Domino Effect (Conversation Thread)

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If Butch hadn’t gone to Cleveland in 2000, he would have gone to another NFL team the following year.

You guys are tripping.

That was his plan all along back then. Become an NFL head coach.

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[Rellyrell]

Both Schnelly and Jimmy cut their teeth at other programs before coming to Miami. Butch walked into a ****** death penalty type of situation, and despite having no HC experience, pulled us out of it. He was learning how to be a HC, and he got better each year. He was also willing to let coordinators who weren't panning out go. And finally, nobody, not even Richt, recruits nearly as well as Butch. I won't predict the future, but Davis would have had us on top for many years if he had stayed.

Our biggest issue, and the biggest reason for our fall, was our quarterback recruiting. After that I'd say offensive line. But our failure with Berlin and Kyle Wright and Robert Marve and Jacory Harris held back. Heck, we're still having huge quarterback issues. Remember the 80's/early 90's Canes, the one position they had on lockdown was quarterback.

It hasn't just been the QB position, it's been the coaching or dare I say leadership. Coker was a great offensive mind, but was a terrible leader. It became an inmate ran asylum.
Randy had good intentions, but trying to be a micro manager, while being a horrible coach was a recipe for disaster (remember him trying to take off the names on the back of the jerseys!!! lol!!!)
Golden....never mind....too little time to go in to his tenure here.

We could've had NE Tom Brady here and w/ those bums, we still would've lost

 

[MainLineCane]

Both Schnelly and Jimmy cut their teeth at other programs before coming to Miami. Butch walked into a ****** death penalty type of situation, and despite having no HC experience, pulled us out of it. He was learning how to be a HC, and he got better each year. He was also willing to let coordinators who weren't panning out go. And finally, nobody, not even Richt, recruits nearly as well as Butch. I won't predict the future, but Davis would have had us on top for many years if he had stayed.

Our biggest issue, and the biggest reason for our fall, was our quarterback recruiting. After that I'd say offensive line. But our failure with Berlin and Kyle Wright and Robert Marve and Jacory Harris held back. Heck, we're still having huge quarterback issues. Remember the 80's/early 90's Canes, the one position they had on lockdown was quarterback.

It was certainly a ****** situation for Butch Insanecane, I don't deny that .....but stop with the death penalty exaggeration.
Without a doubt, he handled his probation very well.....far better than Golden handled his later.

SMU was the only school that ever received what could be termed a death penalty in any way and even they recovered. We were never barred from playing football. For example SMU the penalties were:

• The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills (without pads) were permitted until the spring of 1988.
• All home games in 1988 were canceled. The NCAA allowed SMU to play their seven regularly scheduled away games so that other institutions would not be financially affected and so that SMU could avoid uninsurable default liabilities to those schools if its failure to uphold the contractual obligation to appear for competition was not beyond the school's control. The university ultimately chose to cancel the away games as well, and to accept the uninsured "failure to appear" liability.
• The team's existing probation was extended to 1990, resulting in essentially two full years of lost appearance, broadcast media, and advertising sponsorship income. Its existing ban from bowl games and live television was extended to 1989.
• SMU lost 55 new scholarship positions over 4 years.
• The team was allowed to hire only five full-time assistant coaches instead of the typical nine.
• No off-campus recruiting was permitted until August 1988, and no paid visits could be made to campus by potential recruits until the start of the 1988–89 school year.

Now that's when you might start thinking that someone is trying to kill your program.

As I recalled, NO ONE here realistically thought that our football program was dead in any way.... only temporarily hampered. We still expected just after going 10-2 to continue winning big despite the loss of 12 scholarships the next year and 11 the next.

So ******? Sure, Death? Heck NO We're Miami!!

IMO Butch would have left soon anyway. Whether he had won the fake N.C. that Oklahoma won in 2000 or the real one later in 2001. I agree that his plan was to go to the NFL ASAP., following in JJ's and Erickson footsteps. At that time it was a good plan

While I agree with your bad QB recruiting analysis. The main problem IMO was that the University had no intentions at that time to investing in coaches and/or facilities that would have attracted the better QB's and other recruits...and said so. We assumed that we could continue winning with our "poor boy" policy.

That eventually would have driven away any good coach and stalled any good program as it did to this great one. I'm just glad we finally woke up to reality.

 

[The Sphinx]

2002 was the 2nd year since Butch had left us without a doubt things would have been different had he stayed.
BUT After winning the Championship in 2001, that 2002 last minute Robbery took a lot out of us.

It certainly ruined our feeling of invincibility

Still in 2003 we went 11-2 and finished 5th in the AP and beat FSU a second time in the Orange Bowl,

• 9-3 in 2004 beating UF 27-10 in the Peach,
• 9-3 in 2005 losing to LSU 40-3 in the Peach,
• before falling to 7-6 in 2006

We were still relevant until we were thrashed by LSU 40-3. That is the loss that sent us into a death spiral ....and to this day its still one of the lowest feelings I've EVER had as a Cane

This exactly!

While we were not championship level in 03 and 04, we were relevant and still competitive. By 05, I could see the slippage, and the Peach Bowl loss to LSU was the moment I knew that our program was in trouble.

Then came 06 and the rest is history.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Also, the Fiesta bowl didn’t have anything to do with our demise. It was all the admin failing us and to a large extent B Berlin not being as good as advertised. With some decent QB play, we play in the title game against OU and probably win. After that it would have went down hill anyway you cut it. Coker wasn’t capable of doing ****.

Coker and Chud handcuffed Berlin behind center in 2003 and it was criminal. That was a championship defense. All you needed to see was Brock in shot gun the second half of the Florida game to know he was in the wrong offense for his skill set. He could see the field in shot gun. The kid played 4 years in high school in an air raid system.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Coker, the worst coach ever to win a national title... and the guy nearly won two

Thats how loaded and good those squads were..

Gene Chizik says hi. The dude road Cam Newton to a national title. And two years later finished 0-8 in conference losing to Alabama in his final game 49-0. Plus, Chizik is a stinking Gator.