NO REBUILDING YEAR FOR A COLLEGE COACH COMING OFF A 13-1 UNDEFEATED SEASON.

2. They are "bridging". But...TO WHAT? If this "bridge" theory was correct, then they have an AMAZING younger talent pool that is merely one year from dominating college football...AND they load up on 1-year Portal guys to hold them until that time...and we all know that BOTH of those elements are false.

3. The "cost" of everything. I have written about this previously. After finally getting back to a 13-1 undefeated season, largely by paying big NIL to Portal players, F$U suddenly decided to go cheap. In a variety of ways. First, rather than say "hey, what we just paid is the 'standard' budget, let's go spend it on new guys", they decided to try to spend LESS coming off of a 13-1 undefeated season. Second, they decided to SHAME their own underclassmen who, for right or wrong, felt that it was now their time to be compensated. So the F$U writers and fans spent the off-season telling the world "Sophomore Billy Bob wants to be paid $X, which is what we were playing Jared Verse, and he isn't worth it, and he hasn't earned it". Which, of course, is NOT how you build loyalty and love. Finally, when F$U had the CHANCE to go out and make lightning strike twice (by signing the newer version of Jared Verse out of the Portal), they decided to waste their time and money on guys who had glittering HIGH SCHOOL resumes, but had not yet produced at the collegiate level. All of those things are a veritable PERFECT STORM of stupidity and ignorance when it comes to getting bang for the NIL buck.

4. Hope is crushed. I've been DM'ing with a couple of posters, and one of them pointed out the CRIPPLING impact that Mario has had on Florida and F$U, as they chased and chased and chased recruits that they THOUGHT would pick them, only to have their hopes crushed when these kids picked Miami. And the seconardary impact of this is that when Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy suddenly had to fill spots, they got MUCH lesser talent (whether HS or Portal).

5. These head coaches are NOT as good as first claimed. I said it about Prison Mike right off the bat, that it was JUSTIN FUENTE who rebuilt Memphis. Ah, yes, but then the CIS He-Man Norvell-Lovers Club tried to tell me how "The Portal" had changed everything, and that Prison Mike had invented the GREATEST STRATEGERY EVER, the "Portal Method". And then I pointed out that Slingblade Billy's entire resume was propped up by Mario recruiting a batch of blue-chip SoFla WRs at Alabama. But but but, Slingblade Billy made magic happen at Louisiana, that's what I was told. Meanwhile, both Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy have hired and/or retained some truly questionable assistant coaches, and now it is looking like their "offensive playcalling genius" was a bit overstated too.

6. "Culture". Uhhh, yeahhhh, right. Both Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy have supposedly rebuilt the "culture" of their programs, and all of their players are high caliber kids who spend 25 hours a day, 8 days a week preparing for football. "C.L.I.M.B.". "Billy's Army". All of that stuff is being exposed as a load of hot bull****.

Don't let the F$U (or UiF) fans try to spin "good" reasons for the failures at both schools. The reality is that they signed under-talented players and are coaching them poorly as well.

No mystery there.
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Both Miami and FSU brought in 40 new players each this offseason. Miami went for more established college players and had a better HS recruiting class. FSU as you said largely went with highly ranked transfers with multiple years left - highly ranked based on college performance.
 
k9cane said:
Edge, didn't Snyder really build through JUCO transfers? At least most of those guys stay 2 or 3(if they have a RS year available) - and in that era those type of players might be hit or miss but they do have a sense of gratitude at getting a shot

Once Snyder got them on track, the Wildcats became a pretty solid, consistent program
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His teams were filled with players who had 3 or 4 years of college weight training experience. That allowed them to physically overwhelm younger teams with more talented freshmen and sophomores.
 
QB is so very important...and FSU fans failed to realize something very important. Mike Norvell coached Travis up to be a really good college QB that made the development worth it. Travis masked so many mistakes after being developed past the trash that he was in 2020/2021. However, that's the thing they keep missing. Dude was literally there for 5 years, playing and learning in the same system. Travis had already started 14 games before the 2022 season, and played in 32 before the start of the 2023 season. Norvell failed to recruit or keep a QB ready for Travis's departure (that means no solid or loyal QB recruit for at least 3 years).

-No high school QB in 2021 (would be a RS JR this year, with 3 years spelling TJ). They took a "1 year left" transfer, who hadn't played in 2 years.
-AJ Duffy for 2022 transferred out ( Would be a RS SO this year and compete to start)
-Brock Glenn for 2023 who couldn't beat out DJU.

3 years, only 2 highschool QB's, and neither hit.
 
There’s absolutely no excuses for a coach in year 5. “See, whut had happened wuz” he was supposed to have used the portal early on and then eventually transition to a program built primarily on high school recruiting. That didn’t, and still hasn’t, happened. IMO, the sweet spot is somewhere in the 85/90 to 10/15 ratio. The goal for your program should be to attain 85-90% of your roster from the high school ranks, and then supplement the other 10-15% from the portal. ESPECIALLY when you’re in year 5 you should not be depending primarily on the portal to build your team. I just think it’s a recipe for disaster, particularly from a culture/chemistry point of view.
 
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Not only that, but all the nole honks (on CIS) and elsewhere would have you believe that fsu was now on par with peak Bama and Georgia as a program. Please. As someone said in a post elsewhere, if your culture got broken that quickly, you never had it to begin with. Solid post TOC and f the noles and the gator!
 
Thinking way ahead, how will we be much different from FSU next year?

We lose our starting QB, and nearly all of our WR production. Our TE leaves if he balls out this year.
2 maybe 3 OL starters are probably gone.

Half our DL is gone and a bunch of production.

Our best LB,gone

I am not sure our recruiting classes can fill in those gaps and certainly not at QB.

Will the portal rescue us?

I hope I am wrong here !
 
FSU is out of money (relative to what is needed to compete), plain and simple, and it's only going to get worse. A colleague of mine was meeting with a prominent FSU booster on a project, and the booster was asking him for money. Straight up told him that the booster base didn't understand that NIL would need to be an every year thing so most of them blew their wad last year and can't provide the same support every year. Losing is only going to close that spigot more.
 
Novacane32000 said:
Thinking way ahead, how will we be much different from FSU next year?

We lose our starting QB, and nearly all of our WR production. Our TE leaves if he balls out this year.
2 maybe 3 OL starters are probably gone.

Half our DL is gone and a bunch of production.

Our best LB,gone

I am not sure our recruiting classes can fill in those gaps and certainly not at QB.

Will the portal rescue us?

I hope I am wrong here !
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1. QB - We will have a THIRD-YEAR quarterback who beat Clemson and came within a broken arm of beating F$U as a true freshman. We will have Luke Nickel. And we will likely take another Portal QB. So as long as we don't shoot for a 5-star HS recruit that has underwhelmed in college, and we focus on a guy with solid production, we should be fine.

2. WR - Nearly all of our WR production? So? We have underclassmen ready to step in, unlike F$U. The issue is NOT "who leaves", but "who steps in", and with F$U's poor record of developing HS recruits, they are constantly going back to the Portal. Outside of Sam Brown, our WR talent is home-grown.

3. TE - You realize we have more than one, right?

4. OL - Keep recruiting, keep developing. Time for Markel Bell and Tommy Kinsler to step up. Not worried at all.

5. DL - Repeat. Who gives a ****? We just had a great recruiting year on DL, and you are panicking.

6. LB - "Our best LB, gone". Good lord, buy some Depends.

Again, I am not saying that every single position will be perfectly filled with our HS recruits, without us having to hit the Portal.

But the concept of "how will we be much different from F$U next year" ignores the fact that F$U had Portal SUCCESS when they went after guys with production (even at lower level schools) and they are FAILING now that they are chasing Portal guys who were 5-stars in high school but barely played at their original P5 destinations.

Context.
 
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Novacane32000 said:
Thinking way ahead, how will we be much different from FSU next year?

We lose our starting QB, and nearly all of our WR production. Our TE leaves if he balls out this year.
2 maybe 3 OL starters are probably gone.

Half our DL is gone and a bunch of production.

Our best LB,gone

I am not sure our recruiting classes can fill in those gaps and certainly not at QB.

Will the portal rescue us?

I hope I am wrong here !
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No, High School recruiting rescues us.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Good lord, the absolute BULL**** that is spinning out of F$U fans and writers after this disastrous start.

1. They are "rebuilding". But...WHY? Rebuilding is something that happens (most commonly) in college football when you fire a failed coach. Or if you signed one really great recruiting class ONE TIME, then they all became seniors together, and now they are gone. Of course, this ignores two major realities of college football. First, you can sign a mini-team EVERY YEAR. If you hit the high school recruiting hard each-and-every-year, then there IS NO "rebuilding". Second, there is a thing called THE PORTAL now. And given the fact that F$U's 13-1 undefeated team was built on Portal players....well, here's an idea...SIGN MORE GOOD PORTAL PLAYERS. You don't need multiple years for Portal players to hit. Again...THERE IS NO REBUILDING YEAR FOR A COLLEGE COACH COMING OFF A 13-1 UNDEFEATED SEASON.

2. They are "bridging". But...TO WHAT? If this "bridge" theory was correct, then they have an AMAZING younger talent pool that is merely one year from dominating college football...AND they load up on 1-year Portal guys to hold them until that time...and we all know that BOTH of those elements are false.

3. The "cost" of everything. I have written about this previously. After finally getting back to a 13-1 undefeated season, largely by paying big NIL to Portal players, F$U suddenly decided to go cheap. In a variety of ways. First, rather than say "hey, what we just paid is the 'standard' budget, let's go spend it on new guys", they decided to try to spend LESS coming off of a 13-1 undefeated season. Second, they decided to SHAME their own underclassmen who, for right or wrong, felt that it was now their time to be compensated. So the F$U writers and fans spent the off-season telling the world "Sophomore Billy Bob wants to be paid $X, which is what we were playing Jared Verse, and he isn't worth it, and he hasn't earned it". Which, of course, is NOT how you build loyalty and love. Finally, when F$U had the CHANCE to go out and make lightning strike twice (by signing the newer version of Jared Verse out of the Portal), they decided to waste their time and money on guys who had glittering HIGH SCHOOL resumes, but had not yet produced at the collegiate level. All of those things are a veritable PERFECT STORM of stupidity and ignorance when it comes to getting bang for the NIL buck.

4. Hope is crushed. I've been DM'ing with a couple of posters, and one of them pointed out the CRIPPLING impact that Mario has had on Florida and F$U, as they chased and chased and chased recruits that they THOUGHT would pick them, only to have their hopes crushed when these kids picked Miami. And the seconardary impact of this is that when Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy suddenly had to fill spots, they got MUCH lesser talent (whether HS or Portal).

5. These head coaches are NOT as good as first claimed. I said it about Prison Mike right off the bat, that it was JUSTIN FUENTE who rebuilt Memphis. Ah, yes, but then the CIS He-Man Norvell-Lovers Club tried to tell me how "The Portal" had changed everything, and that Prison Mike had invented the GREATEST STRATEGERY EVER, the "Portal Method". And then I pointed out that Slingblade Billy's entire resume was propped up by Mario recruiting a batch of blue-chip SoFla WRs at Alabama. But but but, Slingblade Billy made magic happen at Louisiana, that's what I was told. Meanwhile, both Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy have hired and/or retained some truly questionable assistant coaches, and now it is looking like their "offensive playcalling genius" was a bit overstated too.

6. "Culture". Uhhh, yeahhhh, right. Both Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy have supposedly rebuilt the "culture" of their programs, and all of their players are high caliber kids who spend 25 hours a day, 8 days a week preparing for football. "C.L.I.M.B.". "Billy's Army". All of that stuff is being exposed as a load of hot bull****.

Don't let the F$U (or UiF) fans try to spin "good" reasons for the failures at both schools. The reality is that they signed under-talented players and are coaching them poorly as well.

No mystery there.
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The culture thing is such a good point. I mean, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with having a professional, business like culture like Mario has clearly built. If you don’t produce, good luck to you. If you work hard and earn your pay, you remain valuable. The idea of culture that they are promoting is ancient history. They expect to be able to save money by only having players that “want to be a part of the team”. But at the end of the day, this is defeatist. You are admitting that you don’t have the ability to prepare them for the future and they should be willing to be accept less from you as a coaching staff
 
k9cane said:
Edge, didn't Snyder really build through JUCO transfers? At least most of those guys stay 2 or 3(if they have a RS year available) - and in that era those type of players might be hit or miss but they do have a sense of gratitude at getting a shot

Once Snyder got them on track, the Wildcats became a pretty solid, consistent program
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Yah you are correct. Mostly JUCO players with 2+ years to play. So even that is a better model then “reloading” each year via portal.
 
I told you, they just keep repeating this nonsense.

Please keep in mind, they have not lost to Miami YET.

So what is their excuse for losing to GaTech and BC, who have NOT spent "$12 million" in NIL money?


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