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Does anyone still actually believe in Manny?

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Surely this thread will turn out well..

Me personally, I can't help but think about what an absolute failure Enos has been for him. When he was hired a lot of people throughout the country called it a slam dunk hire, we had stolen the soon to be offensive coordinator from bama. Man were they wrong... if i'm being honest, and we're all being honest in that regard, is he not the worst most shockingly disappointing coordinator that has ever been hired here? Could he have been any worse man I mean really, the guy is ranked 130th out of 130 teams on 3rd down conversions. No one saw this coming, not any of you knew he was going to be this glaringly bad and there were plenty of you who were not sold on the guy. But at the least you'd figure at his worst he'd be around 80th or 90th in that category?

I was a big manny fan, and I'm hoping he turns it around because he has shown the ability to adapt. He completely dropped that delayed 3rd down safety blitzing crap and we became an incredible defense in doing so. We had basically this same offense and yet we all knew when the defense came out we were gonna get a turn over or a stop a lot of times.

Fast forward to blake baker, a guy completely in over his head as well. Another shockingly borderline horrible hire that rivals even enos in terms of worst coordinators in UM history. This guy is infinitely in over his head, from dropping GR15 into coverage, to calling that same stupid **** delayed blitz that never gets home. He took a defense that he should have had to barely even touch and had people like ga tech marching up and down the field at will on us. At the very least he even admits he's bad ( in comparison to Enos who is like richt in that certain way ), but man how can you be THIS bad with THIS talent.

I get Manny has had teams take it to his defense here and there, but he is 100000000000000000x the coordinator that blake baker is. The FIU game lost me when it came to manny, it showed me he was in over his head at this level of play. But I'd honestly like to see him fire blake and take the defense back under his full control.

I know everyone just wants to burn the shop down, but if you have other thoughts those might be more constructive to post.
 
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I believe he inherited a culture problem. The issue is he didn't cure it or even make it better. If anything it got worse as the season progressed.

I think he made some mistakes in hiring his staff. He needs to take a looooong look at his OL and OC coaches.

I have no issues with the way he tried to sell and market the team. It helped save a catastrophic 2018 class and got us some really good pieces through the portal. The problem is he didn't back it up during the season and it made him look foolish.

We'll see what he does once the season ends and going into next year.

I'm in wait and see mode on whether he has the balls and smarts to make the changes he needs.
 
I don't want to burn the shop down. I want the shop to find the source of the smell and clean it out, so that it can operate properly. I don't know about anyone else, but I want to win, and I want to win now. If Manny does it, I'll cheer every snap of every game, and if he doesn't, I'll have my pitch fork out to get rid of him until someone else comes and does it for him.
 
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I believe he inherited a culture problem. The issue is he didn't cure it or even make it better. If anything it got worse as the season progressed.

I think he made some mistakes in hiring his staff. He needs to take a looooong look at his OL and OC coaches.

I have no issues with the way he tried to sell and market the team. It helped save a catastrophic 2018 class and got us some really good pieces through the portal. The problem is he didn't back it up during the season and it made him look foolish.

We'll see what he does once the season ends and going into next year.

I'm in wait and see mode on whether he has the balls and smarts to make the changes he needs.
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Nothing like inheriting a culture problem and asking literally every player who quit on the team to come back
 
I think he knows what's wrong. He's stated it even before season began. It's not like he's not trying to fix it. He is just new at this and going through some lumps. In hindsight should never have been hired. Not his fault he is essentially under a fundraiser and marketer who is just pretending to be AD. Not sure Manny can fix the mess but never should have been put in that position. I will still root for the team and its success regardless.
 
I do think he wants to own and turn this thing around. But... is he capable??? The guy needs to 1.BE RUTHLESS and 2. SURROUND HIMSELF WITH EXCELLENCE. Is he able to recognize his coaching issues and cut ties with the guys that did not and will not get it done??? If he does, will he hire real football coaches? Will he get a recruiting system, internal within the football offices and "external" ;)

Next few months is make or break.... its big boy time. Does he have what it takes to be a successful top tier coach leading a top tier program in 2020?
 
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Manny was not qualified for the job. Seems like admin would learn hiring coaches with no experience is a bad crap shot. Was not happy with the hire. So far results complete crap.Do not hate Manny. Who here would not jump at a promotion qualified or not. Despise our admin. If Manny did turn it around by some miracle I would give him due credit. Meanwhile I will call a spade a spade
 
Why should we believe in him? He recruited half of the players on this team. He introduced the jewelry and put more emphasis on “enthusiasm” than results. He is responsible for the culture. He hired (and/or retained) all of the coaches on this staff. He promised a modern, cutting edge offense and instead hired an offensive coordinator who runs a slow, plodding offense from the late 90’s. He lost to GT, FIU, and Duke. He has given us no reason to believe he is the guy.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Why should we believe in him? He recruited half of the players on this team. He introduced the jewelry and put more emphasis on “enthusiasm” than results. He is responsible for the culture. He hired (and/or retained) all of the coaches on this staff. He promised a modern, cutting edge offense and instead hired an offensive coordinator who runs a slow, plodding offense from the late 90’s. He lost to GT, FIU, and Duke. He has given us no reason to believe he is the guy.
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Pure facts,
Can’t refute anything you said
Manny is the ultimate con man
 
I don't recall any thinking Enos was a "slam dunk hire". All you had to do was look at the resume and see he was a coin flip. Let's not rewrite history here.

Did one year at Alabama as a quarterbacks coach and all "hype" around him was a three-year stint at Arkansas, where the Razorbacks were a combined 19-19. At best, people were cautiously optimistic, due to Saban wanting to retain and promote him to offensive coordinator after Mike Locksley took the Maryland job.


As for Diaz, lost a ton of faith in him after year one—but have also been around long enough to remember how people felt about Jimmy in 1984, as well as Butch from 1995 through the 2000 Washington loss. Haven't completely written him off—but if he goes into 2020 without any staff changes, or a personal attitude and approach change, he's looking at an 8-4 season at best—even with a garbage schedule—and I expect year three to be his last.

I think he's still CAPABLE of turning things around—but I don't know if he'll get it done, based on his own stubbornness and flawed approach.
 
It doesn’t matter if I believe in him or not. He’s going to be here at least another year. So, for me, I’ll judge at the end of that year since it’s going to happen anyway.

At this point he is a failure. Given that he has at least next year, he has an opportunity to turn it around.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
He introduced the jewelry and put more emphasis on “enthusiasm” than results.
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Good Lord, let's not rewrite history because everyone is disenchanted with a 6-6 season.

Miami was ranked 67th nationally in turnovers-forced in 2016—and after the chain was introduced, the Canes jumped to 13th in the nation in that same stat for 2017.

Hilarious how everyone loved that chain when it was introduced—but now is so quick to mock it.

Yes, after Richt went 7-9 after that 10-0 start in 2017—the rules surrounding the chain should've been changed; while those stupid rings (re: hated them from day one and was vocal about it) never should've been introduced after 7-6 last year.

That said, trying to now including the introduction of the hardware two years ago and bring to pin a lack of "results" in the narrative against the guy—absolute horsesh1t.

Yes, Diaz failed epically this year and deserves to get roasted for a pathetic 2019 "effort"—but don't rewrite history and act like the Turnover Chain wasn't a **** of an invention in 2017, with proven results.
 
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paksat said:
Surely this thread will turn out well..

Me personally, I can't help but think about what an absolute failure Enos has been for him. When he was hired a lot of people throughout the country called it a slam dunk hire, we had stolen the soon to be offensive coordinator from bama. Man were they wrong... if i'm being honest, and we're all being honest in that regard, is he not the worst most shockingly disappointing coordinator that has ever been hired here? Could he have been any worse man I mean really, the guy is ranked 130th out of 130 teams on 3rd down conversions. No one saw this coming, not any of you knew he was going to be this glaringly bad and there were plenty of you who were not sold on the guy. But at the least you'd figure at his worst he'd be around 80th or 90th in that category?

I was a big manny fan, and I'm hoping he turns it around because he has shown the ability to adapt. He completely dropped that delayed 3rd down safety blitzing crap and we became an incredible defense in doing so. We had basically this same offense and yet we all knew when the defense came out we were gonna get a turn over or a stop a lot of times.

Fast forward to blake baker, a guy completely in over his head as well. Another shockingly borderline horrible hire that rivals even enos in terms of worst coordinators in UM history. This guy is infinitely in over his head, from dropping GR15 into coverage, to calling that same stupid **** delayed blitz that never gets home. He took a defense that he should have had to barely even touch and had people like ga tech marching up and down the field at will on us. At the very least he even admits he's bad ( in comparison to Enos who is like richt in that certain way ), but man how can you be THIS bad with THIS talent.

I get Manny has had teams take it to his defense here and there, but he is 100000000000000000x the coordinator that blake baker is. The FIU game lost me when it came to manny, it showed me he was in over his head at this level of play. But I'd honestly like to see him fire blake and take the defense back under his full control.

I know everyone just wants to burn the shop down, but if you have other thoughts those might be more constructive to post.
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Lmao believe is a stretch...always been wait n see after 2 years judge the results

Signed: CIS’s favorite slurper
 
I want to believe.

Same as Al Golden and Randy Shannon before them. I really don't want to believe that we have someone who will leave the program in a worse shape than he found it. So am I hopeful. But also realistic.

That said, I am not relishing the idea that Manny is destined for failure as some seem to, because yet another failed coach means serious ramifications for the program.
 
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