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Due diligence on Tom Herman

4th-and-14 said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
I dunno. I do know what he did at Ohio State. And I do know what he is doing at Houston.

Herman is a savage who would destroy the ACC and win a national title here.
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I think Urban Meyer might have had a little more to do with OSU's offense than Herman.

And how do folks here feel about a Miami QB getting 15 rushing attempts per game?
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I would be fine with it. The bottom line is that we just need results. Don't care if it's spread or pro style offense.
 
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I did a quick look on ESPN to see how they get their offense and the part I do not like is their QB is their leading rusher. I am not a fan of an attack that is dominated by one player. IMO a team needs to be well rounded to win consistently at a high level. I like what the guy at Memphis does, they air it out, they run to keep you honest and they do it against anyone as proven by their record. My vote is Butch, Fuente then Herman. Just my opinion..... I want balance, though there are always great athletes in south Fla to play an offense like that, I want wr's and rb's to want to come here too. I do not want to have to rely on us getting Cam Newton or Tim Tebow to win an NC. I think that is what has changed for Urbie, he gets a qb that can run his system, but he knows that you need talent outside of that as well. And his run at OSU is different than his Tebow run at UF. he is going with more running from the RB than he did at UF and they are passing more too.
 
Agree on chise on leadership. If the guy has it, how much weight do you place on what he did at Iowa state? Looking at stats on a coaches resume can be distracting. Is one year at Houston enough of a sample size to know if this guy is the goods? I also look at his staff - he has an interesting mix of his staff. He has some local guys as position coaches and he has 2 young up and comers as coordinators. Applewhite was talked about during the randy Shannon days and Orlando has been effective at Houston and Utah state. He also happened to coach at FIU. Point is that ability surround yourself with good staff is also a top quality you want your HBC to have.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
I dunno. I do know what he did at Ohio State. And I do know what he is doing at Houston.

Herman is a savage who would destroy the ACC and win a national title here.
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"He" didn't necessarily do it himself at Ohio State. And what he is doing at Houston is beating up on a bunch of really bad teams. Does a Miami fan really need to be reminded about what a team like Houston does when it faces an opponent with a pulse?
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He's 7-0 so far in his first year. Sure he may end of tanking but I'm not really sure he can prove more than he is proving right now, unless you expect him to change the schedule mid-season to play an "opponent with a pulse." He most likely isn't going to last long enough at Houston so I guess he may never be a legitimate candidate in your eyes.

Weird argument.

edit: And to your Ohio State point, yeah he didn't do it by himself. But it is a little telling that Ohio State's offense hasn't looked the same this year.
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I think some people expect him to be 22-0 after coaching 7 games as an HC.
 
Let's take a look at how other coaches have fared at Houston recently. I find it interesting because two of those coaches are Briles and Sumlin, who we can evaluate on how they did after making the jump from Houston to a bigger program.

5-7 (season before briles came in)
7-6 Briles
3-8 Briles
6-6 Briles
10-4 Briles
8-5 Briles
8-5 Sumlin
10-4 Sumlin
5-7 Sumlin
13-1 Sumlin
5-7 Levine
8-5 Levine
8-5 Levine
7-0 Herman

Every season here has at least 4 losses with the exception of Sumlin's 2011 season where Houston finished ranked 18th in the AP. Herman is looking good to post at least their second best season on this list. The next couple weeks will be telling though for Herman. The competition is stepping up as he plays Vandy, Cincy, and Memphis. Can't wait for that Herman v Fuentes matchup!
 
Consigliere said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
I dunno. I do know what he did at Ohio State. And I do know what he is doing at Houston.

Herman is a savage who would destroy the ACC and win a national title here.
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"He" didn't necessarily do it himself at Ohio State. And what he is doing at Houston is beating up on a bunch of really bad teams. Does a Miami fan really need to be reminded about what a team like Houston does when it faces an opponent with a pulse?
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He's 7-0 so far in his first year. Sure he may end of tanking but I'm not really sure he can prove more than he is proving right now, unless you expect him to change the schedule mid-season to play an "opponent with a pulse." He most likely isn't going to last long enough at Houston so I guess he may never be a legitimate candidate in your eyes.

Weird argument.

edit: And to your Ohio State point, yeah he didn't do it by himself. But it is a little telling that Ohio State's offense hasn't looked the same this year.
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I think some people expect him to be 22-0 after coaching 7 games as an HC.
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Like I said: weird arguments
 
Butch highest finish at UNC in the Coastal was tied for 3rd.

So in 4 years his very best finish was tied for 3rd.

A weak division too. Yes evey coach has warts.
 
Here's one in favor of Herman:


More than six months later, Herman has done more than lay the groundwork for success. A string of successful recruiting grabs has shocked the expected timeline of the program. As of the middle of August, Houston had the nation’s No. 29 recruiting class and the No. 1 class in the American Athletic Conference, according to 247Sports. Last season the Cougars finished with the No. 91-ranked class; they were No. 76 the year before.
 
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terdferguson said:
Let's take a look at how other coaches have fared at Houston recently. I find it interesting because two of those coaches are Briles and Sumlin, who we can evaluate on how they did after making the jump from Houston to a bigger program.

5-7 (season before briles came in)
7-6 Briles
3-8 Briles
6-6 Briles
10-4 Briles
8-5 Briles
8-5 Sumlin
10-4 Sumlin
5-7 Sumlin
13-1 Sumlin
5-7 Levine
8-5 Levine
8-5 Levine
7-0 Herman

Every season here has at least 4 losses with the exception of Sumlin's 2011 season where Houston finished ranked 18th in the AP. Herman is looking good to post at least their second best season on this list. The next couple weeks will be telling though for Herman. The competition is stepping up as he plays Vandy, Cincy, and Memphis. Can't wait for that Herman v Fuentes matchup!
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Pretty impressive.

Herman v. Fuente will be a great game, although I'm sure we will have a lot of overreactions on both sides afterwards.
 
Looking at Iowa St's schedule from 2009 to 2011, there is a stark difference. In 2009 Iowa St played 2 ranked teams all season. In 2010 they played 5 ranked teams. In 2011 they played 7 ranked teams.

Kansas St had their mini resurgence under Snyder
Baylor established themselves under Briles
The schedule changed and they got Texas and Oklahoma (back when they were both pretty good)
Plus they played a very good Utah team in 2010 out of conference

Really, the competition became much more intense and Iowa St just didn't have the players to compete
 
Urban has similar thing going. He brings his offense into new conference and tear it up for a few years. Then the other teams adjust and he has to move on to new place. He will go the ND next. Gimmicks are always like that. Urban is hack of a coach but only with "his" system. That system is not Miami DNA. We just fired a coach who wanted to practice genetic engineering; do we want another? With our WRs, it is better for WB to stand that extra second in the pocket while they get open. Also, with our RBs why have your QB recruiting determined by 40 times. Why have the formula that ruled football, just use it with right coach. A running QB is another DNA mismatch.
 
Jimmy Johnson was 29-25 at Okie St. but is a pure football coach, is Herman a pure football coach is the question?
 
Gatorhater said:
Urban has similar thing going. He brings his offense into new conference and tear it up for a few years. Then the other teams adjust and he has to move on to new place. He will go the ND next. Gimmicks are always like that. Urban is hack of a coach but only with "his" system. That system is not Miami DNA. We just fired a coach who wanted to practice genetic engineering; do we want another? With our WRs, it is better for WB to stand that extra second in the pocket while they get open. Also, with our RBs why have your QB recruiting determined by 40 times. Why have the formula that ruled football, just use it with right coach. A running QB is another DNA mismatch.
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Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.
 
I'm with the crowd that put Butch, Herman and Fuente at the top of the coaching search list. However, 1 thing that makes me nervous is the type of defense that Herman and Fuente run. I know what I'm gonna get with Butch as far as that aspect, but the other two seem like they try to outscore every team and don't necessarily try to stop anyone. I did a quick search for defensive stats on Houston and Memphis and they seem to be pretty on par with Miami's current **** defense, so that is something that sticks out to me. I haven't watched a single game of either Houston or Memphis, but I've heard from some people on here that they both run 3-4 defenses (which I have come to hate over the past 5 years), but I would have to believe that they don't use the same principles that Golden and D'nofrio use. Just wondering if anyone who has seen either of these teams play has any information they could pass on as to what their defensive philosophy/scheme seems to be and if there is anything that sticks out as being a red flag in that aspect.
 
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I am actually glad that people are properly vetting these candidates because I don't believe our BOTs will do the same as they already hired Chuck Nienas for help.

Comparing him to Golden: I understand the concern. People don't want to get burned again by a coach coming from inferior competition and having poor results at Miami. What Golden taught us (some of us) is that you need to find someone that not only elevates the program but dominates the competition at that level. Golden never won the conference and he certainly never dominated it. In fact, he regressed in conference in year 5. One other thing you look for is when given the chance how did they perform against better competition (i.e. P5 teams). Golden's best two years (2009-2010), he beat 1 BCS team (Conn 8-5). In fact he lost to FCS Villanova at home.

In 2009, he played UCLA (7-6) and Penn State (11-2).
In 2010, he played UConn (8-5) and Penn State (7-5).

Combined records 33-18
Combined margin of victory/defeat: -9, -25, +14 and -9 = Average Loss of 7.25
Combined record: 1-3 [If you include all 5 seasons, he was 1-12 against BCS teams]

Golden also lost the only bowl game he ever played in at Temple

So to review:

1. How did he perform in conference? Did he dominate? Did he win the conference?

=> Golden never won the conference, he had a 20-12 and nothing special

2. How did he perform against better competition?

=> 1-12 Overall, 1-3 during 2009-10 and an average loss of 7.25 PG

3. How did he do in the post season?

=> 0-1

It is easy to see that Golden wasn't prepared for a program like Miami.
 
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