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Canesrule230 said:
Then espn shouldn’t post it and give it any credence at the beginning of the year. Wait until you have a size-able data sample and then post the results.

Don’t mistake this - espn uses this to justify the strength of the conferences they’re financially invested in. This is how the cfp jockeying for sec spots begins.
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Why would they do that? You're talking about it. You're giving them clicks. You're freaking out over something that you don't understand.
 
Brad_Wellson said:
The actual description at the bottom on the page, which I'm sure you haven't read, says that it represents points above/below an average team.

In other words, Ole Miss winning by 56 was measured to be a stronger performance vs. the average than anybody else.

But to be clear, I don't think what you said is a fair representation. I mean USC moved up more than Ole Miss.
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So this particular "algorithm" thinks it's better to beat up a horrendous Georgia State or Missouri State team than a top ten opponent. Just an FYI, just because it's called an "algorithm" doesn't mean its process is legitimate.
 
Brad_Wellson said:
Why would they do that? You're talking about it. You're giving them clicks. You're freaking out over something that you don't understand.
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Oh I understand it and I also have the right to call bs on it which I'm choosing to do. I'm also bringing it up because other fanbases are b*tching about it and we should as well. The ol "giving them clicks" argument is akin to keep your head down and let them control the sport.
 
TemplarCane said:
Miami beat #6 Notre Dame.

The Irish fall 3 spots to 9th and Miami moves up 2 spots to 15th.

Ole Miss beat Georgia State and moves up 6 spots to 4th.
Southern Cal beat Missouri State and moves up 8 spots to 6th.

The system is rigged.

Ole Miss favored for being in the $EC. Southern Cal favored for being in the Big Ten. Notre Dame favored for being Notre Dame.

Miami penalized for being in the ACC.

We all know this.
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Canesrule230 said:
I also have the right to call bs on it which I'm choosing to do.
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You have to right to say whatever you want. But you didn't call it "bs."

You claimed that it was essentially rigged to help prop up teams that ESPN has a financial stake in. Which is pretty much every conference (including the ACC).
 
Brad_Wellson said:
You have to right to say whatever you want. But you didn't call it "bs."

You claimed that it was essentially rigged to help prop up teams that ESPN has a financial stake in. Which is pretty much every conference (including the ACC).
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Its on their website - it really isn't that hard to figure out what they are trying to handicap. The problem is that early in the season its reliant on pre-season ratings which are absolute garbage (and likely subjective).

Two things can be true - its both bs (given the garbage pre-season information) and being used to prop up SEC teams. All that so at the end of the year the SEC/ESPN can point to "super important" fpi as another metric to jockey their teams into more cfp spots. Once the narratives start (which btw the sec gladly pushes with espn) it becomes harder for other conferences to get their teams in.

The SEC is espn's golden goose - they've invested in it and want to make it as attractive as possible. The "financial stake" espn has with the acc is more of a bargain deal to keep the conference alive until the next round of conference alignment.
 
Brad_Wellson said:
Just another knuckle dragger who doesn't understand algorithms.

There isn't a lot of data after one week.
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Garbage in, garbage out.
Too many eggheads that think they are experts because they can program.

It was an algorithm that put FSU in the title game in 2000, over a team that beat them.

I don’t have to understand stupid, but I know it when I see it.
 
The FPI ... includes data on the last 4 seasons (with an emphasis on the previous season).

What happened 4 seasons ago should have absolutely no bearing on rankings for THIS season.

"They have to use old data because it's still early in the season".

That would be true if they removed it from the algorithm at some point during the season. But they don't.

Here's an example from an end of the year FPI that proves it's crap.

"After the 2019 season, LSU was ranked behind Ohio State and Clemson in the final FPI, despite being the undefeated national champion and making numerous lists as one of the best teams of all time."
 
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Brad_Wellson said:
You have to right to say whatever you want. But you didn't call it "bs."

You claimed that it was essentially rigged to help prop up teams that ESPN has a financial stake in. Which is pretty much every conference (including the ACC).
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You think ESPN treats the ACC in the same regard as the SEC, because they show games from both conferences?

And you’re calling people here dumb?
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
The FPI ... includes data on the last 4 seasons (with an emphasis on the previous season).

What happened 4 seasons ago should have absolutely no bearing on rankings for THIS season.

"They have to use old data because it's still early in the season".

That would be true if they removed it from the algorithm at some point during the season. But they don't.

Here's an example from an end of the year FPI that proves it's crap.

"After the 2019 season, LSU was ranked behind Ohio State and Clemson in the final FPI, despite being the undefeated national champion and making numerous lists as one of the best teams of all time."
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My issue with it as well is that I flat out don't trust the data input. Like RF-4CCane said above garbage in - garbage out. And I don't trust espn's journalistic integrity to believe that their starting data input is accurate/unbiased.
 
Canesrule230 said:
Its on their website - it really isn't that hard to figure out what they are trying to handicap. The problem is that early in the season its reliant on pre-season ratings which are absolute garbage (and likely subjective).

Two things can be true - its both bs (given the garbage pre-season information) and being used to prop up SEC teams. All that so at the end of the year the SEC/ESPN can point to "super important" fpi as another metric to jockey their teams into more cfp spots. Once the narratives start (which btw the sec gladly pushes with espn) it becomes harder for other conferences to get their teams in.

The SEC is espn's golden goose - they've invested in it and want to make it as attractive as possible. The "financial stake" espn has with the acc is more of a bargain deal to keep the conference alive until the next round of conference alignment.
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So now that you've been forced to back peddle on your nonsense business claims you've decided to just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.

So apparently ESPN only cares about business when it's the SEC. They're OK losing money and burying their business partners if it's the ACC or Big 12!
 
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