Executive Order Limits NCAA Athletes to Five Seasons in Five Years; One Transfer without Sitting Out a Year

[Ispyin]

This executive order doesn’t actually ban transfers. It gives every player one free transfer, and after that, they’d have to sit out a year unless they’re a grad transfer. So it’s more about creating some structure rather than taking away player movement entirely

Before the NIL, all transfers, besides grads, had to sit out year. Didn’t see a whole lot of complaining then

Any student can transfer as many times as they want not sure that they have any legal authority to prevent a different class of students in the same institution from doing that for what is consider an extra activity. I think this country is suffering from far too much of rules for me, but not for thee in reverse. If you’re not gonna treat them as employees, then they are students. Students can transfer as often as they’re able to be able to be accepted into another institution.

Yes, I realize it’s different with the money, but if their students their students then their students and then they are still students not sure how difficult that is for people to grasp

 

[Bender]

POTUS was asked, and willingly agreed, to try and help. Unlike typical politicians that sit on their hands and want to hold countless meetings that get nothing accomplished. Trump has at least given the issue some spotlight. Whether or not his EO has any bite is yet to be seen. Expecting Congress to get involved, yet alone come up with a solution, is a pipe dream.

Unlike desk jockey keyboard warriors, I’ve had first hand experience dealing with one of most corrupt unions in the country - the UAW. Be careful what you ask for in establishing a union to oversee a CBA for college athletics. The NCAA will seem like child’s play compared to the potential corruption a union brings.

The transfer issue is already out of control with countless “agents” already involved. It’ll literally take an act of Congress to reign in all this chaos. Good luck with that.

But he didn't help.

As much as people want to pretend that this is help, it brings no legal value. NIL and transferring is a state-related issue that the NCAA brought upon themselves.

Regarding the anti-union-twaddle... I think it's time the maudes put this thread somewhere else. @JD08

 

[Ispyin]

As I Political Science major and law school graduate, I would simply say that your conception of "executive orders" as merely the first step towards actual legislation is not supported by facts or history.

This is not about "agreeing on anything". Nobody needs "agreement". We needed the ACTUAL organization that can make and enforce its own rules (the NCAA) to have done so YEARS AGO, prior to the Alston case, and INCLUDING an actual enforcement of Wisconsin's obligation to enter a name into the Portal. We also needed politicians to stay out of the way, which Congress has managed to do very well.

There's no need for a "first step towards actual legislation". The NCAA abdicated that responsibility for decades, and now they are begging politicians to do the dirty work for them.

Again, "transfers" are NOT "the biggest issue in the sport right now". Payment is. And please note how the NCAA is NOT moving towards a collective bargaining solution that would dignify and compensate the actual players who make up "the sport" that we profess to love.

It's always been a very simple solution that does not require Congressional action or an executive order.

C. B. A.

Problem solved.

Exactly. There is massive irony here because executive orders are usually not the first step. They’re actually the last step. Congress votes on and approves a new law. The executive branch is then supposed to execute the law and often the law itself does not have every parameter defined so either the executive office Whether cabinet level or not or the president can then say this is how we’re going to administrate this law and implement it hence an executive order.

 

[Ispyin]

POTUS was asked, and willingly agreed, to try and help. Unlike typical politicians that sit on their hands and want to hold countless meetings that get nothing accomplished. Trump has at least given the issue some spotlight. Whether or not his EO has any bite is yet to be seen. Expecting Congress to get involved, yet alone come up with a solution, is a pipe dream.

Unlike desk jockey keyboard warriors, I’ve had first hand experience dealing with one of most corrupt unions in the country - the UAW. Be careful what you ask for in establishing a union to oversee a CBA for college athletics. The NCAA will seem like child’s play compared to the potential corruption a union brings.

The transfer issue is already out of control with countless “agents” already involved. It’ll literally take an act of Congress to reign in all this chaos. Good luck with that.

I so want to comment but I don’t want this thread getting moved to one of the toxic waste dumps on this site when the conversation WAS staying on the execution or lack there of for this topic.

 

[JD08]

But he didn't help.

As much as people want to pretend that this is help, it brings no legal value. NIL and transferring is a state-related issue that the NCAA brought upon themselves.

Regarding the anti-union-twaddle... I think it's time the maudes put this thread somewhere else. @JD08

It's teetering

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It's teetering

Yes.

And the comments are being strictly limited to "executive orders as a thing".

This isn't about higher taxes/lower taxes. This isn't about more abortions/fewer abortions. This isn't about any political subject. There is no "red" or "blue" position on NIL and the Transfer Portal.

This is just a person doing something that he doesn't have the power to do, and interjecting chaos into the situation because people (seemingly) can't figure out if the laws on the books still exist or were "invalidated" by the Sharpie signature of one person.

 

[Tony4Canes]

 

[TheOriginalCane]

As per usual in this subject area, Darren Heitner is correct.

 

[CaneinBroward]

If you think "Pell Grants" are sustaining a university that charges $100K per year for the cost of attendance...

No one said anything about "sustaining" the university. It's the fact there is government involvement and tax funds being used. But again, you know that.

Keep trolling.

 

[MedleyCane]

Unlike desk jockey keyboard warriors, I’ve had first hand experience dealing with one of most corrupt unions in the country - the UAW. Be careful what you ask for in establishing a union to oversee a CBA for college athletics. The NCAA will seem like child’s play compared to the potential corruption a union brings.

A couple of my old Gym Bros in Maryland work security at the UAW offices in DC. They do everything from front desk to accompanying their leadership to events. They both gave up decent jobs to work for UAW because the salary, benefits and perks are incredible. Anyways, he tells me most of the leadership are hypocrites. They drive to work in American made cars because UAW lot only accepts cars manufactured by Union jobs in USA. Yet their other car(s) at home are foreign. They talk a good game about hiring American contractors to work on their homes, but hire illegals to do it for them.
They are filthy rich and hypocrites.
I suppose not much different from folks in Congress, including both parties.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

No one said anything about "sustaining" the university. It's the fact there is government involvement and tax funds being used. But again, you know that.

Keep trolling.

Don't be a dumbass. The amount of money that constitutes "Pell Grants" is a drop in the ocean. The real money is in the funding of research.

But again, you know that. Keep trolling.

Your contributions to this board are about as important and impactful as Pell Grants, genius.

 

[423Hurricane]

I so want to comment but I don’t want this thread getting moved to one of the toxic waste dumps on this site when the conversation WAS staying on the execution or lack there of for this topic.

Politics injecting it’s ugly head into this thread was inevitable whether or not POTUS got involved.

 

[CaneinBroward]

Don't be a dumbass. The amount of money that constitutes "Pell Grants" is a drop in the ocean. The real money is in the funding of research.

But again, you know that. Keep trolling.

Your contributions to this board are about as important and impactful as Pell Grants, genius.

Important enough to throw our beloved football program back for 5 years. lol

And who's the dumbass? I'd say the guy dumb enough not to read the post being responded to that said private schools do not take any taxpayer funds, but misreads the response and interprets it to mean Pell Grants "sustain" the university.

I actually agree with your stance on this thread overall, but you are such an obnoxious boar to misinterpret and then even worse double down on stupidity and throw out insults. But it's what you do. Good job.

 

[423Hurricane]

A couple of my old Gym Bros in Maryland work security at the UAW offices in DC. They do everything from front desk to accompanying their leadership to events. They both gave up decent jobs to work for UAW because the salary, benefits and perks are incredible. Anyways, he tells me most of the leadership are hypocrites. They drive to work in American made cars because UAW lot only accepts cars manufactured by Union jobs in USA. Yet their other car(s) at home are foreign. They talk a good game about hiring American contractors to work on their homes, but hire illegals to do it for them.
They are filthy rich and hypocrites.
I suppose not much different from folks in Congress, including both parties.

The entire “leadership” are grifters and absolutely hypocrites. There was guy that worked in our nonunion manufacturing plant that headed up a union drive. He lost the first time but succeeded the second time. The company warned us that if a union - in this case the UAW - got into our plant, they’d shut it down and send the work to Mexico. 6 weeks after the union was introduced, they announced the closure and shut the doors a year later

The scum bag that organized it all was hired by the UAW as a traveling organizer with a salary of $86K a year. This was 2006

 

[CaneinBroward]

I don’t know maybe because he has actually no ability to actually do anything with an executive order when there’s no underlying laws based on it, which is just like how a law that’s been approved is to be executed. It’s all performative politics.

Also, there’s a thing called the war and the economy going on right now that he should probably be a little bit more focused on so as important as college football is the timing is also just strange

Come on now. How dare you bring up such insignificant matters when college sports are obviously the most important issue of the day?

 

[CaneinBroward]

The entire “leadership” are grifters and absolutely hypocrites. There was guy that worked in our nonunion manufacturing plant that headed up a union drive. He lost the first time but succeeded the second time. The company warned us that if a union - in this case the UAW - got into our plant, they’d shut it down and send the work to Mexico. 6 weeks after the union was introduced, they announced the closure and shut the doors a year later

The scum bag that organized it all was hired by the UAW as a traveling organizer with a salary of $86K a year. This was 2006

That sucks. How long did it take you to find another plant to work at? Were your manufacturing skills specifically for that industry?

 

[423Hurricane]

That sucks. How long did it take you to find another plant to work at? Were your manufacturing skills specifically for that industry?

Took me about 6 months. I was in management and was offered a transfer but didn’t want to move to Ohio. LOL. It was an industrial manufacturing plant and there wasn’t much of that around here to begin with. My specialty is/was logistics so it translated really well.

Thanks for asking.

 

[MedleyCane]

Don't be a dumbass. The amount of money that constitutes "Pell Grants" is a drop in the ocean. The real money is in the funding of research.

So private universities do rely on the government for research funding, no? This was the point in response to claim that there was no reliance.
Again, I'm no expert on this, especially UM's business, but I worked at NASA and many of the research astronomers, etc working at public and private universities were being federally funded.
This was a long time ago, so things may have changed.

 

[jakeman1]

It will get shot down in court I'd guess, but maybe it will lead to some kind of CBA for college athletes in general.

 

[TemplarCane]

As I Political Science major and law school graduate, I would simply say that your conception of "executive orders" as merely the first step towards actual legislation is not supported by facts or history.

This is not about "agreeing on anything". Nobody needs "agreement". We needed the ACTUAL organization that can make and enforce its own rules (the NCAA) to have done so YEARS AGO, prior to the Alston case, and INCLUDING an actual enforcement of Wisconsin's obligation to enter a name into the Portal. We also needed politicians to stay out of the way, which Congress has managed to do very well.

There's no need for a "first step towards actual legislation". The NCAA abdicated that responsibility for decades, and now they are begging politicians to do the dirty work for them.

Again, "transfers" are NOT "the biggest issue in the sport right now". Payment is. And please note how the NCAA is NOT moving towards a collective bargaining solution that would dignify and compensate the actual players who make up "the sport" that we profess to love.

It's always been a very simple solution that does not require Congressional action or an executive order.

C. B. A.

Problem solved.

I’m fairly sure the recent round table on college athletics President Trump hosted, with conference commissioners, athletic directors, Nick Saban, and other coaches likely did not have anyone representing the players. Not surprised.