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Defensive alignment/theory video

Coach Macho said:
That's not who I would put in a 4i. 😂
But I'm just a high school guy. What do I know?

I would sub in light DT's (or heavy DE's) in that spot. (i.e. Roberts or Taylor) Then put a light\athletic DE at the weak-side apex defender (OLB) spot. (Aranda would do this @ LSU)
With that personnel you can easily slide into an 'even' front on the very next play if you want to, without having to change personnel.
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Completely agree lol. The issue is he starts McCloud. Later in the game you see him do this with Elijah Roberts. The 4 people on our team that can be that 4i are Roberts, Taylor, JHH and maybe Nesta.
 
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Coach Macho said:
That's not who I would put in a 4i. 😂
But I'm just a high school guy. What do I know?

I would sub in light DT's (or heavy DE's) in that spot. (i.e. Roberts or Taylor) Then put a light\athletic DE at the weak-side apex defender (OLB) spot. (Aranda would do this @ LSU)
With that personnel you can easily slide into an 'even' front on the very next play if you want to, without having to change personnel.
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Completely agree lol. The issue is he starts McCloud. Later in the game you see him do this with Elijah Roberts. The 4 people on our team that can be that 4i are Roberts, Taylor, JHH and maybe Nesta.
 
Coach Macho said:
That's not who I would put in a 4i. 😂
But I'm just a high school guy. What do I know?

I would sub in light DT's (or heavy DE's) in that spot. (i.e. Roberts or Taylor) Then put a light\athletic DE at the weak-side apex defender (OLB) spot. (Aranda would do this @ LSU)
With that personnel you can easily slide into an 'even' front on the very next play if you want to, without having to change personnel.
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come on coach thats way too sophisticated.

what do you want to run next? match coverage?
 
Coach Macho said:
I'm not crazy about the defense, but I expected this. The offense, however, is extremely disappointing.
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Very much so. I know you're a defensive guy, so you probably expect more from the defense, and probably are more personally disappointed when it doesn't perform. I'm an offensive guy, so for me, I almost always put the onus on the offense to win games. But I don't think I'm being irrational at all when I say that we would be 4-1 if we performed even close to expectation on offense this year.

Not giving a pass to the defense at all, by the way. But it's hard to win when your offense can't get out of its own way. The defense has played well in stretches in all the games. The offense has been pretty brutal almost start to finish. We're 99th in offensive yards per play this year. 99th!!! And while that does factor in a game vs Alabama, it also factors a game against a Go5 team, a Big 10 team, and Vir-*******-ginia.
 
NorthEastCane said:
The one thing the video said is you don't need specialized players or super stars to run it.
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Don't need stars but you need a big man in the middle and I'm not sure who could hang with that responsibility that is currently on our roster.

Roberts, JHH, and Taylor would thrive on the end roles though. Chantz could probably do it too.

I've seen Aranda at LSU run it and I think it was Jim Leonhard at Wisconsin run it (a lot of DCs run it but they're the best at it) K'Lavon Chaisson and Arden Key thrived in it playing right off the ball as a stand up backer and then more traditional edge rusher in different formations. But they had the horses in the trenches to run it with the big Hawaiian kid holding down the interior.

That is what made Gary Patterson the popular name about a decade ago. He was great with it. Teams have caught on now.
 
JayCane20 said:
Don't need stars but you need a big man in the middle and I'm not sure who could hang with that responsibility that is currently on our roster.

Roberts, JHH, and Taylor would thrive on the end roles though. Chantz could probably do it too.

I've seen Aranda at LSU run it and I think it was Jim Leonhard at Wisconsin run it (a lot of DCs run it but they're the best at it) K'Lavon Chaisson and Arden Key thrived in it playing right off the ball as a stand up backer and then more traditional edge rusher in different formations. But they had the horses in the trenches to run it with the big Hawaiian kid holding down the interior.

That is what made Gary Patterson the popular name about a decade ago. He was great with it. Teams have caught on now.
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iowa states success of forcing everything wide also helped. when they started having success after flipping their defense around entirely, i think it caught on.
 
JayCane20 said:
Don't need stars but you need a big man in the middle and I'm not sure who could hang with that responsibility that is currently on our roster.

Roberts, JHH, and Taylor would thrive on the end roles though. Chantz could probably do it too.

I've seen Aranda at LSU run it and I think it was Jim Leonhard at Wisconsin run it (a lot of DCs run it but they're the best at it) K'Lavon Chaisson and Arden Key thrived in it playing right off the ball as a stand up backer and then more traditional edge rusher in different formations. But they had the horses in the trenches to run it with the big Hawaiian kid holding down the interior.

That is what made Gary Patterson the popular name about a decade ago. He was great with it. Teams have caught on now.
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You do not need to change your entire scheme/roster to run it. Clemson does it and does not have a 330lb 2 gap nose to play it.

Teams like Bama/UGA are doing it and base out of an odd front.
 
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San Amaro Dr said:
You do not need to change your entire scheme/roster to run it. Clemson does it and does not have a 330lb 2 gap nose to play it.

Teams like Bama/UGA are doing it and base out of an odd front.
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Never said we have to change our entire roster to run it. But it's not going to be successful unless you've got someone that can physically handle taking a double team and manning 2 gaps every play. We don't have that. They've never been asked to do that. Maybe it's not a total bust but it won't be executed at its best without recruiting guys to do that.

However, even under Golden we had guys that were 305-315 and very average players that were at least decent at it like Calvin Heurtelou and Olsen Pierre
 
Hogan said:
hate to say but colleges and even high schools at times run more complex defenses compared to the stuff nfl defenses run

thats not even my words, if you happen to follow coach vass on twitter, you would have read that already

staley is just the first guy who came out running this type of defense.
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I definitely run more stuff at Deerfield than Miami does on Saturdays. 😂

FRONTS - Odd (3-4), Odd Tite, Odd Jet, Under (4 front) and Bear (5 front) are the fronts that we use almost weekly.

COVERAGES - Cover-3, Cover-1, Cover-2-Read, Cover-6, Cover-2-Man, Cover-0 and "Special" are the coverages that we use.

We also have 5 or 6 different personnel groupings that we use every week...
"Regular" (2 DE's, 1 Nose, 4 LB's)
"Beef" (3 DT's, 2 DE\OLB's, 2 ILB's)
"Under" (2 DT's, 2 DE's, 2 ILB's, 1 Nickel)
"Nascar" (2 LB's, 1 Nickel, 4 DE's - pass rush personnel)
"Dime" (2 DE's, 1 Nose, 2 LB's, 6 DB's)
"Penny" (removes the Nose from Dime package and adds an extra LB so we can vary how we send pressure and\or spy the QB)

I have a call sheet with 10+ blitzes that we can use out of base personnel, and another 10+ blitzes that we can use out of Dime personnel. We generally don't use all of them, obviously, but it's nice to have them in the tool shed. Pretty much everybody in our back-7 gets to blitz, even the Safeties and Corners. Just depends on whether the offensive formation and\or ball placement will allow us to or not.

Sounds a lot more complex than it is, but it's simple when you break it down for the kids. They know that certain calls\blitzes only apply to them (i.e "Fire" tells the Free Safety to blitz) or "Sting" (Strong Safety) or "Nuke" (Nickel). It sounds the same as their position name, so it's easy for them to remember. It's up to ME to tie certain fronts and coverages to those blitzes. (because not all of them work together)
If you hear your name\position called, you blitz. Let ME worry about what's going on behind you.

This allows us to give the offense so many different looks, that often times they don't even know what we're doing from play to play.
 
JayCane20 said:
Never said we have to change our entire roster to run it. But it's not going to be successful unless you've got someone that can physically handle taking a double team and manning 2 gaps every play. We don't have that. They've never been asked to do that. Maybe it's not a total bust but it won't be executed at its best without recruiting guys to do that.

However, even under Golden we had guys that were 305-315 and very average players that were at least decent at it like Calvin Heurtelou and Olsen Pierre
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There's 1-gap 3-4's.
 
Coach Macho said:
I definitely run more stuff at Deerfield than Miami does on Saturdays. 😂

FRONTS - Odd (3-4), Odd Tite, Odd Jet, Under (4 front) and Bear (5 front) are the fronts that we use almost weekly.

COVERAGES - Cover-3, Cover-1, Cover-2-Read, Cover-6, Cover-2-Man, Cover-0 and "Special" are the coverages that we use.

We also have 5 or 6 different personnel groupings that we use every week...
"Regular" (2 DE's, 1 Nose, 4 LB's)
"Beef" (3 DT's, 2 DE\OLB's, 2 ILB's)
"Under" (2 DT's, 2 DE's, 2 ILB's, 1 Nickel)
"Nascar" (2 LB's, 1 Nickel, 4 DE's - pass rush personnel)
"Dime" (2 DE's, 1 Nose, 2 LB's, 6 DB's)
"Penny" (removes the Nose from Dime package and adds an extra LB so we can vary how we send pressure and\or spy the QB)

I have a call sheet with 10+ blitzes that we can use out of base personnel, and another 10+ blitzes that we can use out of Dime personnel. We generally don't use all of them, obviously, but it's nice to have them in the tool shed. Pretty much everybody in our back-7 gets to blitz, even the Safeties and Corners. Just depends on whether the offensive formation and\or ball placement will allow us to or not.

Sounds a lot more complex than it is, but it's simple when you break it down for the kids. They know that certain calls\blitzes only apply to them (i.e "Fire" tells the Free Safety to blitz) or "Sting" (Strong Safety) or "Nuke" (Nickel). It sounds the same as their position name, so it's easy for them to remember. It's up to ME to tie certain fronts and coverages to those blitzes. (because not all of them work together)
If you hear your name\position called, you blitz. Let ME worry about what's going on behind you.

This allows us to give the offense so many different looks, that often times they don't even know what we're doing from play to play.
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yeah you run more stuff in-game compared to what manny plans for saturdays. jesus
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Very much so. I know you're a defensive guy, so you probably expect more from the defense, and probably are more personally disappointed when it doesn't perform. I'm an offensive guy, so for me, I almost always put the onus on the offense to win games. But I don't think I'm being irrational at all when I say that we would be 4-1 if we performed even close to expectation on offense this year.

Not giving a pass to the defense at all, by the way. But it's hard to win when your offense can't get out of its own way. The defense has played well in stretches in all the games. The offense has been pretty brutal almost start to finish. We're 99th in offensive yards per play this year. 99th!!! And while that does factor in a game vs Alabama, it also factors a game against a Go5 team, a Big 10 team, and Vir-*******-ginia.
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I think the standards for defensive football have changed in the last 10 years or so. Nobody plays complete shutdown defense anymore, so I'm not expecting that. I do, however, expect a modern offense to score points. The game is tailored for them.
 
Hogan said:
yeah you run more stuff in-game compared to what manny plans for saturdays. jesus
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And with our personnel groups, we're also able to get 15-20 different kids on the field every game.
(we got 20 on the field Saturday night)

I have DB's who may not be good enough to start, but can play in the Dime package. I have a small OLB who doesn't start but he's fast as **** so I use him on dime package to spy the QB or blitz. I have 2 NT's who obviously can't start over Tarber, but they get snaps during 'Beef' or 'Under' packages.

The kids love it and it keeps them engaged because they ALL feel like they have a part in the game plan. I mean, we've had kids who don't even start but will finish the season with 8 sacks, mostly from sub package reps.
 
Coach Macho said:
There's 1-gap 3-4's.
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Ya I don't care what we run as far as alignment. The 2 gap exclusive stuff has basically disappeared at this point. Saban, Smart, Aranda, Leonhard, etc and the premier defensive coaches ask their big man in the middle to control 2 gaps.

I've never coached the Tite front but the point is to take some gap responsibility away from you wlb, right? Mainly to be more effective against the RPO and spread passing attack. Someone has to 2 gap to do that.
 
Coach Macho said:
And with our personnel groups, we're also able to get 15-20 different kids on the field every game.
(we got 20 on the field Saturday night)

I have DB's who may not be good enough to start, but can play in the Dime package. I have a small OLB who doesn't start but he's fast as **** so I use him on dime package to spy the QB or blitz. I have 2 NT's who obviously can't start over Tarber, but they get snaps during 'Beef' or 'Under' packages.

The kids love it and it keeps them engaged because they ALL feel like they have a part in the game plan. I mean, we've had kids who don't even start but will finish the season with 8 sacks, mostly from sub package calls.
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i think the kids love the challenge of the playbook and also the versatility that comes with it. everyone has a role, everyone is aware of it, but based on the opponent, different guys will have their chance to shine. and thats what keeps them engaged.
 
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