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Enos is the OC version of Randy Shannon

filmcane said:
My biggest complaint with Randy was the absolute lack of adjustments during the game. He had a strong basic set and his D's at the U were usually decent at tackling, but his lack of ability to make adjustments on D, especially in the 2nd half of games, is what lost us the 2003 Fiasco bowl among other contests.

Enos, has a good base to his offense. I like our pro set, I like that we at least have some pre-snap movement, etc. Also, before the opposing DC adjusts, we've been moving the ball early in halves. HOWEVER, just like Randy, he doesn't make adjustments to amplify the strengths on his team. Like Randy.

Look, I'm a fan watching games and I, along with 99% of the fans on this site, see that even against CMU, we can't have our QB drop back, read the field, go through his progressions and then deliver a strike. We might possibly have the worst OL in a Power 5 conference and that is not hyperbole. If you actually watch our full games and then watch middle of the road teams from non-power 5, I can't think of one that is worse consistently than ours.

So, what should a million dollar, highly rated OC do? Adjust. The QB should have a rolling pocket, which will take away some of his options, but WHO CARES???

JW's release of the ball needs to be on an internal count. By (fill in appropriate number) he needs to throw a strike, run or throw it out of bounds.

Um, where's the wildcat? I said in the beginning of the season, if we're not running it at least 5 times a game with DJ, we're wasting his talent.

Anyway, it goes back to Manny and how cutthroat and serious about winning he really is. If he has any intention of a sustainable career as a HC at a P5 school, he better put every last coach on notice. So, let's see if Enos uses his supposed offensive genius to adjust.
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Randy Shannon always had a defense in the top 5.

We are no where near the top 5 in anything on offense so this is a bad comparison
 
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Astcloud11 said:
Also, just to clarifiy that I'm arguing your specific point. Your biggest accusation is that Randy lost us the Fiest Bowl by failing to adjust in the 2nd half. You do realize the Suckeyes only score in the 2nd half was a field goal as opposed to the 2 TDs they had in the first half?
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Plus Through 4 quarters, we held OSU to 180 yards of total offense.

We lost because we had 5 turnovers
 
filmcane said:
My biggest complaint with Randy was the absolute lack of adjustments during the game. He had a strong basic set and his D's at the U were usually decent at tackling, but his lack of ability to make adjustments on D, especially in the 2nd half of games, is what lost us the 2003 Fiasco bowl among other contests.

Enos, has a good base to his offense. I like our pro set, I like that we at least have some pre-snap movement, etc. Also, before the opposing DC adjusts, we've been moving the ball early in halves. HOWEVER, just like Randy, he doesn't make adjustments to amplify the strengths on his team. Like Randy.

Look, I'm a fan watching games and I, along with 99% of the fans on this site, see that even against CMU, we can't have our QB drop back, read the field, go through his progressions and then deliver a strike. We might possibly have the worst OL in a Power 5 conference and that is not hyperbole. If you actually watch our full games and then watch middle of the road teams from non-power 5, I can't think of one that is worse consistently than ours.

So, what should a million dollar, highly rated OC do? Adjust. The QB should have a rolling pocket, which will take away some of his options, but WHO CARES???

JW's release of the ball needs to be on an internal count. By (fill in appropriate number) he needs to throw a strike, run or throw it out of bounds.

Um, where's the wildcat? I said in the beginning of the season, if we're not running it at least 5 times a game with DJ, we're wasting his talent.

Anyway, it goes back to Manny and how cutthroat and serious about winning he really is. If he has any intention of a sustainable career as a HC at a P5 school, he better put every last coach on notice. So, let's see if Enos uses his supposed offensive genius to adjust.
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The HC is the Cuban Randy Shannon
 
jjm305 said:
He helped develope them as about as much as Coker helped developed anyone
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Yup. All of our players got drafted back to back off potential. They weren't coached well or anything. They were all world beaters and had spectacular high school coaches who did way more than their college position coaches ever did. Ed Reed wouldn't be any different if Paul William's coached em. Mark Stoops was just there to watch greatness coach itself.
 
ToiletWater said:
Randy Shannon always had a defense in the top 5.

We are no where near the top 5 in anything on offense so this is a bad comparison
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And, Enos trained two QB's that are in the Heisman race this year. Point is not arguing whether or not these guys could perform with elite talent (PITT just put 35 on his vaunted D) the point is that neither of them made/make adjustments when it's necessary and obvious.
 
Astcloud11 said:
Yup. All of our players got drafted back to back off potential. They weren't coached well or anything. They were all world beaters and had spectacular high school coaches who did way more than their college position coaches ever did. Ed Reed wouldn't be any different if Paul William's coached em. Mark Stoops was just there to watch greatness coach itself.

You act like this is something new. Did James Coley all of a sudden wake up one day and become a better OC or does he simply have superior players now?
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jjm305 said:
You act like this is something new. Did James Coley all of a sudden wake up one day and become a better OC or does he simply have superior players now?
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James Coley's offense looks the same at UGA...did you even watch their games? Difference is he has a defense now.
 
Eh, Shannon's defenses surprisingly performed according to the talent he had on hand. In the early 2000's, with a boatload of NFL first rounders, his defense was incredible. As the years passed and talent levels went down, his defenses incredibly also got worse. It's almost like anybody is good when you have all the best players. Case in point, Enos at Alabama.
 
filmcane said:
My biggest complaint with Randy was the absolute lack of adjustments during the game. He had a strong basic set and his D's at the U were usually decent at tackling, but his lack of ability to make adjustments on D, especially in the 2nd half of games, is what lost us the 2003 Fiasco bowl among other contests.

Enos, has a good base to his offense. I like our pro set, I like that we at least have some pre-snap movement, etc. Also, before the opposing DC adjusts, we've been moving the ball early in halves. HOWEVER, just like Randy, he doesn't make adjustments to amplify the strengths on his team. Like Randy.

Look, I'm a fan watching games and I, along with 99% of the fans on this site, see that even against CMU, we can't have our QB drop back, read the field, go through his progressions and then deliver a strike. We might possibly have the worst OL in a Power 5 conference and that is not hyperbole. If you actually watch our full games and then watch middle of the road teams from non-power 5, I can't think of one that is worse consistently than ours.

So, what should a million dollar, highly rated OC do? Adjust. The QB should have a rolling pocket, which will take away some of his options, but WHO CARES???

JW's release of the ball needs to be on an internal count. By (fill in appropriate number) he needs to throw a strike, run or throw it out of bounds.

Um, where's the wildcat? I said in the beginning of the season, if we're not running it at least 5 times a game with DJ, we're wasting his talent.

Anyway, it goes back to Manny and how cutthroat and serious about winning he really is. If he has any intention of a sustainable career as a HC at a P5 school, he better put every last coach on notice. So, let's see if Enos uses his supposed offensive genius to adjust.
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Dont be clueless and let your emotions cloud facts, 1st things first, its disrespectful to compare enos to coach shannon, resume's aren't even close. Do you even know the impact coach shannon had on the UM culture from the 80's on up for a team you claim to root for! If you seriously think shannon and the defense was the reason the game was lost, you sir dont know football. Maybe you want to start with kenny throwing those 2 picks and fumbling, 3 turnovers, just 2 turnovers shy of the conviently color blind heisman trophy winner in vinny. Which resulted in us scoring only 7 1st half points but gifting ohigho fake 14 1st half points

You talking about coach shannon didnt make no adjustments, lol, ****, he didnt need to, craig krenzel was 7 for 21 with only 122yrds passing and 2 picks, while clarrett ran the ball 23 times for 47yrds, but both he and krenzel scored 2 touchdowns apiece on short fields. It took ohigho fake 4 quarters and 2 overtimes just to muster up 267 total yards. The defense shut them boys down, even while losing the field position battle with dorsey and his 3 turnovers. The facts point to coach shannon and the Defensive unit was the reason we stayed in the game, so before you get to shannon, why you didnt start with skelator and chudzinski not making the proper adjustments, we had dre, geathers, ethnic, roscoe, winslow and mcgahee, and it took until how long for them to start figuring out winslow was a mismatch, they had nobody to cover dre, between dorsey, skelator and the oc, who finally calls a screen pass when almost everybody knew it was coming, and got mcgahee blown up.

You see ohigjo fake went and got 2 former nfl players and played them at d-tackle, and chud still trying to run the ball up the gut, but you pointing at shannon. Them ****'s should have gotten run off the field, we had to much team speed on offense not to punish ohigho fake, but you do know chud is from ohio tho. Coach shannon won the broyles award, had the gaytors defense being talked about as one of the best in the country, he leaves and now ucF has defensive players getting drafted at a high rate, its not a coincidence that whereever he goes, improvements are made. In fact, if he was the d-co now, we would've been straight, but alot them guys arent trying to come to UM under an unstable headcoach, a mentally unstable athletic director still recovering from the castration he received under troll shalala, and that mf'er still dont understand why coach richt dipped out on em, and now an new unstable oc. You should do your research on coach shannon before commenting on him, you think its a coincidence we havent produced to many linebackers from this program in recent years that can play at a high level at any level, college and pro's, i think you might want to retrack your post!
 
DTP said:
Eh, Shannon's defenses surprisingly performed according to the talent he had on hand. In the early 2000's, with a boatload of NFL first rounders, his defense was incredible. As the years passed and talent levels went down, his defenses incredibly also got worse. It's almost like anybody is good when you have all the best players. Case in point, Enos at Alabama.
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Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!!! This is exactly my point! I hope Enos proves me wrong. I want to be wrong about this! But, until I see him start utilizing the players and playbook to match with our OL and QB's propensity for holding on too long, he reminds me of what Randy used to do in the D side of the ball.
 
Calvin said:
Dont be clueless
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Awesome way to have a dialogue about the subject! I literally stopped reading your post the moment you started with an insult instead of a reasoned argument or response. Re-think this and try again.
 
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filmcane said:
Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!!! This is exactly my point! I hope Enos proves me wrong. I want to be wrong about this! But, until I see him start utilizing the players and playbook to match with our OL and QB's propensity for holding on too long, he reminds me of what Randy used to do in the D side of the ball.
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It's really what frightened be the most when they announced the hire. Any offensive coordinator can look great when you've got the best o line in the nation, best QB in the nation and best skill talent in the nation. Larry Coker and Rob Chudzinski say hi too.
 
Astcloud11 said:
James Coley's offense looks the same at UGA...did you even watch their games? Difference is he has a defense now.
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Yes I watched it and I'd bet the house that Georgia's offense scores more points and had more yards this year than any offense Coley coached here.
 
filmcane said:
Awesome way to have a dialogue about the subject! I literally stopped reading your post the moment you started with an insult instead of a reasoned argument or response. Re-think this and try again.
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If you calling a fact an insult, than carrying on, that's part of the softness that has krept into this program, to many mentally weak around here nowadays!
 
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