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Zanecane

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because Lyle got hurt? Or is this just how vanilla the run game is going to be?

For the record I like Dawson. So maybe i'm trying to talk myself into this but... I feel like Brown and Fletcher aren't "make them miss" in space guys and for that reason you aren't going to send them anywhere between the tackles.

We won so the formula worked. But I wish he would have actually ran a jet sweep to one of our speedsters. Notre Dame was collapsing and there were a few times we could have got the edge. One that Carson should have kept himself if he made the right read.

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It’s the same as the past two two years, Miami/mario runs inside the tackles more than anyone in the country.

It’s not changing. It minimizes holding penalties and more often than not gets 4yds a carry. You won’t get the homerun runs but this is the offense. Nothing has changed
 
Let's walk through this AGAIN.

1)The run game last year wasn't super creative, but it was extremely EFFECTIVE. Our fanbase has this mistaken belief that unless there's a lot of eye candy and fluff, an offense can't be efficient. Miami was 27th in the country last year in rushing. In other words, Miami was FIRMLY in the top quartile.

2) Miami has an elite O-Line. When you are able to whip any DL you come across, you don't need to rely on tricks. Miami can line up against anyone and consistently get yards. One can argue that alignment and formations made it a little more difficult than it needed to be last night, but it's also safe to say that Notre Dame will be by far the best defense Miami will face all season.

Dawson ran the same running game he ran last year, which was among the best in the country. What's the **** problem?
 
am I tripping or did it seem like Fletcher was lined up at WR and actually running routes a lot?
 
Looks like the same run game he had at Houston and its the same run game we've seen the whole time he's been here. I know alot of people like to believe Mario and Mirabal are controlling the run game but the run game looks the same as it did at Houston when Dawson was there its just more effective here for obvious reasons. The 305sports podcast had Hal Mumme the father of the air raid on. If you go to time stamp 36:15 of this video he speaks about their run game.

 
BeastMode said:
It’s the same as the past two two years, Miami/mario runs inside the tackles more than anyone in the country.

It’s not changing. It minimizes holding penalties and more often than not gets 4yds a carry. You won’t get the homerun runs but this is the offense. Nothing has changed
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This. Am pretty sure the only hold that was called last year on a called run on our starting OL (Bell included) was the Rivers hold against Syracuse, which wasn't a hold. With this run scheme there's almost no risk of getting a holding penalty, less chance than the average offense of getting tackled for loss, and I'd wager we averaged closer to 5 ypc running in the A & B gaps last year. There's a lot to like.

(Would still like to see us run outside the tackles more, especially with Lyle)
 
Canedude08 said:
Let's walk through this AGAIN.

1)The run game last year wasn't super creative, but it was extremely EFFECTIVE. Our fanbase has this mistaken belief that unless there's a lot of eye candy and fluff, an offense can't be efficient. Miami was 27th in the country last year in rushing. In other words, Miami was FIRMLY in the top quartile.

2) Miami has an elite O-Line. When you are able to whip any DL you come across, you don't need to rely on tricks. Miami can line up against anyone and consistently get yards. One can argue that alignment and formations made it a little more difficult than it needed to be last night, but it's also safe to say that Notre Dame will be by far the best defense Miami will face all season.

Dawson ran the same running game he ran last year, which was among the best in the country. What's the **** problem?
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The problem is Dawson hasn’t proven he can play the chess match and once again in the 2H a good Defense shut down our run game.

Look I’m not saying Dawson should be fired…. But your last sentence “what’s the **** problem” is extremely short sighted…. Eventually it’s gonna bite us in the ***

OBB pod, Roman in particular, does a great job from the 25min mark to the 35min mark outlining what needs to change

 
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Canedude08 said:
Let's walk through this AGAIN.

1)The run game last year wasn't super creative, but it was extremely EFFECTIVE. Our fanbase has this mistaken belief that unless there's a lot of eye candy and fluff, an offense can't be efficient. Miami was 27th in the country last year in rushing. In other words, Miami was FIRMLY in the top quartile.

2) Miami has an elite O-Line. When you are able to whip any DL you come across, you don't need to rely on tricks. Miami can line up against anyone and consistently get yards. One can argue that alignment and formations made it a little more difficult than it needed to be last night, but it's also safe to say that Notre Dame will be by far the best defense Miami will face all season.

Dawson ran the same running game he ran last year, which was among the best in the country. What's the **** problem?
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This.

I think the run game scheme is intentional to mitigate TFLs. It’s a lot 2 to 4 yard runs, but it keeps them on schedule.

The inside tackle runs, I look at those as body shots in boxing or leg kicks in mma. Not pretty, doesn't look effective in the early rounds. In those later rounds.

If you are running it effective, those 2 yards runs become 4 yards. 4 yards become 8 yards.

Our numbers guys on here. Are off tackle runs more prone to TFLs than Inside Tackle runs?
 
Cane6 said:
The problem is Dawson hasn’t proven he can play the chess match and once again in the 2H a good Defense shut down our run game.

Look I’m not saying Dawson should be fired…. But your last sentence “what’s the **** problem” is extremely short sighted…. Eventually it’s gonna bite us in the ***

OBB pod, Roman in particular, does a great job from the 25min mark to the 35min mark outlining what needs to change

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This is the problem, too many of our fans desperately want to sound right, instead of understanding that we don't have the full picture. Never mind the fact that we don't know what Mario told Dawson in regards to how he wanted the game to be managed. I doubt that a guy that had no problem being aggressive last year(Almost to a fault, we would have been better off pounding the rock against Syracuse, especially with a three score lead), magically decided to turtle all on his own. It was obvious that Mario believed that Miami could wear ND down and win the game late. Ironically enough, when it was obvious that ND was gassed defensively, that's when it was time to speed right past them and that never happened.
 
Canedude08 said:
Let's walk through this AGAIN.

1)The run game last year wasn't super creative, but it was extremely EFFECTIVE. Our fanbase has this mistaken belief that unless there's a lot of eye candy and fluff, an offense can't be efficient. Miami was 27th in the country last year in rushing. In other words, Miami was FIRMLY in the top quartile.

2) Miami has an elite O-Line. When you are able to whip any DL you come across, you don't need to rely on tricks. Miami can line up against anyone and consistently get yards. One can argue that alignment and formations made it a little more difficult than it needed to be last night, but it's also safe to say that Notre Dame will be by far the best defense Miami will face all season.

Dawson ran the same running game he ran last year, which was among the best in the country. What's the **** problem?
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The run game was not blowing people away last night. The 3 backs had 131 on 35 carries. That’s 3.7 ypc. We can and should do better than that. Mixing up the calls would certainly help. We don’t need “eye candy”, but occasionally lining up with a different look, different set, or SOMETHING to make it even slightly less predictable gives you a higher chance of success.
 
Gables Canes said:
The run game was not blowing people away last night. The 3 backs had 131 on 35 carries. That’s 3.7 ypc. We can and should do better than that. Mixing up the calls would certainly help. We don’t need “eye candy”, but occasionally lining up with a different look, different set, or SOMETHING to make it even slightly less predictable gives you a higher chance of success.
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This. There's literally no excuse or good reason to not have a few wrinkles off of our base running play that we mix in every now and then to keep the defense honest. This extends to play action passes as well. Our offense needs some play action passes out of our jumbo set that we run when the defense thinks we are going to run the ball. You see it in the nfl every game, every weekend. Teams score tds at the goalline on play action when the defense is loaded up to stop the run. When you get to the highest level and you are playing another team that has as much or more talent than you, you need to be able to outsmart the defense.

Someone above mentioned that people will defend the staff until this burns us. We don't need to speculate on it burning us. It burned us last night. We came away with the w, but the simplistic, predictable, conservative run game nearly cost us a game that we had dominated.
 
Zanecane said:
because Lyle got hurt? Or is this just how vanilla the run game is going to be?

For the record I like Dawson. So maybe i'm trying to talk myself into this but... I feel like Brown and Fletcher aren't "make them miss" in space guys and for that reason you aren't going to send them anywhere between the tackles.

We won so the formula worked. But I wish he would have actually ran a jet sweep to one of our speedsters. Notre Dame was collapsing and there were a few times we could have got the edge. One that Carson should have kept himself if he made the right read.

GO CANES
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So I also think a jet sweep might have opened it up however I think Dawson views that bubble screen as how we creates this same

In addition
- Lots of rain
- ND's DT were seen as weaker vs the run
- We had almost 130 yards vs a GREAT ND D
 
I think we are just not really factoring the impact the weather had on decisions. I was a bit perplexed with a few play calls but figured conditions were the reason.
 
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terdferguson said:
This. There's literally no excuse or good reason to not have a few wrinkles off of our base running play that we mix in every now and then to keep the defense honest. This extends to play action passes as well. Our offense needs some play action passes out of our jumbo set that we run when the defense thinks we are going to run the ball. You see it in the nfl every game, every weekend. Teams score tds at the goalline on play action when the defense is loaded up to stop the run. When you get to the highest level and you are playing another team that has as much or more talent than you, you need to be able to outsmart the defense.

Someone above mentioned that people will defend the staff until this burns us. We don't need to speculate on it burning us. It burned us last night. We came away with the w, but the simplistic, predictable, conservative run game nearly cost us a game that we had dominated.
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Man some y’all have short memories. Dawson did that plenty time year last. When team thought we going to run usual bully ball plays.

What about this one?


Actually if you watch Elijah Arroyo highlights there plenty of time gave the defense run look and play action off.

Did we get conservative last? Yes. But to say Dawson doesn’t run actions off runs is factually incorrect.
 
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