Dee Liner

[BWCD]

Honestly...it wouldn't surprise me for us to get in on him. I'm all for killing the staff for their true misses and multiple miscues, but Liner is a guy that we should go for ASAP. Would not hurt to reach out.

I'd take him. After a year in Bama's S&C program, he'll likely step in from day one and be the strongest DL we've got.

 

[TreOFive]

Honestly...it wouldn't surprise me for us to get in on him. I'm all for killing the staff for their true misses and multiple miscues, but Liner is a guy that we should go for ASAP. Would not hurt to reach out.

I'd take him. After a year in Bama's S&C program, he'll likely step in from day one and be the strongest DL we've got.

but can he back peddle? Do not want if he cant cover the deep 3rd from his tackle position

 

[Canesfan1899]

"I know Bama has a real fanbase, nicer stadium/facilities, better conference.. but we have a WEfense."

Sign him up.

I agree with most of what you said but Bama fans are just as crazed if not more than ours, they send kids death threats after losing games.

 

[252cane]

Bama does not use that frog stance ****. Every 3-4 team doesnt do the same thing.

Stanford, usc, fsu, uga etc all use the 3-4 and don't use that frog ****.

And bama plays the 4-3 and nickel packages 85% of the time so they rarely 2gap.

Bama Dline 2 Gaps on ALMOST EVERY PLAY, now their philosophy for gap control execution is different than Miami's, Bama teaches their dlinemen to push the LOS back 2-3 yds as they are engaging the oline. Where as Miami teaches the dline to engage then read (this is why it looks like we are catching blocks rather than attacking them) to find the ball carrier an if you give a a yard or two it is still considered a positive outcome.

So this is why it appears to the untrained eye that Bama is not running a two gap defense and also running a 4-3 base when their defense is actually 3-4 based.

Go Canes

they are a 3-4 base but saban has said a million times they run the 4-3 and nickel 85% of the time for the spread o

 

[252cane]

Paranos don't question my football knowledge my eye is very trained.

I played d-line and linebacker in a 3-4 and 4-3 so i know what i see.

And 2 gap and gap controll is two different things.

2 gap you ask 3 down lineman to eat up 5 o-lineman. Meaning each d-lineman take 2 o-lineman to let the lb make the play.

Gap control is used in 4-3 fronts as well as 3-4. Miss-st gap controls out of the 4-3.

Gap control you dont take 2 o-lineman or you dont attack gaps. You hold the point of attack and make sure nothing comes in your gap ie controlling the gap.

Usually teams with bigger d-lineman gap control.

 

[Gatorhater]

Paranos don't question my football knowledge my eye is very trained.

I played d-line and linebacker in a 3-4 and 4-3 so i know what i see.

And 2 gap and gap controll is two different things.

2 gap you ask 3 down lineman to eat up 5 o-lineman. Meaning each d-lineman take 2 o-lineman to let the lb make the play.

Gap control is used in 4-3 fronts as well as 3-4. Miss-st gap controls out of the 4-3.

Gap control you dont take 2 o-lineman or you dont attack gaps. You hold the point of attack and make sure nothing comes in your gap ie controlling the gap.

Usually teams with bigger d-lineman gap control.

Hey guys, which is the one we used to run -- where you throw the olimen on top of the QB and rip the rb's head off?

 

[Plzwork4]

Bama does not use that frog stance ****. Every 3-4 team doesnt do the same thing.

Stanford, usc, fsu, uga etc all use the 3-4 and don't use that frog ****.

And bama plays the 4-3 and nickel packages 85% of the time so they rarely 2gap.

Bama Dline 2 Gaps on ALMOST EVERY PLAY, now their philosophy for gap control execution is different than Miami's, Bama teaches their dlinemen to push the LOS back 2-3 yds as they are engaging the oline. Where as Miami teaches the dline to engage then read (this is why it looks like we are catching blocks rather than attacking them) to find the ball carrier an if you give a a yard or two it is still considered a positive outcome.

So this is why it appears to the untrained eye that Bama is not running a two gap defense and also running a 4-3 base when their defense is actually 3-4 based.

Go Canes

So you're eyes are trained? Is this what you're trying to tell me?

 

[Plzwork4]

Paranos don't question my football knowledge my eye is very trained.

I played d-line and linebacker in a 3-4 and 4-3 so i know what i see.

And 2 gap and gap controll is two different things.

2 gap you ask 3 down lineman to eat up 5 o-lineman. Meaning each d-lineman take 2 o-lineman to let the lb make the play.

Gap control is used in 4-3 fronts as well as 3-4. Miss-st gap controls out of the 4-3.

Gap control you dont take 2 o-lineman or you dont attack gaps. You hold the point of attack and make sure nothing comes in your gap ie controlling the gap.

Usually teams with bigger d-lineman gap control.

252...he has no idea what he is talking about so don't sweat his comments.

 

[daddacane]

Auburn or Texas with a bus stop in Tallahassee.

 

[L A M P]

Bama fans are just as crazed if not more than ours, they send kids death threats after losing games.

All fanbases are crazed. The difference is most fanbases show up to games.. Well at least more than 37 of them.

 

[Paranos]

252...he has no idea what he is talking about so don't sweat his comments.

According whom I don't know what I am taking about, man please don't speak on things you know nothing about in terms of my football knowledge.

Go Canes

 

[Paranos]

Paranos don't question my football knowledge my eye is very trained.

I played d-line and linebacker in a 3-4 and 4-3 so i know what i see.

And 2 gap and gap controll is two different things.

2 gap you ask 3 down lineman to eat up 5 o-lineman. Meaning each d-lineman take 2 o-lineman to let the lb make the play.

Gap control is used in 4-3 fronts as well as 3-4. Miss-st gap controls out of the 4-3.

Gap control you dont take 2 o-lineman or you dont attack gaps. You hold the point of attack and make sure nothing comes in your gap ie controlling the gap.

Usually teams with bigger d-lineman gap control.

Looks like a 3 man front to me
[video=youtube;eronLezYZRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eronLezYZRs[/video]

Oh wait here is a few years prior to the one above and oh yeah looks like a 3 man front also
[video=youtube;odTLK3AE8Vk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odTLK3AE8Vk&list=PL16838C2F86D13486[/video]

 

[Odin]

Paranos don't question my football knowledge my eye is very trained.

I played d-line and linebacker in a 3-4 and 4-3 so i know what i see.

And 2 gap and gap controll is two different things.

2 gap you ask 3 down lineman to eat up 5 o-lineman. Meaning each d-lineman take 2 o-lineman to let the lb make the play.

Gap control is used in 4-3 fronts as well as 3-4. Miss-st gap controls out of the 4-3.

Gap control you dont take 2 o-lineman or you dont attack gaps. You hold the point of attack and make sure nothing comes in your gap ie controlling the gap.

Usually teams with bigger d-lineman gap control.

Hey guys, which is the one we used to run -- where you throw the olimen on top of the QB and rip the rb's head off?

LOL,that's the anti golden defense or as they refer to it at the hecht the wefense .

 

[Paranos]

Bama does not use that frog stance ****. Every 3-4 team doesnt do the same thing.

Stanford, usc, fsu, uga etc all use the 3-4 and don't use that frog ****.

And bama plays the 4-3 and nickel packages 85% of the time so they rarely 2gap.

Bama Dline 2 Gaps on ALMOST EVERY PLAY, now their philosophy for gap control execution is different than Miami's, Bama teaches their dlinemen to push the LOS back 2-3 yds as they are engaging the oline. Where as Miami teaches the dline to engage then read (this is why it looks like we are catching blocks rather than attacking them) to find the ball carrier an if you give a a yard or two it is still considered a positive outcome.

So this is why it appears to the untrained eye that Bama is not running a two gap defense and also running a 4-3 base when their defense is actually 3-4 based.

Go Canes

So you're eyes are trained? Is this what you're trying to tell me?

Yes my eyes are well trained. Now I am not saying bama didn't use multiple defenses throughout the year, I am merely disputing that they run 4-3 schemes 85% of the time and that they are a 4-3 team now. An actually I believe Bama used a lot more 4-2-5 schemes than 4-3 schemes this year.

Go Canes

[video=youtube;U7NL064aClE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7NL064aClE[/video]

 

[2Focusd804]

Bama does not use that frog stance ****. Every 3-4 team doesnt do the same thing.

Stanford, usc, fsu, uga etc all use the 3-4 and don't use that frog ****.

And bama plays the 4-3 and nickel packages 85% of the time so they rarely 2gap.

Bama Dline 2 Gaps on ALMOST EVERY PLAY, now their philosophy for gap control execution is different than Miami's, Bama teaches their dlinemen to push the LOS back 2-3 yds as they are engaging the oline. Where as Miami teaches the dline to engage then read (this is why it looks like we are catching blocks rather than attacking them) to find the ball carrier an if you give a a yard or two it is still considered a positive outcome.

So this is why it appears to the untrained eye that Bama is not running a two gap defense and also running a 4-3 base when their defense is actually 3-4 based.

Go Canes

Lots of wrong info here.

Miami does not teach the dline to give up ground or stand still. The only reason you see miami 2-5 yards down field is becuz we don't have the personnel to run a 2 gap defense. Bama does, so they are able to engage and bench press the olineman and hold their ground better. Its never a positive outcome to give ground whether its a 1 gap or 2 gap defense.

Also Bama is a multiple defense and uses a 4 man line a lot

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/al...d-run-defense-overshadowed-poor-pass-defense/

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I would like to have this kid. Dorito makes me feel like we don't have a ******* chance.

 

[2Focusd804]

Bama does not use that frog stance ****. Every 3-4 team doesnt do the same thing.

Stanford, usc, fsu, uga etc all use the 3-4 and don't use that frog ****.

And bama plays the 4-3 and nickel packages 85% of the time so they rarely 2gap.

Bama Dline 2 Gaps on ALMOST EVERY PLAY, now their philosophy for gap control execution is different than Miami's, Bama teaches their dlinemen to push the LOS back 2-3 yds as they are engaging the oline. Where as Miami teaches the dline to engage then read (this is why it looks like we are catching blocks rather than attacking them) to find the ball carrier an if you give a a yard or two it is still considered a positive outcome.

So this is why it appears to the untrained eye that Bama is not running a two gap defense and also running a 4-3 base when their defense is actually 3-4 based.

Go Canes

So you're eyes are trained? Is this what you're trying to tell me?

Yes my eyes are well trained. Now I am not saying bama didn't use multiple defenses throughout the year, I am merely disputing that they run 4-3 schemes 85% of the time and that they are a 4-3 team now. An actually I believe Bama used a lot more 4-2-5 schemes than 4-3 schemes this year.

Go Canes

[video=youtube;U7NL064aClE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7NL064aClE[/video]

hopefully your trained eyes tell you that Bama's "4-2-5" is just a nickel defense vs a spread team like auburn.

 

[Paranos]

Lots of wrong info here.

Miami does not teach the dline to give up ground or stand still. The only reason you see miami 2-5 yards down field is becuz we don't have the personnel to run a 2 gap defense. Bama does, so they are able to engage and bench press the olineman and hold their ground better. Its never a positive outcome to give ground whether its a 1 gap or 2 gap defense.

Also Bama is a multiple defense and uses a 4 man line a lot

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/al...d-run-defense-overshadowed-poor-pass-defense/

Miami's bend but don't break philosphy of conceding 2 yds a play on 1st and 2nd is theoretically supposed to leave the opponent in 3rd and 6 situations which is considered 3rd and long so the odds are the side of the defense which is what Golden wants. An I agree that it is never a good idea to give ground in any circumstance.

[video=youtube;GYKMWWuu0Zk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKMWWuu0Zk[/video]

 

[2Focusd804]

Paranos don't question my football knowledge my eye is very trained.

I played d-line and linebacker in a 3-4 and 4-3 so i know what i see.

And 2 gap and gap controll is two different things.

2 gap you ask 3 down lineman to eat up 5 o-lineman. Meaning each d-lineman take 2 o-lineman to let the lb make the play.

Gap control is used in 4-3 fronts as well as 3-4. Miss-st gap controls out of the 4-3.

Gap control you dont take 2 o-lineman or you dont attack gaps. You hold the point of attack and make sure nothing comes in your gap ie controlling the gap.

Usually teams with bigger d-lineman gap control.

this is not really true. 2 gap doesn't mean taking up 2 blockers, it means that the defender is responsible for the gap on either side of him. 1 gap means you are responsible for a single gap. you can 2 gap or 1 gap out of the 3-4 and 4-3 depending on the philosophy. If we 1 gaped out of the 3-4 I think it would benefit the team a lot more.

 

[2Focusd804]

Lots of wrong info here.

Miami does not teach the dline to give up ground or stand still. The only reason you see miami 2-5 yards down field is becuz we don't have the personnel to run a 2 gap defense. Bama does, so they are able to engage and bench press the olineman and hold their ground better. Its never a positive outcome to give ground whether its a 1 gap or 2 gap defense.

Also Bama is a multiple defense and uses a 4 man line a lot

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/al...d-run-defense-overshadowed-poor-pass-defense/

Miami's bend but don't break philosphy of conceding 2 yds a play on 1st and 2nd is theoretically supposed to leave the opponent in 3rd and 6 situations which is considered 3rd and long so the odds are the side of the defense which is what Golden wants. An I agree that it is never a good idea to give ground in any circumstance.

[video=youtube;GYKMWWuu0Zk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKMWWuu0Zk[/video]

lol what? bend but don't break is a philosophy of playing soft coverage as to not give up the big play and make a team drive multiple plays and holding firm in the scoring area. It has nothing to do with run defense. why would we teach a d line to give up 2 yards on a run when we could have tackled them for a 0 or -1 yard gain? wouldn't 3 and 10 be better than 3 and 6?