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MIATL said:
I'm going with UCF and Florida as being the top 2 in the state for this season.

Miami is 3.

What say you?
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Refer to my post on Sept 8. Obviously I was wrong about Florida with how bad I thought they still were. But, I'm not an extremist and I don't think we're an "outside the top 25" team like most people here. Because of how good our defense is, I will firmly remain that any game we play is a toss up.

TL;DR - I think Miami beats UF head to head. But production says UF has 1 loss and Miami has 2.
 
UCF barely beat Memphis who is garbage this year. I watched every play of the Memphis/Tulane game and lowly Tulane manhandled them and dominated them at every level. They are awful.

Wake me up when UCF beats someone with a pulse.
 
Uf played well vs a pretty good LSU team, but looked suspect vs Vandy, I have no clue how or if they're actually any good. They kinda remind me of us last year, we beat ND, which everyone thought was pretty good, then struggled with UVA and like us their defense is leading the way.
 
For_The_U said:
UCF barely beat Memphis who is garbage this year. I watched every play of the Memphis/Tulane game and lowly Tulane manhandled them and dominated them at every level. They are awful.

Wake me up when UCF beats someone with a pulse.
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On that note USF has got to be the worst undefeated team I've seen in years.
 
QuatroCane said:
Uf played well vs a pretty good LSU team, but looked suspect vs Vandy, I have no clue how or if they're actually any good. They kinda remind me of us last year, we beat ND, which everyone thought was pretty good, then struggled with UVA and like us their defense is leading the way.
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How did Notre Dame look against Vandy?
 
For_The_U said:
UCF barely beat Memphis who is garbage this year. I watched every play of the Memphis/Tulane game and lowly Tulane manhandled them and dominated them at every level. They are awful.

Wake me up when UCF beats someone with a pulse.
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Memphis played above their weight to start that game. And UCF put them back in their place.

I wish the Canes could have done that with UVA.
 
Astcloud11 said:
Refer to my post on Sept 8. Obviously I was wrong about Florida with how bad I thought they still were. But, I'm not an extremist and I don't think we're an "outside the top 25" team like most people here. Because of how good our defense is, I will firmly remain that any game we play is a toss up.

TL;DR - I think Miami beats UF head to head. But production says UF has 1 loss and Miami has 2.
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1st game of 2019 is gonna be interesting ... Richt in Year 4 vs. Mullen in Year 2.

And though I really do loathe the "I'd love to be proven wrong" guys/post ... I really am hoping Richt proves me wrong on my preference for Mullen.
 
MIATL said:
Memphis played above their weight to start that game. And UCF put them back in their place.

I wish the Canes could have done that with UVA.
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Put then back in their place is quite a stretch. That got **** lucky to win that game. Couple critical things at the end went their way or that was an L. And an L against a team that would be lucky to go 5-20 against the current top 25.
 
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Any team that loses to VIRGINIA with their ***king high school QB should be in the top 10 of the Hot Garbage Rankings
 
For_The_U said:
Put then back in their place is quite a stretch. That got **** lucky to win that game. Couple critical things at the end went their way or that was an L. And an L against a team that would be lucky to go 5-20 against the current top 25.
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There's always a critical play or 2 that decides close games. But winners find a way to make those critical plays go their way.

The fact remains, UCF hasn't lost a game since 2016. No other team in the FBS can say that. And EVERY team in the FBS has lost to a team they were favored to beat during that time ... Except, UCF.
 
MIATL said:
The fact remains, UCF hasn't lost a game since 2016. No other team in the FBS can say that.
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That's because most teams in FBS that are worth their salt play a half dozen strong teams a year. You think there's any chance UCF would go undefeated against, for example, LSU's schedule of: Miami, @Auburn, Ole Miss, UF, UGA, Miss St., Bama, @Arkansas and @A&M? Of course they wouldn't; they wouldn't even come close and would likely lose half of those if not more. So they are 6-0 vs a 120 strength of schedule. Woopty fvucking doo! Hang another banner!
 
For_The_U said:
That's because most teams in FBS that are worth their salt play a half dozen strong teams a year. You think there's any chance UCF would go undefeated against, for example, LSU's schedule of: Miami, @Auburn, Ole Miss, UF, UGA, Miss St., Bama, @Arkansas and @A&M? Of course they wouldn't; they wouldn't even come close and would likely lose half of those if not more. So they are 6-0 vs a 120 strength of schedule. Woopty fvucking doo! Hang another banner!
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I don't know what UCF would do with LSU's schedule. And neither do you.

Maybe they'd finish with the same record as LSU? So, what does that prove?

Here's what I do know:

I know UCF beat Auburn last year. I know UCF has a Heisman contender playing QB for them. And I know UCF hasn't lost a game since 2016.

If the college rankings are about what you do on the field, they can't do any more. They should be no lower than 5th in the country right now.

If the rankings are about program history, recruiting rankings, and win probabilities ... Then the NCAA should say that, and only rank P5 teams. Because, if that's the criteria, no G5 program will ever be worthy.
 
MIATL said:
I don't know what UCF would do with LSU's schedule. And neither do you.

Maybe they'd finish with the same record as LSU? So, what does that prove?

Here's what I do know:

I know UCF beat Auburn last year. I know UCF has a Heisman contender playing QB for them. And I know UCF hasn't lost a game since 2016.

If the college rankings are about what you do on the field, they can't do any more. They should be no lower than 5th in the country right now.

If the rankings are about program history, recruiting rankings, and win probabilities ... Then the NCAA should say that, and only rank P5 teams. Because, if that's the criteria, no G5 program will ever be worthy.
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Several of these points just don't hold water...

"If the college rankings are about what you do on the field, they can't do any more." Wrong, they could have wins over big time opponents and then they WOULD be ranked highly. f the Knights had a win in the regular season like that Auburn win last year, they would be near the top of the rankings and have a legitimate chance at making the playoffs. But wins over Memphis, USF and Cincinnati don't prove you are one of the best teams in CFB. Period. Mid major programs like Boise, pre-Big 12 TCU, Utah, Fresno, etc, boosted their national perception by taking road games against big dogs. The reality is their AD refuses to schedule powerhouse P5 teams unless they agree to a home-and-away. If UCF wants a chance at winning it all, they need to decide what's important to them.

"Because, if that's the criteria, no G5 program will ever be worthy." Correct, G5 teams who have SOS's that are 120+ have no chance of making it, and rightfully so. Who give a sh-t if a team is undefeated when they haven't played anyone?!? What does that prove? Nothing. If they schedule big opponents and beat them, they absolutely can win it all in the current system. Look no further than Houston a few years back who beat OU in the opener, were ranked as high as #5 with several big games left including one vs a top 10 at the time Louisville program. If that Houston team had won out they would have been in the playoff and 100% deserved to be there.

Maybe UCF would finish with the same record against LSU's schedule. And maybe they'd go 5 and 7. Personally, I think it would be much closer to the latter. But this BS talking point that they may go undefeated against a schedule like that simply doesn't hold water. Because they've never once played a good regular season schedule! The onus is not on the rest of the country to prove they can't, it is on them to prove they CAN. I can surely say I don't want CFB to become a system where all that matters is you win your 12 games. SOS absolutely HAS to be a critical component in determining the nation's best teams. Otherwise, why schedule good games at all? and big match ups are what make CFB so great.

Look, I'm not a UCF hater by any means. But touting the fact they win all their games as if that alone should mean they get to punch a ticket to the playoffs when their opponents are average at best, just falls flat. Most P5 teams, even the lesser ones, have depth at the 2nd and 3rd strings that most G5 teams do not. That is fact. And it is much more grueling to go against those teams week in and week out than it is to play the likes of Tulsa, Navy, Memphis, etc.

I can pretty confidently say there were a lot of ranked teams last year that very likely would have gone 12-0 vs UCF's schedule as well. And on the flip side of the coin, I personally don't believe UCF would have been 12-0 if they had played P5 rosters 8 out of the 12 weeks of the season. That's a completely different ballgame from getting up for one bowl game at the end of the year.

UCF will quite likely finish the season not having beaten a single team that ends up ranked in the top 25. AT BEST they might have a win over one or maybe 2 teams that are like 20-25. Teams that would likely get blown out by a marquee opponent like a Bama or an Ohio State. It isn't all about going undefeated, man. The only way to prove you are truly one of the best, is to beat the best. Period.
 
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For_The_U said:
Several of these points just don't hold water...

"If the college rankings are about what you do on the field, they can't do any more." Wrong, they could have wins over big time opponents and then they WOULD be ranked highly. f the Knights had a win in the regular season like that Auburn win last year, they would be near the top of the rankings and have a legitimate chance at making the playoffs. But wins over Memphis, USF and Cincinnati don't prove you are one of the best teams in CFB. Period. Mid major programs like Boise, pre-Big 12 TCU, Utah, Fresno, etc, boosted their national perception by taking road games against big dogs. The reality is their AD refuses to schedule powerhouse P5 teams unless they agree to a home-and-away. If UCF wants a chance at winning it all, they need to decide what's important to them.

"Because, if that's the criteria, no G5 program will ever be worthy." Correct, G5 teams who have SOS's that are 120+ have no chance of making it, and rightfully so. Who give a sh-t if a team is undefeated when they haven't played anyone?!? What does that prove? Nothing. If they schedule big opponents and beat them, they absolutely can win it all in the current system. Look no further than Houston a few years back who beat OU in the opener, were ranked as high as #5 with several big games left including one vs a top 10 at the time Louisville program. If that Houston team had won out they would have been in the playoff and 100% deserved to be there.

Maybe UCF would finish with the same record against LSU's schedule. And maybe they'd go 5 and 7. Personally, I think it would be much closer to the latter. But this BS talking point that they may go undefeated against a schedule like that simply doesn't hold water. Because they've never once played a good regular season schedule! The onus is not on the rest of the country to prove they can't, it is on them to prove they CAN. I can surely say I don't want CFB to become a system where all that matters is you win your 12 games. SOS absolutely HAS to be a critical component in determining the nation's best teams. Otherwise, why schedule good games at all? and big match ups are what make CFB so great.

Look, I'm not a UCF hater by any means. But touting the fact they win all their games as if that alone should mean they get to punch a ticket to the playoffs when their opponents are average at best, just falls flat. Most P5 teams, even the lesser ones, have depth at the 2nd and 3rd strings that most G5 teams do not. That is fact. And it is much more grueling to go against those teams week in and week out than it is to play the likes of Tulsa, Navy, Memphis, etc.

I can pretty confidently say there were a lot of ranked teams last year that very likely would have gone 12-0 vs UCF's schedule as well. And on the flip side of the coin, I personally don't believe UCF would have been 12-0 if they had played P5 rosters 8 out of the 12 weeks of the season. That's a completely different ballgame from getting up for one bowl game at the end of the year.

UCF will quite likely finish the season not having beaten a single team that ends up ranked in the top 25. AT BEST they might have a win over one or maybe 2 teams that are like 20-25. Teams that would likely get blown out by a marquee opponent like a Bama or an Ohio State. It isn't all about going undefeated, man. The only way to prove you are truly one of the best, is to beat the best. Period.
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This isn’t a video game. You can only play who will schedule you. You think Boise State, UCF, and pre-Big 12 TCU didn’t want to play more big boys?

They did and do. But the big boys have to schedule them.

If the NCAA is using SOS to make the decision, then they should make the schedules.

And this ain’t the 80s anymore. Talent is spread out. It’s not inconceivable a G5 team with a weak SOS could still be playoff worthy. And being undefeated (especially over a 2-year period) would be indicative of their worthiness.
 
MIATL said:
And being undefeated (especially over a 2-year period) would be indicative of their worthiness.
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How is a team going undefeated against bad competition indicative of their worthiness (in the context of being chosen as one of the top teams in the country)? That makes zero sense.

The issue re scheduling holds more water. I unquestionably think G5 schools that truly want to play big time opposition should be given that chance. And i recognize that is a challenge for a progeam like UCF. But its not impossible as several AAC teams have OOC matchups vs blue bloods scheduled in the next few years. Having said that, UCF's AD has stated they will only consider such matchups if the other school agrees to do a return game in Orlando and Im not aware of any they have yet gotten scheduled. Though that may not be fair, tough sh-t! Like i said, UCF wants to have a chance at making the playoffs? Then stop crying about the system and suck it up and do what Boise did back in the day and take one off road games vs any big boys that will play them.

Do that, and they'd finally have a legitimate chance at winning it all. But until they play those teams and win those games, the country will continue to dismiss them and their 120+ SOS, and rightfully so.
 
For_The_U said:
Put then back in their place is quite a stretch. That got **** lucky to win that game. Couple critical things at the end went their way or that was an L. And an L against a team that would be lucky to go 5-20 against the current top 25.
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Memphis should have a FG attempt at least on their last drive. **** poor by Norvell and the QB,
 
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