Official Emory Williams - 2023 QB COMMIT

[Bender]

Why did Justin Fields transfer? Or Vandergriff? Because Kirby has twice gone with a walk-on game manager over the more dynamic and talented option. I mean Fields was incredible at Ohio State and then got picked in the first round. Kirby went with Jake Fromm and Stetson Bennett because he’s hyper conservative and is scared to let his quarterback win games for him. It’s not like Fields sucked, his coach at Georgia just preferred a lesser player.

Vandagriff has transferred? When and where?

 

[DTP]

Vandagriff has transferred? When and where?

I believe he’s in the portal

Edit: he’s not…yet

 

[NorthEastCane]

Why did Justin Fields transfer? Or Vandergriff? Because Kirby has twice gone with a walk-on game manager over the more dynamic and talented option. I mean Fields was incredible at Ohio State and then got picked in the first round. Kirby went with Jake Fromm and Stetson Bennett because he’s hyper conservative and is scared to let his quarterback win games for him. It’s not like Fields sucked, his coach at Georgia just preferred a lesser player.

Then Kirby's an anomaly. There's a reason he's trashed every time he's brought up around here.

 

[NorthEastCane]

I believe he’s in the portal

Maybe not yet. @LeedsCane suggested he might become available.

If he's got anything to his game, I can't believe he's happy being behind Stetson Bennett.

 

[SCarolina Ibis]

Fair.

But also, would many of us do extra research or watch extra film if he was a Gator or Nole guy?

I probably wouldn't have found the Elite 11 stuff proving he has top arm talent.

I probably would have found his workouts showing, again, that he can make all the throws with accuracy.

And we wouldn't know, to your info earlier, that he's playing on a weak squad, which explains better why hes unable to put up Dante Moore type numbers.

I hear u and I'm not trying to call you out if its coming off that way.

 

[bobbydigius]

I thought we were talking about the term "stud transfer". Now if we were talking about Caleb Williams that had a on-the-field history, I would agree.

We are moving goal posts now. The premise of the conversation was a list of QBs from the last decade who won titles. Most were 4 or 5 stars. You came in trying to rationalize/say that while Burrow ended up a star he wasn’t that highly thought of transfer. Reality is he was a 4 star that earned an offer to a top 5 program in Ohio State and then transferred to start at a top 10 program in LSU. He was a 4 star, he was a stud transfer and he is yet another example of how it’s important to stack talent at the QB position.

 

[lindend]

Segment on Locked on Canes where Donno covers Emory Williams session this weekend. Donno says Larry Blustein has been promoting Williams as a recruit for over a year.

 

[Zbrod95]

Losing Rashada to UF would be unacceptable.

Except if we went stage left because we ain’t paying what he wants…which if you’ve been following along you would know that’s exactly whats happening.


PS: You post like ****

 

[gogeta4]

We have a bunch of star chasers on CIS only interested in winning some mythical recruiting championship. I want guys that are committed. Give me the guys that will bleed for and with you.

At this point, I could really care less about Rashada. If Williams has the goods, sign him and keep it moving. I want the best guy that is committed to the program. If Williams outperforms the guys ranked higher than him at the Elite 11 Finals, then what?

You all chasing the Kardashians cause they have more Twitter and Instagram followers, while you have women just a hot if not hotter in your own backyard without all the diva baggage.

Let's keep it 100. Nobody here knows any of these QBs on a personal level. Everyone is just relying on the videos and the recruiting evaluations they read. We don't know what motivates them or what type of competitors they are. Who can you go to war with and who is just a mercenary?

Just look at past recruiting classes across college football. Then look at who the super star QBs are in the NFL.

Here's where the 2021 Top 20 NFL QBs ranked going into college.

NFL QB Index: Ranking all 62 starting QBs of the 2021 NFL season

Gregg Rosenthal evaluated every quarterback who started a game (including the playoffs) during the 2021 NFL season to create a complete ranking from 1 to 62. Did MVP Aaron Rodgers finish No. 1? Where did Joe Burrow land after a brilliant postseason run?

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1. Tom Brady, N/A

Tom Brady, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Quarterback

Tom Brady is a Pro-Style Quarterback from San Mateo, CA.

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2. Aaron Rodgers, 3-star, #2 Pro JC

2003 Top Pro-Style Quarterback Recruits

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

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3. Josh Allen, 3-star, #5 Dual

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills, Quarterback

Josh Allen is a 6-5, 210-pound Dual-Threat Quarterback from Reedley, CA.

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4. Justin Herbert, 3-star, #26 Pro

Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers, Quarterback

Justin Herbert is a 6-5, 215-pound Pro-Style Quarterback from Eugene, OR.

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5. Mathew Stafford, 5-star, #1 Pro

Matthew Stafford, Los Angeles Rams, Quarterback

Matthew Stafford is a Pro-Style Quarterback from Dallas, TX. He has committed to Georgia Bulldogs.

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6. Joe Burrow, 4--star, #8 Pro

Joe Burrow, Cincinnati Bengals, Quarterback

Threw for over 11,400 yards in high school... Led his team to the Division III state runner-up as a senior... Won Ohio Mr. Football, first-team all-state and...

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7. Patrick Mahomes II, 3-star, #22 Pro

Patrick Mahomes II, Kansas City Chiefs, Quarterback

Mahomes is the son of former Major League Baseball relief pitcher Pat Mahomes, who attended Lindale High School near Tyler, Texas.

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8. Kyler Murray, 5-star, #1 Dual

Kyler Murray, Arizona Cardinals, Quarterback

2015 Under Armour All-America Game selection...Kyler Murray is the son of former Texas A&M quarterback Kevin Murray...Named the National Gatorade Player of the...

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9. Dak Prescott, 3-star, #20 Dual

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys, Quarterback

Graduated high school early and participated in MSU's 2011 spring drills.

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10. Derek Carr, 4-star, #16 Pro

Derek Carr, Las Vegas Raiders, Quarterback

Derek Carr is a Pro-Style Quarterback from Bakersfield, CA.

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11. Russell Wilson 3-star, #25 Dual

Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, Quarterback

Wilson threw for 8,545 and 76 touchdowns in three season at N.C. State.

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12. Ryan Tannehill, 3-star, #19 Dual

Ryan Tannehill, Tennessee Titans, Quarterback

Ryan Tannehill is a Quarterback from Big Spring, TX

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13. Kirk Cousins, 3-star, #49 Pro

Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings, Quarterback

Kirk Cousins is a 6-3, 202-pound Pro-Style Quarterback from Holland, MI. He has committed to Michigan State Spartans.

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14. Lamar Jackson, 3-star, #12 Dual

Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens, Quarterback

Lamar Jackson is a Dual-Threat Quarterback from Fort Lauderdale, FL.

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15. Matt Ryan, 3-star, #40 Pro


16. Mac Jones, 3-star, #18 Pro

Mac Jones, New England Patriots, Quarterback

Mac Jones is a 6-2, 180-pound Pro-Style Quarterback from Jacksonville, FL.

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17. Jalen Hurts, 4-star, #4 Dual

Jalen Hurts, Philadelphia Eagles, Quarterback

2014: Was named the District 21-6A Overall MVP as a junior....2013: Was a second-team all-district selection as a sophomore PERSONAL: He is the son of...

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18. Teddy Bridgewater, 4-star, #5 Dual

Teddy Bridgewater, New Orleans Saints, Quarterback

Teddy Bridgewater is a Athlete from Miami, FL. He is ranked No. 189 in the country by 247Sports. Bridgewater is the No. 39 recruit in Florida (FL) and is the...

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19. Carson Wentz, N/A

Carson Wentz, Indianapolis Colts, Quarterback

Carson Wentz is a Pro-Style Quarterback from Bismarck, ND.

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20. Jimmy Garoppolo, 2-star, #67 Pro

Jimmy Garoppolo, San Francisco 49ers, Quarterback

James Garoppolo is a Pro-Style Quarterback from Rolling Meadows, IL.

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Looking at the top 20 NFL QBs, here are their high school recruiting rankings:

Stars
5 - 2
4 - 4
3 - 11
2 - 1
N/A - 2

There are only two 5-star QBs rated in the top 20 of NFL QBs. Both were the #1 QBs in their recruiting classes.

The most QBs in the top 20 (11) were 3-star recruits coming out of high school.

What does this all mean?

Unless you have the #1 QB in a recruiting class, it all comes down to team evaluation, development, and the player's desire to improve. Recruiting rankings have little to nothing to do or predict how a high school QB is going to develop in college unless you have the number 1 guy and there were only 2 of them in the top 20 of NFL QBs. The evaluations from the people running these recruiting services should be in question.

I hope Emory Williams knocks it out of the park at the Elite 11 Finals. If Miami isn't careful, they could wind up having to fight for this young man if his recruitment blows up.

One final thought. If Miami was in play for the #1 rated QB D.J. Uiagalelei in the 2020 class, our fans would have been screaming to get him over #7 Tyler Van Dyke. Based on their high school development it would have been justified. How does that look now?

From 2017-2021, Clemson recruited 4 QBs. They had 3 5-stars and the #4 4-star. Although the jury is still out on Uiagalelei, only Trevor Lawrence has done anything. Before him, it was Deshaun Watson in 2014 as the #1 4-star QB.

Trust the process not the rankings.

This whole post is flawed but good detail.

Add to it using Clemson in it isnt/wasnt the right play. They have been producing productive qbs in their system since mid 2000s...and continue to land 5 star qbs. 2 in the last 2 cycles.

 

[canefan]

This whole post is flawed but good detail.

Add to it using Clemson in it isnt/wasnt the right play. They have been producing productive qbs in their system since mid 2000s...and continue to land 5 star qbs. 2 in the last 2 cycles.

I laughed at the Clemson part, they won both their Nattys with 2 different 5 star QBs lol

 

[PittsburghCane]

I hear u and I'm not trying to call you out if its coming off that way.

Ay no way man. I’m a high volume cat, I talk loud about the weather let alone sports.

I got plenty respect for you man, you got me thinking at angles I didn’t consider prior so it’s all love.

 

[NorthEastCane]

We are moving goal posts now. The premise of the conversation was a list of QBs from the last decade who won titles. Most were 4 or 5 stars. You came in trying to rationalize/say that while Burrow ended up a star he wasn’t that highly thought of transfer. Reality is he was a 4 star that earned an offer to a top 5 program in Ohio State and then transferred to start at a top 10 program in LSU. He was a 4 star, he was a stud transfer and he is yet another example of how it’s important to stack talent at the QB position.

I'm not changing anything. I came on responding to the following, specifically the underlined.

You don’t necessarily have to rely on a game manager. OU has had great success in the transfer market. Maybe the greatest offense in recent history at LSU relied on a transfer QB. If you want to break the bank, taking a stud transfer comes with less risk.

After winning a Heisman, it's easy to call him a stud transfer. Coming out of high school Joe Burrow was a higher end of the 4 star rating (Joe Burrow - 247). He played behind JT Barrett. After a year on campus, he was so highly regarded that the following year Ohio State brought in three QB recruits, Dwayne Haskins, our very own Tate Martell, and someone named Kory Curtis. Haskins as a true freshman appeared in more games, threw for more yards, etc.

There are always schools looking for QB help and in Burrows case it was primarily Cincinnati (who knew about him and also recruited him out of high school). Orgeron was excited about him, but don't make it sound like a mad nation-wide scramble for a "stud QB transfer" that hit the market. It turns out that Orgeron had inside information about Burrow because his safety coach (Bill Busch) was Burrows lead recruiter at Ohio state under Urban Meyers. Busch urged him to bring Burrow and his family down for a visit. Below is an article about his transfer.

Joe Burrow Transfer

None of this has anything to do with stacking QB depth.

 

[CT Cane 44]

You mean the year they also signed 5* Tua? Some of you idiots don't even bother pretending to be right.

The **** are you talking about? And I’m the last poster here trying to be “ right “

 

[bobbydigius]

I'm not changing anything. I came on responding to the following, specifically the underlined.



After winning a Heisman, it's easy to call him a stud transfer. Coming out of high school Joe Burrow was a higher end of the 4 star rating (Joe Burrow - 247). He played behind JT Barrett. After a year on campus, he was so highly regarded that the following year Ohio State brought in three QB recruits, Dwayne Haskins, our very own Tate Martell, and someone named Kory Curtis. Haskins as a true freshman appeared in more games, threw for more yards, etc.

There are always schools looking for QB help and in Burrows case it was primarily Cincinnati (who knew about him and also recruited him out of high school). Orgeron was excited about him, but don't make it sound like a mad nation-wide scramble for a "stud QB transfer" that hit the market. It turns out that Orgeron had inside information about Burrow because his safety coach (Bill Busch) was Burrows lead recruiter at Ohio state under Urban Meyers. Busch urged him to bring Burrow and his family down for a visit. Below is an article about his transfer.

Joe Burrow Transfer

None of this has anything to do with stacking QB depth.

Sigh…
First and foremost Haskins was a 2016 kid and Tate was a 2017 kid. Who was this third guy they allegedly took in 2016? WTf are you talking about? Reality is that they did what I’m beating the drum for us to do, take a stud QB every cycle. So with that already out of the way, let’s address your article you linked… the fvckin article calls Joe Burrow a ‘game changer’ in the title and called ‘coveted QB’ in the sub title, that article came out May of 18 before Burrow even started a game there. Thanks for proving my point and good day.

 

[CT Cane 44]

People drooling over a .500 QB with barely over 60% completion percentage. I don't see QB1 but he has another year to piece together some good tape.

I agree here

 

[gogeta4]

I find it hard to believe that Georgia, who consistently ranks in the top 3 in recruiting, can’t get a good quarterback

They get em just dont play em

 

[Cane Tankerous]

Jacurri single handedly willed his team to state championship games and first team all-state recognition.

This kid had his team go 5-5 playing JV teams in the middle of nowhere. HARD PASS unless he's QB2 in the class

Well if that all-caps "HARD PASS" is your decision, please make sure Mario and Ponce know so they won't waste anymore time on Williams.


I think I can speak for everyone that your decision is likely the final word.

 

[Noahcane]

Saw where Williams will be throwing for Norvell sometime soon.

 

[CT Cane 44]

Right. Moving the goalposts is no longer needed with a monster recruiting staff like we have. Emory Williams as a qb 2 in your class is a massive success. As a qb1 it’s really questionable (right now). I look forward to following his senior year.

That Alabama signing two QBs was also before NIL and transfer portal. Most kids leave now when they don’t start. I’m with you though. I’m no expert but Williams seems to be more developmental but as pointed out above, he has a full year to show up and he clearly has caught the eye from our staff which is very strong

 

[Number1CanesFan]

This whole post is flawed but good detail.

Add to it using Clemson in it isnt/wasnt the right play. They have been producing productive qbs in their system since mid 2000s...and continue to land 5 star qbs. 2 in the last 2 cycles.

You're just enventing things I didn't even say. Who cares about QB play 20 years ago? Your not even on the same topic as what I said.

I pointed to Clemson in the past 5 years getting 5-star QBs that haven't panned out. It wasn't about just any QB production. It's about the 5-star QBs which is what I pointed to. You created something I didn't even say.

They had Trevor Lawrence (5-star) and DeShawn Watson (4-star) that have been their difference makers that helped make CFP appearances and win them 2 titles.

They've had 2 5-stars and a highly rated 4-star in recent years that didn't have success at Clemson or at another school after transferring including DJ U. This year will be the make or break narrative for DJ U. Hunter Johnson transfered to Northwestern and is now back at Clemson for which I have no idea why. Taisun Phommachanh has transferred to GT.

You obviously missed the point of just getting a 5 -star QB doesn't guarantee success. You can also deplete your QB room stacking multiple 5-star QBs because they will transfer. They're not going to sit for more than 1 year. Clemson has had a couple years with limited scholarship QBs due to transfers.

Don't be misguided. I want the best QBs. It's just not an exact science.