ESPN ranks all 134 Division I-A Quarterback Rooms (check out Tier 10)

[TheOriginalCane]

Tier 1:

Alabama - Jalen Milroe, Ty Simpson

Georgia - Carson Beck, Jaden Rashada, Gunner Stockton

Oregon - Dillon Gabriel, Dante Moore

Texas - Quinn Ewers, Arch Manning

Tier 2:

Arizona - Noah Fifita

Colorado - Shadeur Sanders

Kansas - Jalon Daniels

Miami - Cam Ward

Utah - Cam Rising, Sam Huard

Tier 3:

Memphis - Seth Henigan, Cade Cunningham

Missouri - Brady Cook, Drew Payne

Ohio State - Will Howard, Devin Brown, Julian Sayin

Ole Miss - Jaxson Dart, Walker Howard

Tier 4:

Kansas State - Avery Johnson

Nebraska - Dylan Raiola, Henrich Haarberg

Oklahoma - Jackson Arnold, Casey Thompson

Tennessee - Nico Iamaleava, Gaston Moore

USC - Miller Moss, Jayden Maiava

Tier 5A:

Florida - Graham Mertz, D.J. Lagway

Georgia Tech: Haynes King, Zach Pyron

Virginia Tech: Kyron Drones, Collin Schlee

Oklahoma State: Alan Bowman, Garret Rangel

Tier 5B:

Florida State: DJ Uiagalelei, Brock Glenn

NC State: Grayson McCall

Notre Dame: Riley Leonard, Steve Angeli

Syracuse: Kyle McCord, Carlos Del Rio-Wilson

Tier 6:

Iowa State: Rocco Becht, J.J. Kohl

SMU - Preston Stone

TCU - Josh Hoover, Ken Seals, Hauss Hejny

West Virginia: Garrett Greene, Nicco Marchiol

Tier 7:

Clemson: Cade Klubnik, Christopher Vizzina

Duke: Maalik Murphy, Grayson Loftis, Henry Belin IV

Penn State: Drew Allar

Texas A&M: Conner Weigman, Jaylen Henderson

Tier 8:

Kentucky - Brock Vandagriff, Beau Allen, Gavin Wimsatt

LSU: Garrett Nussmeier, AJ Swann, Rickie Collins

Michigan: Alex Orji, Jayden Denegal, Jack Tuttle

Maryland: Billy Edwards, MJ Morris, Cameron Edge

North Carolina: Conner Harrell, Max Johnson, Jacolby Criswell

Tier 9:

Appalachian State: Joey Aguilar

Liberty: Kaidon Salter

Miami (Ohio): Brett Gabbert

Texas State: Jordan McCloud

USF: Byrum Brown

Western Kentucky: TJ Finley, Caden Veltkamp

Tier 10:

Louisville: Tyler Shough, Brady Allen, Pierce Clarkson

Mississippi State: Blake Shapen, Michael Van Buren

UCF: KJ Jefferson, Jacurri Brown

Washington: Will Rogers, Demond Williams Jr.

Wisconsin: Tyler Van Dyke, Braedyn Locke

Tier 11a:

Arkansas: Taylen Green, Malachi Singleton

Baylor: Dequann Finn, Sawyer Robertson, RJ Martinez

Cal: Chandler Rogers, Fernando Mendoza

Indiana: Kurtis Rourke, Tayven Jackson

Vanderbilt: Diego Pavia, Nate Johnson

Wake Forest: Hank Bachmeier, Michael Kern, Jeremy Hecklinski

Tier 11b:

Boise State: Malachi Nelson, Maddux Madsen

James Madison: Dylan Morris, Brett Griffis, Alonza Barnett III

North Texas: Chandler Morris, Stone Earle

Utah State: Spencer Petras, Bryson Barnes

Tier 12:

Boston College: Thomas Castellanos, Grayson James

Michigan State: Aidan Chiles, Tommy Schuster

Pitt: Nate Yarnell, Eli Holstein

Texas Tech: Behren Morton

Tulane: Kai Horton, Ty Thompson

Virginia: Anthony Colandrea, Tony Muskett

Tier 13:

Auburn: Payton Thorne, Walker White, Holden Geriner

Houston: Donovan Smith, Zeon Chriss

Illinois: Luke Altmyer, Donovan Leary

Iowa: Cade McNamara, Brendan Sullivan

Purdue: Hudson Card, Marcos Davila

Tier 14:

Cincinnati: Brendan Sorsby, Brady Lichtenberg

Minnesota: Max Brosmer, Drake Lindsey, Dylan Wittke

Oregon State: Ben Gulbranson, Gevani McCoy, Cooper Jensen

South Carolina: LaNorris Sellers, Robby Ashford, Davis Beville

UCLA: Ethan Garbers, Chase Griffin, Justyn Martin, Demaricus Davis

Tier 15:

Arkansas State: Jaylen Raynor, Will Prichard, Timmy McClain

FAU: Cam Fancher, Kasen Weisman

Fresno State: Mikey Keene

Rice: AJ Padgett, E.J. Warner

South Alabama: Gio Lopez, Jared Hollins

Tulsa: Cooper Legas, Cardell Williams, Kirk Francis

UAB: Jacob Zeno, Landry Lyddy

Colorado State: Brayden Fowler-Nicolosi

Tier 16:

Arizona State: Jeff Sims, Trenton Bourguet, Sam Leavitt

BYU: Gerry Bohanon, Jake Retzlaff

Northwestern: Jack Lausch, Ryan Hilinski, Mike Wright

Rutgers: Athan Kaliakmanis

Stanford: Ashton Daniels, Justin Lamson, Elijah Brown

Washington State: John Mateer, Zevi Eckhaus

Tier 17:

Air Force: Zac Larrier, Jensen Jones

Army: Bryson Daily

Bowling Green: Connor Bazelak, Camden Orth

Hawai'i: Brayden Schager, Jake Farrell

Jacksonville State: Zion Turner, Logan Smothers

Louisiana: Ben Wooldridge, Chandler Fields

Marshall: Cole Pennington, Mitch Griffis, Braylon Braxton

Middle Tennessee: Nicholas Vattiato, Luther Richesson

Old Dominion: Grant Wilson, Emmett Morehead

Sam Houston: Jase Bauer, Grant Gunnell

Toledo: Tucker Gleason, John Alan Richter

Western Michigan: Hayden Wolff, Mark Konecny

Tier 18:

Akron: Ben Finley, Tahj Bullock

Charlotte: Max Brown, Trexler Ivey

Coastal Carolina: Ethan Vasko, Noah Kim

East Carolina: Jake Garcia, Katin Houser

Georgia Southern: JC French, Dexter Williams II

Georgia State: Christian Veilleux, Kyle Lowe

Nevada: Brendon Lewis, Chubba Purdy, AJ Bianco

San Diego State: AJ Duffy, Kyle Crum

Southern Miss: Tate Rodemaker, Ethan Crawford

UConn: Nick Evers, Joe ***nano

UTSA: Owen McCown, Eddie Lee Marburger

Tier 19:

Central Michigan: Bert Emanuel, Tyler Pape, Tyler Jefferson

Eastern Michigan: Cole Snyder, Drew Viotto

Louisiana Tech: Jack Turner, Evan Bullock

Ohio: CJ Harris, Parker Navarro

San José State: Walker Eget, Emmett Brown

Troy: Goose Crowder

UTEP: Cade McConnell, Skyler Locklear

Wyoming: Evan Svoboda, Jayden Clemons

Tier 20:

Ball State: Kadin Semonza

Buffalo: CJ Ogbonna, Gunnar Gray, Jack Shields

FIU: Keyone Jenkins, Haden Carlson

Kennesaw State: Davis Bryson, Braden Bohannon

Kent State: Tommy Ulatowski, Devin Kargman

Navy: Blake Horvath, Braxton Woodson

New Mexico: Devon Dampier, Justin Holaday, Elijah Brody, Sol-Jay Maiava-Peters

New Mexico State: Deuce Hogan, Jake McNamara

Northern Illinois: Ethan Hampton, Josh Holst, Jalen Macon

Temple: Evan Simon, Clifton McDowell

UL Monroe: Hunter Herring

UMass: Taisun Phommachanh, Ahmad Haston

UNLV: Matthew Sluka, Hajj-Malik Williams

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ranking all 134 FBS QB situations into tiers ahead of the 2024 season

There is some genuine talent and potential in our QB rankings, but is there anyone ready to take the spotlight?

www.espn.com

 

[rascon]

Not sure how much stock I put in that article. Seems like they overlooked the backup situation for some teams and didn’t give enough credit to teams that have serviceable options in the wings. To me, you look at the ceiling and the floor when evaluating the QB room.

I think Texas is tier 1 by themselves this year, based off the improvement we’ve been seeing/hearing about Arch. If Quinn goes down, I could see Arch keeping Texas in the NC race.

If Milroe, Beck or Gabriel goes down, those teams NC hopes are gonzo imo.

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

Here to see the tiers of our rivals.

 

[mcnaire2004]

Yeah that makes no sense. Sports writers apparently don't know how to use "tiers." No excuse for there being 20 of them. Really another lazy article trying to appeal on the broadest basis without substance. Casually using backups as needed depending on how they're interchanging the words "situation" and "room" haphazardly.

I guess cool we are mentioned. Jake and TVD still exist so that's relevant I guess.

 

[DTP]

All joking aside, they did UCF dirty. KJ Jefferson is a proven commodity who played well against a lot of really good SEC defenses and they’re ranked below teams who don’t have a guy who’s started a game yet.

 

[Novacane32000]

Welp.Here is a stat you wont believe. TVD had a higher Passer rating than Cam did in 2023.

 

[301cane]

****, I was hoping it would be Trailerhassee and Swamptown scraping the bottom of the barrel

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Welp.Here is a stat you wont believe. TVD had a higher Passer rating than Cam did in 2023.

View attachment 291062

And I don't believe it.

Ward was more accurate throwing almost 50% more passes than TVD threw. Ward has more passing yards. Ward has more TD passes. Ward has fewer interceptions. Ward has more rushing yards. Ward has more rushing TDs.

There is no planet on which TVD's passer rating should be higher than Cam's, even if it's only by 0.14 points.

If you literally took away ONE INCOMPLETION from Cam, his passer rating would be higher than TVD's.

This is one of those times when the QB rating calculation is a joke. The ONLY reason why the guy with more accuracy, more yards, more TDs, fewer INTs, and more completions is ranked lower is because he threw the ball more.

A QB who goes 1-for-1 throwing a 10-yard TD pass would have a 514 QB rating.

That's just wrong.

 

[grover]

I didn’t know Garcia was still active. He’s a starter now?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Here to see the tiers of our rivals.

Here to see the tears period

 

[Ispyin]

Tier 1:

Alabama - Jalen Milroe, Ty Simpson

Georgia - Carson Beck, Jaden Rashada, Gunner Stockton

Oregon - Dillon Gabriel, Dante Moore

Texas - Quinn Ewers, Arch Manning

Tier 2:

Arizona - Noah Fifita

Colorado - Shadeur Sanders

Kansas - Jalon Daniels

Miami - Cam Ward

Utah - Cam Rising, Sam Huard

Tier 3:

Memphis - Seth Henigan, Cade Cunningham

Missouri - Brady Cook, Drew Payne

Ohio State - Will Howard, Devin Brown, Julian Sayin

Ole Miss - Jaxson Dart, Walker Howard

Tier 4:

Kansas State - Avery Johnson

Nebraska - Dylan Raiola, Henrich Haarberg

Oklahoma - Jackson Arnold, Casey Thompson

Tennessee - Nico Iamaleava, Gaston Moore

USC - Miller Moss, Jayden Maiava

Tier 5A:

Florida - Graham Mertz, D.J. Lagway

Georgia Tech: Haynes King, Zach Pyron

Virginia Tech: Kyron Drones, Collin Schlee

Oklahoma State: Alan Bowman, Garret Rangel

Tier 5B:

Florida State: DJ Uiagalelei, Brock Glenn

NC State: Grayson McCall

Notre Dame: Riley Leonard, Steve Angeli

Syracuse: Kyle McCord, Carlos Del Rio-Wilson

Tier 6:

Iowa State: Rocco Becht, J.J. Kohl

SMU - Preston Stone

TCU - Josh Hoover, Ken Seals, Hauss Hejny

West Virginia: Garrett Greene, Nicco Marchiol

Tier 7:

Clemson: Cade Klubnik, Christopher Vizzina

Duke: Maalik Murphy, Grayson Loftis, Henry Belin IV

Penn State: Drew Allar

Texas A&M: Conner Weigman, Jaylen Henderson

Tier 8:

Kentucky - Brock Vandagriff, Beau Allen, Gavin Wimsatt

LSU: Garrett Nussmeier, AJ Swann, Rickie Collins

Michigan: Alex Orji, Jayden Denegal, Jack Tuttle

Maryland: Billy Edwards, MJ Morris, Cameron Edge

North Carolina: Conner Harrell, Max Johnson, Jacolby Criswell

Tier 9:

Appalachian State: Joey Aguilar

Liberty: Kaidon Salter

Miami (Ohio): Brett Gabbert

Texas State: Jordan McCloud

USF: Byrum Brown

Western Kentucky: TJ Finley, Caden Veltkamp

Tier 10:

Louisville: Tyler Shough, Brady Allen, Pierce Clarkson

Mississippi State: Blake Shapen, Michael Van Buren

UCF: KJ Jefferson, Jacurri Brown

Washington: Will Rogers, Demond Williams Jr.

Wisconsin: Tyler Van Dyke, Braedyn Locke

Tier 11a:

Arkansas: Taylen Green, Malachi Singleton

Baylor: Dequann Finn, Sawyer Robertson, RJ Martinez

Cal: Chandler Rogers, Fernando Mendoza

Indiana: Kurtis Rourke, Tayven Jackson

Vanderbilt: Diego Pavia, Nate Johnson

Wake Forest: Hank Bachmeier, Michael Kern, Jeremy Hecklinski

Tier 11b:

Boise State: Malachi Nelson, Maddux Madsen

James Madison: Dylan Morris, Brett Griffis, Alonza Barnett III

North Texas: Chandler Morris, Stone Earle

Utah State: Spencer Petras, Bryson Barnes

Tier 12:

Boston College: Thomas Castellanos, Grayson James

Michigan State: Aidan Chiles, Tommy Schuster

Pitt: Nate Yarnell, Eli Holstein

Texas Tech: Behren Morton

Tulane: Kai Horton, Ty Thompson

Virginia: Anthony Colandrea, Tony Muskett

Tier 13:

Auburn: Payton Thorne, Walker White, Holden Geriner

Houston: Donovan Smith, Zeon Chriss

Illinois: Luke Altmyer, Donovan Leary

Iowa: Cade McNamara, Brendan Sullivan

Purdue: Hudson Card, Marcos Davila

Tier 14:

Cincinnati: Brendan Sorsby, Brady Lichtenberg

Minnesota: Max Brosmer, Drake Lindsey, Dylan Wittke

Oregon State: Ben Gulbranson, Gevani McCoy, Cooper Jensen

South Carolina: LaNorris Sellers, Robby Ashford, Davis Beville

UCLA: Ethan Garbers, Chase Griffin, Justyn Martin, Demaricus Davis

Tier 15:

Arkansas State: Jaylen Raynor, Will Prichard, Timmy McClain

FAU: Cam Fancher, Kasen Weisman

Fresno State: Mikey Keene

Rice: AJ Padgett, E.J. Warner

South Alabama: Gio Lopez, Jared Hollins

Tulsa: Cooper Legas, Cardell Williams, Kirk Francis

UAB: Jacob Zeno, Landry Lyddy

Colorado State: Brayden Fowler-Nicolosi

Tier 16:

Arizona State: Jeff Sims, Trenton Bourguet, Sam Leavitt

BYU: Gerry Bohanon, Jake Retzlaff

Northwestern: Jack Lausch, Ryan Hilinski, Mike Wright

Rutgers: Athan Kaliakmanis

Stanford: Ashton Daniels, Justin Lamson, Elijah Brown

Washington State: John Mateer, Zevi Eckhaus

Tier 17:

Air Force: Zac Larrier, Jensen Jones

Army: Bryson Daily

Bowling Green: Connor Bazelak, Camden Orth

Hawai'i: Brayden Schager, Jake Farrell

Jacksonville State: Zion Turner, Logan Smothers

Louisiana: Ben Wooldridge, Chandler Fields

Marshall: Cole Pennington, Mitch Griffis, Braylon Braxton

Middle Tennessee: Nicholas Vattiato, Luther Richesson

Old Dominion: Grant Wilson, Emmett Morehead

Sam Houston: Jase Bauer, Grant Gunnell

Toledo: Tucker Gleason, John Alan Richter

Western Michigan: Hayden Wolff, Mark Konecny

Tier 18:

Akron: Ben Finley, Tahj Bullock

Charlotte: Max Brown, Trexler Ivey

Coastal Carolina: Ethan Vasko, Noah Kim

East Carolina: Jake Garcia, Katin Houser

Georgia Southern: JC French, Dexter Williams II

Georgia State: Christian Veilleux, Kyle Lowe

Nevada: Brendon Lewis, Chubba Purdy, AJ Bianco

San Diego State: AJ Duffy, Kyle Crum

Southern Miss: Tate Rodemaker, Ethan Crawford

UConn: Nick Evers, Joe ***nano

UTSA: Owen McCown, Eddie Lee Marburger

Tier 19:

Central Michigan: Bert Emanuel, Tyler Pape, Tyler Jefferson

Eastern Michigan: Cole Snyder, Drew Viotto

Louisiana Tech: Jack Turner, Evan Bullock

Ohio: CJ Harris, Parker Navarro

San José State: Walker Eget, Emmett Brown

Troy: Goose Crowder

UTEP: Cade McConnell, Skyler Locklear

Wyoming: Evan Svoboda, Jayden Clemons

Tier 20:

Ball State: Kadin Semonza

Buffalo: CJ Ogbonna, Gunnar Gray, Jack Shields

FIU: Keyone Jenkins, Haden Carlson

Kennesaw State: Davis Bryson, Braden Bohannon

Kent State: Tommy Ulatowski, Devin Kargman

Navy: Blake Horvath, Braxton Woodson

New Mexico: Devon Dampier, Justin Holaday, Elijah Brody, Sol-Jay Maiava-Peters

New Mexico State: Deuce Hogan, Jake McNamara

Northern Illinois: Ethan Hampton, Josh Holst, Jalen Macon

Temple: Evan Simon, Clifton McDowell

UL Monroe: Hunter Herring

UMass: Taisun Phommachanh, Ahmad Haston

UNLV: Matthew Sluka, Hajj-Malik Williams

So top 10

 

[Novacane32000]

And I don't believe it.

Ward was more accurate throwing almost 50% more passes than TVD threw. Ward has more passing yards. Ward has more TD passes. Ward has fewer interceptions. Ward has more rushing yards. Ward has more rushing TDs.

There is no planet on which TVD's passer rating should be higher than Cam's, even if it's only by 0.14 points.

If you literally took away ONE INCOMPLETION from Cam, his passer rating would be higher than TVD's.

This is one of those times when the QB rating calculation is a joke. The ONLY reason why the guy with more accuracy, more yards, more TDs, fewer INTs, and more completions is ranked lower is because he threw the ball more.

A QB who goes 1-for-1 throwing a 10-yard TD pass would have a 514 QB rating.

That's just wrong

And I don't believe it.

Ward was more accurate throwing almost 50% more passes than TVD threw. Ward has more passing yards. Ward has more TD passes. Ward has fewer interceptions. Ward has more rushing yards. Ward has more rushing TDs.

There is no planet on which TVD's passer rating should be higher than Cam's, even if it's only by 0.14 points.

If you literally took away ONE INCOMPLETION from Cam, his passer rating would be higher than TVD's.

This is one of those times when the QB rating calculation is a joke. The ONLY reason why the guy with more accuracy, more yards, more TDs, fewer INTs, and more completions is ranked lower is because he threw the ball more.

A QB who goes 1-for-1 throwing a 10-yard TD pass would have a 514 QB rating.

That's just wrong.

Actually, the reason TVD has a higher QB rating is due to his higher yards per attempt (8.1 vs 7.7). Whether justified or not, this single statistic significantly impacts the overall rating.

 

[DTP]

And I don't believe it.

Ward was more accurate throwing almost 50% more passes than TVD threw. Ward has more passing yards. Ward has more TD passes. Ward has fewer interceptions. Ward has more rushing yards. Ward has more rushing TDs.

There is no planet on which TVD's passer rating should be higher than Cam's, even if it's only by 0.14 points.

If you literally took away ONE INCOMPLETION from Cam, his passer rating would be higher than TVD's.

This is one of those times when the QB rating calculation is a joke. The ONLY reason why the guy with more accuracy, more yards, more TDs, fewer INTs, and more completions is ranked lower is because he threw the ball more.

A QB who goes 1-for-1 throwing a 10-yard TD pass would have a 514 QB rating.

That's just wrong.

NCAA passer rating puts a really high premium on yards per attempt. A guy with plenty of time to throw deep passes or a guy with receivers who can get lots of YAC get a really nice boost in their rating. Where a guy who has to get the ball out fast and doesn’t really push it downfield will get punished.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Actually, the reason TVD has a higher QB rating is due to his higher yards per attempt (8.1 vs 7.7). Whether justified or not, this single statistic significantly impacts the overall rating.

No. No it doesn't. Look up the formula, it doesn't have anything to do with higher yards per attempt. Besides, the "Adjusted Yards Per Attempt" favors Ward.

Again, things like accuracy, touchdowns, and LACK OF interceptions get diminished by more attempts. Which is just ridiculous.

Any formula which wipes out advantages in accuracy, yardage, TDs, and INTs with a 0.4 edge in yards per attempt is a joke. As I pointed out, if Ward had ONE LESS THROWAWAY INCOMPLETION, he would have a higher QB rating than TVD. So an entire season's worth of statistics would be impacted by ONE incompletion.

QB rating is a garbage stat.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

NCAA passer rating puts a really high premium on yards per attempt. A guy with plenty of time to throw deep passes or a guy with receivers who can get lots of YAC get a really nice boost in their rating. Where a guy who has to get the ball out fast and doesn’t really push it downfield will get punished.

Yards per attempt is not in the formula.

Rate -- Passing Efficiency Rating; the formula is (8.4 * Yds + 330 * TD - 200 * Int + 100 * Cmp) / Att

Now, one can argue that every bit of the formula is impacted by "per attempt", since the formula literally divides everything by attempts.

There are two primary flaws with the QB rating.

First, the positive impact of a TD is 1.65 times the negative impact of an INT. However, in the "adjusted yards per attempt" stat, the positive impact of a TD is 0.44 times the negative impact of an INT. Without thinking about ANY OTHER STAT, would you rather have a QB who throws 19 TDs and 12 INTs (TVD), or a QB who throws 25 TDs and 7 INTs (Ward)? Easy answer, right? I mean, we know there is a big qualitative difference between a 1 yard TD pass and a 60 yard TD pass, but every INT is deadly and should be valued accordingly.

Second, the smaller coefficient on completions devalues the accuracy percentage. Ward has a 0.8% advantage in accuracy, while TVD has a 0.4 yard advantage in yards per attempt. Essentially, those two things should be a wash due to them both being "per attempt" stats. But somehow, the stat which can be heavily impacted by YAC (yards per attempt) can somehow overwhelm the stat that the QB has more control over (accuracy). Which is weird.

Regardless, as I already pointed out, if Ward doesn't throw the ball away ONE time during the season, he has the higher QB rating. That's a fact.

 

[DTP]

Yards per attempt is not in the formula.

Rate -- Passing Efficiency Rating; the formula is (8.4 * Yds + 330 * TD - 200 * Int + 100 * Cmp) / Att

Now, one can argue that every bit of the formula is impacted by "per attempt", since the formula literally divides everything by attempts.

There are two primary flaws with the QB rating.

First, the positive impact of a TD is 1.65 times the negative impact of an INT. However, in the "adjusted yards per attempt" stat, the positive impact of a TD is 0.44 times the negative impact of an INT. Without thinking about ANY OTHER STAT, would you rather have a QB who throws 19 TDs and 12 INTs (TVD), or a QB who throws 25 TDs and 7 INTs (Ward)? Easy answer, right? I mean, we know there is a big qualitative difference between a 1 yard TD pass and a 60 yard TD pass, but every INT is deadly and should be valued accordingly.

Second, the smaller coefficient on completions devalues the accuracy percentage. Ward has a 0.8% advantage in accuracy, while TVD has a 0.4 yard advantage in yards per attempt. Essentially, those two things should be a wash due to them both being "per attempt" stats. But somehow, the stat which can be heavily impacted by YAC (yards per attempt) can somehow overwhelm the stat that the QB has more control over (accuracy). Which is weird.

Regardless, as I already pointed out, if Ward doesn't throw the ball away ONE time during the season, he has the higher QB rating. That's a fact.

I just know that if two guys have identical numbers but one guy has a higher YPA, his rating is always higher. But it does make sense in the formula since he’s essentially getting the same counting stats but in fewer attempts.

I also believe this is why more media outlets are going with QBR over the old passer rating system which is clearly flawed to over value some metrics and undervalue others.

 

[Home Slice]

Post season
Canes Tier 1

 

[Novacane32000]

Yards per attempt is not in the formula.

Rate -- Passing Efficiency Rating; the formula is (8.4 * Yds + 330 * TD - 200 * Int + 100 * Cmp) / Att

Now, one can argue that every bit of the formula is impacted by "per attempt", since the formula literally divides everything by attempts.

There are two primary flaws with the QB rating.

First, the positive impact of a TD is 1.65 times the negative impact of an INT. However, in the "adjusted yards per attempt" stat, the positive impact of a TD is 0.44 times the negative impact of an INT. Without thinking about ANY OTHER STAT, would you rather have a QB who throws 19 TDs and 12 INTs (TVD), or a QB who throws 25 TDs and 7 INTs (Ward)? Easy answer, right? I mean, we know there is a big qualitative difference between a 1 yard TD pass and a 60 yard TD pass, but every INT is deadly and should be valued accordingly.

Second, the smaller coefficient on completions devalues the accuracy percentage. Ward has a 0.8% advantage in accuracy, while TVD has a 0.4 yard advantage in yards per attempt. Essentially, those two things should be a wash due to them both being "per attempt" stats. But somehow, the stat which can be heavily impacted by YAC (yards per attempt) can somehow overwhelm the stat that the QB has more control over (accuracy). Which is weird.

Regardless, as I already pointed out, if Ward doesn't throw the ball away ONE time during the season, he has the higher QB rating. That's a fact.

ATT stands for attempts. Yards /TD/ Interceptions and completions are all divided by attempts.

So yes, yards per attempt is in the formula and TVD was better. Not saying he is a better QB but it helped his passer rating.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I just know that if two guys have identical numbers but one guy has a higher YPA, his rating is always higher. But it does make sense in the formula since he’s essentially getting the same counting stats but in fewer attempts.

I also believe this is why more media outlets are going with QBR over the old passer rating system which is clearly flawed to over value some metrics and undervalue others.

Yes. And when you look at the rating metric I posted, it's called a "passer rating", there is nothing in there that includes rushing yardage or rushing TDs. Which, as we all know, is a very relevant factor for dual-threat QBs.

Not that it makes a huge difference, but if Ward got credit for his rushing yards and TDs, he would definitely be ahead of TVD.

And I think we can all agree, the one stat that KILLED US with TVD last year was INTs. No matter how great everything else might have been, those 12 passes KILLED US last year.