Dissecting Butch Davis' Tenure at UNC

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Who said it was?

A good coach should be able to produce anywhere.

What has any coach won at UNC? I'll wait

Mack Brown had 3x 10+ win seasons there.

Larry Fedora is on his way to a 10 win season and the ACC CG.

Did Butch do any of that?


Fedora is in year 4 taking over a team loaded with Butch players. You are not even worth discussing this with as you intentionally omit every relevant contextual factor, because you know those contexts will blow a hole in your agenda.

Fedora's team this year is loaded with Butch players? List all of them.

You're an idiot. The point is Butch took over a 3 win team with no talent. Fedora took over an team that won 8 games with a ton of starters/ drafted players suspended. Yet with the remaining squad that was left over where there was obvious talent, it still took him until year 4 to get anything going. Butch didn't truly get that benefit.
 
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How 'bout you MF's watch the games and stop worrying about records and who they played?

A Butch Davis UNC team has never looked like that UNC team that I saw on Saturday. That is a well-oiled, well-coached team. It's blatantly obvious. I don't give a **** if they play nobodies, so do we.
 
They've looked good against weak teams and not so good against average teams. 9-1 is impressive, but doesn't make me cream myself when the toughest team on the schedule is either Duke or Pittsburgh. We'd be 8-2 with their schedule probably with Golden coaching.

Everyone looks well coached against Miami. Stop stroking your hard on for a coach who has beaten nobody yet and benefited from a ridiculously easy schedule.
 
They don't have to play anybody.

THEY'RE NOT ANYBODY!!!

We're not talking about Clemson or FSU playing nobodies, we're talking about UNC! They're one of the nobodies.
 
I am almost getting to the point of letting these BOT members pick their guy, RUIN the program for good, and freeing me to root for a college football program that cares about it's fans, like FSU or Florida (at one time in my life, I was a fan of both teams growing up 45 years ago). Because if they ***** this hire, most of the long time Miami fans will be GONE for GOOD. Go ahead Blake and the BOT ignore us at your peril.
 
They don't have to play anybody.

THEY'RE NOT ANYBODY!!!

We're not talking about Clemson or FSU playing nobodies, we're talking about UNC! They're one of the nobodies.

BS and you know it. Quit acting like this is a UNC program that averages 98th ranked recruiting classes. Having top 25 classes and the only power 5 teams you've beaten is Illinois, Miami, Duke, UVA, GT, and Wake Forest is not impressive. Our 2013 7-0 start was more challenging than UNC'a 10 games to start this year. If they finish off strong and compete against Clemson, I'll give them credit. If they lose to VT or NCST or get blown out by Clemson, then I'll hold my stance.
 
I love the "UNC isn't playing anyone" argument. Lol

They weren't playing anyone when Butch was the coach, either.

And that LSU loss that people keep citing was only close because LSU played like garbage to end the game ... Probably because they were up 20 at the half, and Les Miles doesn't have the most disciplined teams. If that UNC team is at full strength, LSU probably stays locked in the entire time, and still wins the game.

We can all play the "what if" game. But fact is, Butch didn't win enough at UNC. Especially given his schedule and roster.

Does that mean he would fail if UM hired him? No.

But it does mean there are some concerns, and folks dismissing them because of what he did at UM 15-20 years ago are the delusional ones, IMO.

His UNC tenure is more relevant, because it's more recent. How any fan can dismiss that time is a blatant attempt to be willfully ignorant on the subject. Or, as some have termed it ... Heel Digging.
 
I love the "UNC isn't playing anyone" argument. Lol

They weren't playing anyone when Butch was the coach, either.

And that LSU loss that people keep citing was only close because LSU played like garbage to end the game ... Probably because they were up 20 at the half, and Les Miles doesn't have the most disciplined teams. If that UNC team is at full strength, LSU probably stays locked in the entire time, and still wins the game.

We can all play the "what if" game. But fact is, Butch didn't win enough at UNC. Especially given his schedule and roster.

Does that mean he would fail if UM hired him? No.

But it does mean there are some concerns, and folks dismissing them because of what he did at UM 15-20 years ago are the delusional ones, IMO.

His UNC tenure is more relevant, because it's more recent. How any fan can dismiss that time is a blatant attempt to be willfully ignorant on the subject. Or, as some have termed it ... Heel Digging.

BUTCH COMIN.....PREPARE THY ****!!
 
I love the "UNC isn't playing anyone" argument. Lol

They weren't playing anyone when Butch was the coach, either.

And that LSU loss that people keep citing was only close because LSU played like garbage to end the game ... Probably because they were up 20 at the half, and Les Miles doesn't have the most disciplined teams. If that UNC team is at full strength, LSU probably stays locked in the entire time, and still wins the game.

We can all play the "what if" game. But fact is, Butch didn't win enough at UNC. Especially given his schedule and roster.

Does that mean he would fail if UM hired him? No.

But it does mean there are some concerns, and folks dismissing them because of what he did at UM 15-20 years ago are the delusional ones, IMO.

His UNC tenure is more relevant, because it's more recent. How any fan can dismiss that time is a blatant attempt to be willfully ignorant on the subject. Or, as some have termed it ... Heel Digging.

I have my concerns for Butch, but his schedules were much tougher than what Fedora has faced this year. The Coastal was nothing special, but it wasn't the complete garbage pile it is this year. A Randy Shannon led Miami team could win the Coastal this year.

Butch'a conservative philosophy and offensive woes at UNC scare me, but are things he can correct easier than other faults some HCs have.
 
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Soooo...

We covet the guy who went 8-5 at UNC with a buttload of talent...

But laugh at the idea of considering the guy who's currently 9-1 at UNC?

That's exactly what it looks like the Butch Cult is doing. They mock Fedora and his schedule and everything else about him, yet when people point out he's already done better than Davis ever did at the same school with 3 or 4 games left to play, they got nothing.

On top of all that, Fedora's done what he's done under 4 years of constant scrutiny from the NCAA, 10 separate investigations, and actual NCAA sanctions. Butch had none of that to deal with at UNC.
 
What has any coach won at UNC? I'll wait

Mack Brown had 3x 10+ win seasons there.

Larry Fedora is on his way to a 10 win season and the ACC CG.

Did Butch do any of that?


Fedora is in year 4 taking over a team loaded with Butch players. You are not even worth discussing this with as you intentionally omit every relevant contextual factor, because you know those contexts will blow a hole in your agenda.

Fedora's team this year is loaded with Butch players? List all of them.

You're an idiot. The point is Butch took over a 3 win team with no talent. Fedora took over an team that won 8 games with a ton of starters/ drafted players suspended. Yet with the remaining squad that was left over where there was obvious talent, it still took him until year 4 to get anything going. Butch didn't truly get that benefit.

Reported.

Still waiting on that list, Poncho Villa.
 
Butch's mistake was hiring Shoop. The defense was good enough to win every game. If NC could have scored some points it would have made it even easier for his defense to make an impact since the opposing team would have to get desperate. This is why I think he should bring it someone proven at calling plays in college. I will live with Dorsey because I am a Dorsey homer but don't have any track record to know how he will do.

Shoop was HORRIBLE. That offense would have a lead and then just go dead...he snouldve been fired
 
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Butch Davis is still the best choice.

It doesn't matter how much estrogen gets thrown at the argument.

The answer is Butch Davis.
 
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Not understanding the purpose of the thread. Are we saying that Butchs resume doesnt stack up? **** neither does any other coach on our list. Herman hasnt done anything coaching wise yet. I am not going crown him based off of one year. Strong is failing miserably and might be the product of having a great QB. I dont like Fuente. IIRC this guy runs the same defensive scheme we do. Yeah he probably runs it a little better but everytime I look up those guys are in a shootout.

I dont remember anyone saying Butch was the perfect candidate. BUT he is the perfect candidate at this time for OUR PROGRAM. This guy is known for rebuilding teams. ****, I read somewhere that he led the Browns to the playoffs during his time there! THE BROWNS! How could you not be sold? The Browns have been a disgrace for years.

All that said, I will be glad when the search is officially on and we can find out who is really interested (CStrong) and who is just using us as a pawn. (THerman/JFuente..Sorry I am not buying that these guys are interested. They are using us just like BlackVern said recruits were using us as leverage to get better offers from other schools. Which turned out to be true)
 
Both of you number # 1 recruiting class in the ACC are wrong. FSU was ranked ahead of them one year and Clemson was ranked ahead of them the second year. But still goo classes for a UNC team.
 
Mack Brown had 3x 10+ win seasons there.

Larry Fedora is on his way to a 10 win season and the ACC CG.

Did Butch do any of that?


Fedora is in year 4 taking over a team loaded with Butch players. You are not even worth discussing this with as you intentionally omit every relevant contextual factor, because you know those contexts will blow a hole in your agenda.

Fedora's team this year is loaded with Butch players? List all of them.

You're an idiot. The point is Butch took over a 3 win team with no talent. Fedora took over an team that won 8 games with a ton of starters/ drafted players suspended. Yet with the remaining squad that was left over where there was obvious talent, it still took him until year 4 to get anything going. Butch didn't truly get that benefit.

Reported.

Still waiting on that list, Poncho Villa.

By all means please report me, because you're still an idiot since you lack reading comprehension. The point of my statement was that they had different starting points when they took over. Fedora took over a much better team than Butch took over.

I'll play your game though.

Drafted Butch recruited players: Quinton Coples, Zach Brown, Jonathon Cooper, Sylvester Williams, Giovanni Bernard, Brennan Williams, Travis Bond, Eric Ebron, Kareem Martin, Russell Bodine, Tre Boston, Jabari Price.

4 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, 2 4th rounders, and 2 7th rounders.

4 UFA in 2012, 3 in 2013, 2 in 2014.

Let's not forget their current starting QB Marquise Williams.

All this talent handed to him yet Fedora started 8-4, 7-6, 6-7 against weak competition. Now I know you want to shove words in everyone's mouth by stating we all said this and that, but that's not the case.

-I did say Fedora is playing a weak schedule. I never mocked him or said he sucked or couldn't do anything, but it's hard to be impressed by 7-1 against noone with a loss to a bad South Carolina team, and the only team they might play that can really make me believe they are what their record says they are is going to be Clemson in the ACCCG.

-I'm honestly not sure what the "Butch Cult" is mocking everything about Fedora is about as I haven't seen any comments against him except the schedule, so you keep making **** up. You sound just like a Goldenite making things up to make your points.

-This point is probably the most important. You cry that people are ignoring that he's done better than Butch at this point and is dealing with investigations that Butch never dealt with and like the rest of the fools ignore contextual facts that support Butch and only acknowledge the facts that support your own bias. Problem is in year 4, the same year that Fedora is finally doing good in, Butch had most of his starters, including multiple 1st rounders suspended for most of, if not all of the season. That's a significantly bigger issue. You ignore the rosters that each took over as Butch took over a complete rebuild while Fedora took over a talented team (see above). The fact Butch took over a rebuild, his year 1 record is the biggest reason for his "worse" record. Notice how before this season, year 1 was Fedora's best? You ignore the fact that prior to this season Fedora hasn't done **** and his seat was starting to warm up considering a 6 win season last year in year 3 (just like your boy Golden in the yer before getting fired).

Through all of this I didn't say a single bad thing about Fedora as a coach, but you will continue to claim we have said so much about him. You are not a reasonable poster and ignore facts. I can acknowledge actual facts and assertions you make as long as they are actually reasonable and/or factual, but if you can't do the same, you are just wasting everyone's time.
 
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