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Due diligence on Tom Herman

nothing gimmicky about herman's offense at *

they ran only a few different running plays - they just executed very well and had great talent
 
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NorthFlaCane said:
Looking at Iowa St's schedule from 2009 to 2011, there is a stark difference. In 2009 Iowa St played 2 ranked teams all season. In 2010 they played 5 ranked teams. In 2011 they played 7 ranked teams.

Kansas St had their mini resurgence under Snyder
Baylor established themselves under Briles
The schedule changed and they got Texas and Oklahoma (back when they were both pretty good)
Plus they played a very good Utah team in 2010 out of conference

Really, the competition became much more intense and Iowa St just didn't have the players to compete
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Great stuff NFC. Perfectly explains the regression.
 
ilovelamp51 said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Does a Miami fan really need to be reminded about what a team like Houston does when it faces an opponent with a pulse?
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Houston beat Louisville by 3 pts. Clemson beat Louisville by 3 pts. Clemson beat Miami... by more than 3 pts.

What does this have to do with anything? Nothing. Yeah. Let that sink in.
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If you want to play the "Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C" game to pick the next coach, then you guys shut off the lights when we shut down Sun Life for good. Talk about an amateur approach to this.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Like I said: weird arguments
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It's not weird at all. Do we need to go through the "Flavor of the Month" coaches that have plagued Miami message boards over the years? All I'm saying is that we might look back in five years and wonder who the **** thought this guy was a good coach if we're going to praise him because of one 7-0 start in which he had the better team seven times. Remember, he didn't jump in and take over North Texas here. Houston has a ton of returning experience and was bound to have a good season.
 
Herman uses The U 30 for 30 to recruit kids to Houston....imagine him recruiting for Miami...so many wet pussies and erect penises.
 
As for Herman, is the sample size small? Absolutely. Is there risk? Absolutely. BUT let's at least evaluate his tenure at Houston:

Record: 7-0 (4-0)
Performance against P5 teams: 1-0 (@ UL) [Next game against Vandy]
Average Margin of Victory: 27.9 Points (not a typo)

Houston in 2014: 8-5 (5-3) cfbstats.com - 2014 Houston Cougars
Points Scored Per Game: 29.8
Total Yards Per Game: 414.0
Points Allowed Per Game: 20.6
Total Yards Allowed Per Game: 343.4

Houston in 2015: 7-0 (4-0) cfbstats.com - 2015 Houston Cougars
Points Scored Per Game: 47.6
Total Yards Per Game: 561.1
Points Allowed Per Game: 19.7
Total Yards Allowed Per Game: 362.0

One more thing, one of the things I find risky about Herman is that Houston wasn't a dumpster fire when he stepped into it. Houston was a decent program, won their bowl game last year and did okay. All things considered Houston, for a first time HC, was a pretty good starting point. It wasn't a dumpster fire like Memphis or SMU (Morris).

In Summation: What more can Herman do at this point? He is 7-0 and raping his competition. Is he risky? Sure. But at least, based on the sample size so far, he looks pretty darn good.
 
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Consigliere said:
As for Herman, is the sample size small? Absolutely. Is there risk? Absolutely. BUT let's at least evaluate his tenure at Houston:

Record: 7-0 (4-0)
Performance against P5 teams: 1-0 (@ UL) [Next game against Vandy]
Average Margin of Victory: 27.9 Points (not a typo)

Houston in 2014: 8-5 (5-3) cfbstats.com - 2014 Houston Cougars
Points Scored Per Game: 29.8
Total Yards Per Game: 414.0
Points Allowed Per Game: 20.6
Total Yards Allowed Per Game: 343.4

Houston in 2015: 7-0 (4-0) cfbstats.com - 2015 Houston Cougars
Points Scored Per Game: 47.6
Total Yards Per Game: 561.1
Points Allowed Per Game: 19.7
Total Yards Allowed Per Game: 362.0

One more thing, one of the things I find risky about Herman is that Houston wasn't a dumpster fire when he stepped into it. Houston was a decent program, won their bowl game last year and did okay. All things considered Houston, for a first time HC, was a pretty good starting point. It wasn't a dumpster fire like Memphis or SMU (Morris).

In Summation: What more can Herman do at this point? He is 7-0 and raping his competition. Is he risky? Sure. But at least, based on the sample size so far, he looks pretty darn good.
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Good post, Consig. There's just one more part that worries me about his season at Houston. Greg Ward absolutely dominates that offense. If I had Greg Ward, I would also put up a lot of points. Herman didn't develop him or create a new offense or anything like that. Is Herman going to be a Gus Malzahn in the post-Cam Newton era?
 
frostycane said:
I did a quick look on ESPN to see how they get their offense and the part I do not like is their QB is their leading rusher. I am not a fan of an attack that is dominated by one player. IMO a team needs to be well rounded to win consistently at a high level. I like what the guy at Memphis does, they air it out, they run to keep you honest and they do it against anyone as proven by their record. My vote is Butch, Fuente then Herman. Just my opinion..... I want balance, though there are always great athletes in south Fla to play an offense like that, I want wr's and rb's to want to come here too. I do not want to have to rely on us getting Cam Newton or Tim Tebow to win an NC. I think that is what has changed for Urbie, he gets a qb that can run his system, but he knows that you need talent outside of that as well. And his run at OSU is different than his Tebow run at UF. he is going with more running from the RB than he did at UF and they are passing more too.
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His offense looked amazing last year at OSU while using their 3rd string quarterback. Ward has been impressive this season under Herman but I wouldn't call him a generational talent like Cam was. If Tebows brief NFL career has told us anything it was that Urban just knew how to get the best out of him in the college game, not that he was a prospect on worthy of the first overall pick like Cam. If we were a school that didn't expect to compete for championships every year the issue you raised wouldn't really be an issue. Look at FSU - Jameis is gone and I would say that they have no realistic shot at winning the championship this year. Lots of successful coaches catch fire with excellent QBs and win it all.

Herman's success without a generational QB talent is what I think would make him a home run hire.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Like I said: weird arguments
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It's not weird at all. Do we need to go through the "Flavor of the Month" coaches that have plagued Miami message boards over the years? All I'm saying is that we might look back in five years and wonder who the **** thought this guy was a good coach if we're going to praise him because of one 7-0 start in which he had the better team seven times. Remember, he didn't jump in and take over North Texas here. Houston has a ton of returning experience and was bound to have a good season.
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So basically Tony Levine would have had Houston looking the same right now? What are you trying to argue here?
 
My only worry is his very short experience as a HC. We will be taking risk. He could turn out to be a great hire or a bust.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
I dunno. I do know what he did at Ohio State. And I do know what he is doing at Houston.

Herman is a savage who would destroy the ACC and win a national title here.
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"He" didn't necessarily do it himself at Ohio State. And what he is doing at Houston is beating up on a bunch of really bad teams. Does a Miami fan really need to be reminded about what a team like Houston does when it faces an opponent with a pulse?
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They are too young to remember........
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
Good post, Consig. There's just one more part that worries me about his season at Houston. Greg Ward absolutely dominates that offense. If I had Greg Ward, I would also put up a lot of points. Herman didn't develop him or create a new offense or anything like that. Is Herman going to be a Gus Malzahn in the post-Cam Newton era?
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A few things:

1. Greg Ward Jr was there last year. GWJ played last year. GWJ numbers are CLEARLY better this year. The kid is great but his play has been drastically elevated.

2. Herman has shown that he can do develop QBs before. Look at how many he went through last year at OSU. Look at how different OSU looks this year with the SAME PLAYERS. He has done well with QBs before (Chase Clement).

3. Herman may not have created a new offense but perhaps he is able to maximize the output he gets out of his players. Perhaps he puts them in the best position to succeed by adapting to their skill set. I think GWJ is a good example of that. I think last year at OSU were a good example out of that.
 
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