Depth is the Issue 30+ players lost from 2010-14

[imlive365]

Finne stole a lap top got kicked off.

Bobo Wilson is stealing scooters at FSU and getting suspended for a game.

PJ Williams is getting into hit and runs with a suspended license and is getting no punishment

AQM is getting into a simple fight and winning it so the one student gets to walk and graduate while AQM gets suspended the whole year.

Winston rapes a women gets covered up finally comes out gets reviewed still plays while its going on and do sent get charged.

Fig and blue get accused immediately dismissed from team then charges get dropped.


Do you see a difference here between schools? One cares about winning football games and one is fine with being mediocre.

If you're implying that FSU's approach to discipline and ignoring criminal activity by it's players is something that we should be doing just for the sake of winning football games then you are morally bankrupt.

There are no second chances at UM is what I'm saying. Every single one of those guys could have contributed. Yes there acts were bad except AQM his suspension still makes no sense. They obviously could give two damns what people think of there university as long as they win.

 

[TrueCane55]

Frosh qb compared to frosh wr and rb.... Cant compare next

 

[poncho0091]

I took the opportunity to take a look at just how many athletes are no longer in the program (for good reason) since 2010 that's over 30 players that were removed from roster or never made it into Miami and I know I am missing some. This is why its not an excuse that we dont have depth it's true. Out to 22-25 can play with anyone in the country but what about the next 22-25 are they all true freshman ?? Here's why it's difficult to beat an FSU or any other team with depth.

2010 Depending on if they red-shirted at least 1/2 would be Seniors this year
Tavadis Glenn ??
Darion Hall
Kevin Nelson
Keion Payne
David Perry
Andrew Tallman
Travis Williams
Storm Johnson
Jermain Barton
Jeffrey Brown
Jeremy Davis

2011 Juniors

Eddie Johnson LB a starter
Thomas Finnie DB a starter
Jalen Grimble DL transfer
Antonio Kinard never made it
Gionni Paul LB a key contributor as a Freshman
Ricardo Williams transfer


2012

QB Thompson hurt baseball

WR Lockhart transfer
Carter Jontav. transfer

RB Dillard transfer

LB Blue Kicked off team
Terry kicked off team
Witt concussion never played


DL Briscoe
Ivery

DB Hope
Vernon Davis
Nate Dortch

Athlete Angelo Jean Louis
2013

Devant Bond LB
Muhammed Susp.

Athlete Locksley never made it in

Figueroa - projected starter

I had this same argument with someone last year and did all the research. When you look at most of the teams we play and the number and quality of players other teams we face (with exception to FSU), and then remove those guys we lost from our numbers, we end up looking just like the other teams we play, but with better quality players.

Duke was the example last year. We tend to sign between 25-30 players each year (except 1 where we didn't have a lot of open scholarships). Duke signs almost exactly 20 every year. Duke loses maybe 1-2 guys per year and we 30 total over that 4 year span I think? In the end our total numbers are not that far apart. The difference comes in with the quality of players though. Our remaining 20 from each class are mostly 4 star players. Duke's remaining 20 are mostly 2 star players.

See what I'm getting at? Next excuse, nothing to see here.

 

[Muecane]

Finne stole a lap top got kicked off.

Bobo Wilson is stealing scooters at FSU and getting suspended for a game.

PJ Williams is getting into hit and runs with a suspended license and is getting no punishment

AQM is getting into a simple fight and winning it so the one student gets to walk and graduate while AQM gets suspended the whole year.

Winston rapes a women gets covered up finally comes out gets reviewed still plays while its going on and do sent get charged.

Fig and blue get accused immediately dismissed from team then charges get dropped.


Do you see a difference here between schools? One cares about winning football games and one is fine with being mediocre.

If you're implying that FSU's approach to discipline and ignoring criminal activity by it's players is something that we should be doing just for the sake of winning football games then you are morally bankrupt.

There are no second chances at UM is what I'm saying. Every single one of those guys could have contributed. Yes there acts were bad except AQM his suspension still makes no sense. They obviously could give two damns what people think of there university as long as they win.

If FSU is cutting corners and excusing what some of it's players are doing in the public eye, I can guarantee they are doing some worse things that's out of the view of the public eye. How they handled the Winston case will eventually bite them in the butt. Seem like the Shapiro thing had the admin at UM shook and they don't want to take any chances. The charges were dropped in the Fig case because they reach a plea bargain they already admitted to the accusations.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

This is the great thing I learned about Al Golden from our pathetic fans: NOTHING IS HIS FAULT.

Saint Golden is never wrong. It's always someone else's fault. Or the circumstances were bad. Oh well this recruit got in trouble. And this kid got paid. Oh and this player dropped the pass. And the game was at night. Also the schedule was tough. And the last coach was bad.

Zero accountability. They've learned well from their gutless leader.

I noticed that last year. It's taken another full season for people to even admit that Dorito is terrible. 3 years from now when we are eliminated from the Coastal title with 2 weeks remaining in the season they might come around. Emphasis on might.

They won't. They're sick individuals. Borderline homosexual crushes on the man because he uses words they've never heard of. He's conning a lot of very stupid people.

They'll give you one of their preloaded responses:

- "Who else is Miami gonna hire? Tell me." We call this battered wife syndrome
- "It takes time. He was left with a mess." Supportive girlfriend syndrome
- "The game has changed. This isn't the 80s! Our facilities suck and we can't pay anyone better than him!" bltch *** ngga syndrome


They cannot and will not stop. They're like an army of terminators wearing orange ties. They will die for this man. This is some Jonestown shlt.

Yep. I was saying that too. Someone on the wez just compared our fan base to cultist Penn State fans and he's dead on. We have fans who are defending Golden to the death over the school and team. We are now a fanbase of Joe-bots.

 

[Cribby]

The Al Golden cult kills me, I've never seen a coach have so much loyalty , especially after being so mediocre. Mind blowing.

 

[NVA CANE]

LMAO at OP not even watching the game. Pretty sure this site is getting trolled by Nole fans at this point. How are you a canes fan and you didn't even watch the ******* game?

 

[lauderdaleballer]

CENTRAL !! He also didnt recruit Lemarcus Joyner (said he was to small) SMH

He never said that... Joyner never wanted to be here... He even said he wasn't interested until RS started recruiting him and therefore he took a courtesy visit for our spring game in 09 but was always feeling FSU... You're making stuff up man... And who on that Central team did we need? Only player worth taking was Freeman but we had Miller, James, Storm and Duke coming in a year later...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnEYve3Fuw

Watch 2:55 so it can refute your fabricated story about Joyner...

 

[TrueCane55]

CENTRAL !! He also didnt recruit Lemarcus Joyner (said he was to small) SMH

He never said that... Joyner never wanted to be here... He even said he wasn't interested until RS started recruiting him and therefore he took a courtesy visit for our spring game in 09 but was always feeling FSU... You're making stuff up man... And who on that Central team did we need? Only player worth taking was Freeman but we had Miller, James, Storm and Duke coming in a year later...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnEYve3Fuw

Watch 2:55 so it can refute your fabricated story about Joyner...

good to see facts on the board

 

[904Cane]

I understand your point but who aspires to be Duke. Most of the numbers that were lost that hurt were defensive guys. We play young players on defensive all the time no one ever thought to think why?


We never have a mature defensive across the board.

This year DP, Owens, Grace, Armbrister LB's

DL: Chick , new Juco, new Juco, Piere * Senior , Thomas * Freshman,

DB: Gunter the lone Senior.

You cannot replace the maturation process of being a top recruit and maturing in a program for 3-4 years. FSU was down (IMO) on D-line and they still have age how many true Freshman DTs do they play how many true Freshman DE's do they play (maybe 1)

 

[904Cane]

http://www.thefinsiders.com/blog/2014/devonta-freeman-hoping-to-stay-in-miami-this-time-around


So we take Eduardo Clements and Darion Hall over Freeman (dont get me wrong I am not a huge Freeman fan) but he was one of those recruits that had influence over other kids..

 

[poncho0091]

I understand your point but who aspires to be Duke. Most of the numbers that were lost that hurt were defensive guys. We play young players on defensive all the time no one ever thought to think why?


We never have a mature defensive across the board.

This year DP, Owens, Grace, Armbrister LB's

DL: Chick , new Juco, new Juco, Piere * Senior , Thomas * Freshman,

DB: Gunter the lone Senior.

You cannot replace the maturation process of being a top recruit and maturing in a program for 3-4 years. FSU was down (IMO) on D-line and they still have age how many true Freshman DTs do they play how many true Freshman DE's do they play (maybe 1)

It's not about aspiring to be Duke. It's about the fact that the number of guys we are losing each year is not a factor when teams who have similar total numbers with lesser talent outperform us. Teams like Duke, VT, Virginia, UNC and others are recruiting in the low 20s vs our usual mid to high 20's and even occasional 30+ for total number of recruits per year. I'm sure they also lose recruits. With all that said, our remaining 20 (if we even go that low) are better than their 20 based on recruiting talent evaluations. At that point it's all about development and coaching.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

http://www.thefinsiders.com/blog/2014/devonta-freeman-hoping-to-stay-in-miami-this-time-around


So we take Eduardo Clements and Darion Hall over Freeman (dont get me wrong I am not a huge Freeman fan) but he was one of those recruits that had influence over other kids..

Different class... 2010 vs. 2011... We had 3 nfl backs on our roster with Miller, James and Storm... 2012 we were getting Duke... Freeman wasn't better than Miller or Duke...Central didn't have any players we wanted... Running back had young talent on it and future talent coming in...

 

[Notsince1985]

FSU had one fumble and dropped one TD They are the #2 team in America you cant make same mistakes they make and beat them.

FSU had 2 fumbles, not 1, they also threw an INT and dropped a TD. How can you just say what mistakes we made, and not the ones they had? Oh, because it fits your Golden slurping agenda, that's why.

 

[Miami Nights]

CENTRAL !! He also didnt recruit Lemarcus Joyner (said he was to small) SMH

B.s. Shannon had Joyner and several other recruits in his office and said " this is what a national championship team looks like. "There was an article about.

As far as your lying *** statement about central goes....Shannon just thought other guys were better.

 

[pb5cane]

Here's a better stat.

There's a reason we havent had any 1st round draft picks. Should wake up and realize that we are just starting to get real talent back in this program as of two classes ago. If your honest and compare our starting units (especially defense) to UF and FSU then you will know we are out manned.

Then how did we put 23 points on them in the first half? I'm tired of reading garbage like this over and over. They made 2nd half adjustments and we didn't adjust quickly and aggressively. That's why we lost. That's why this season now means nothing.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Here's a better stat.

There's a reason we havent had any 1st round draft picks. Should wake up and realize that we are just starting to get real talent back in this program as of two classes ago. If your honest and compare our starting units (especially defense) to UF and FSU then you will know we are out manned.

Then how did we put 23 points on them in the first half? I'm tired of reading garbage like this over and over. They made 2nd half adjustments and we didn't adjust quickly and aggressively. That's why we lost. That's why this season now means nothing.

In Golden's post game presser, he was asked specifically about 2nd half adjustments. Wanna know his answer? We didn't make enough plays. Dude got the deer in headlights look and just kept mumbling about "we" didn't make enough plays. In other words, BLAME THE PLAYERS.

 

[MarcoD70]

Recruit better!.....Next excuse!

Recruit better there were some absolute studs in this group that came to the school got in trouble and were kicked out of school. STUDS.. So I guess Golden made Eddie Johnson, Figs get in trouble. He made Finnie steal I could go on and on and on.

That's the coaching staffs fault to..

I'm pretty sure I remember a large majority of those names being low end recruits simply because that was all we could get (sanctions, late recruiting, etc) at the time. That's why it was SUCH a big deal when Howard and Bush signed on...it was like the fresh start we were waiting for.

 

[MarcoD70]

Finne stole a lap top got kicked off.

Bobo Wilson is stealing scooters at FSU and getting suspended for a game.

PJ Williams is getting into hit and runs with a suspended license and is getting no punishment

AQM is getting into a simple fight and winning it so the one student gets to walk and graduate while AQM gets suspended the whole year.

Winston rapes a women gets covered up finally comes out gets reviewed still plays while its going on and do sent get charged.

Fig and blue get accused immediately dismissed from team then charges get dropped.


Do you see a difference here between schools? One cares about winning football games and one is fine with being mediocre.

The difference is Miami just came off a significant penalty and has to be extra careful right now...come on. Are they still in some sort of probationary period too?

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Finne stole a lap top got kicked off.

Bobo Wilson is stealing scooters at FSU and getting suspended for a game.

PJ Williams is getting into hit and runs with a suspended license and is getting no punishment

AQM is getting into a simple fight and winning it so the one student gets to walk and graduate while AQM gets suspended the whole year.

Winston rapes a women gets covered up finally comes out gets reviewed still plays while its going on and do sent get charged.

Fig and blue get accused immediately dismissed from team then charges get dropped.


Do you see a difference here between schools? One cares about winning football games and one is fine with being mediocre.

The difference is Miami just came off a significant penalty and has to be extra careful right now...come on. Are they still in some sort of probationary period too?

Last year was their first year off probation and ZOMG they won the championship. They had almost exactly the same scholarship losses as we have and yet they were, somehow, able to rip off 10-4, 9-4 and 12-2 seasons during those probationary years prior to going 14-0.