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David Feely Expected to be hired as SC Coach

Gi0logy said:
One of the first things Manny did was promote Feeley to assistant athletics director and I’m assuming he got a raise was that. So he was retained before Geoff hired Lewis.
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They tried to take him to GT, he was staying at temple. Whoever said Collins didn’t want take him is full of ****. He wanted too
 
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AlphaMarshan said:
I mostly disagree with you here.

It is definitely important to have mentors and experience coaching under other great coaches, I don't deny that one bit. But this isn't the 70's anymore. New research in exercise physiology emerges every year. An educational background in exercise science and relevant industry-standard certifications like the CSCS doesn't guarantee you'll be a great coach, but it at least tells me that this person has the foundational aptitude to understand the science behind their training and why they do it. Otherwise the training philosophy just becomes, "Well because I learned under coach so and so and that's what he did."
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Why is the assumption that you have to take a class or be certified to learn or stay current? Yes it is one way to do it, but you can also be a self learner and teach yourself almost any subject in the world. He could suck and know nothing, but assuming he does b/c his bio doesn't list a formal education doesn't mean he does.
 
canegrad said:
Why is the assumption that you have to take a class or be certified to learn or stay current? Yes it is one way to do it, but you can also be a self learner and teach yourself almost any subject in the world. He could suck and know nothing, but assuming he does b/c his bio doesn't list a formal education doesn't mean he does.
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I explicitly said as much. I mean, go back and read what I said.

Having every degree and certification doesn't mean you'll be a good strength coach, but it does provide the rest of us an understanding that this person understands at least the foundational scientific basis for why and how we train athletes. You're right, you don't have to have that to be a good strength coach, but this day in age, why wouldn't you want that? Otherwise, we're just guessing.
 
AlphaMarshan said:
Strength coaches unite!

Agree. As I posted above, I'm not gonna completely rip on the guy because we just don't know a lot about him, but it's easy to spot a dinosaur in this field, and guys like Swasey and Felder continue to perpetuate this "old school, that's just what ya do" mentality. I think Feely will be an upgrade, it's just frustrating because it's easy to see this isn't really a home run hire, and the optics of this weird Miami-Temple relationship aren't good.
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****. there are a bunch of us on here. I am a big fan of Joey Bergles from Utah State. Very low injury rates (Does Kinstretch sessions with the team) And absolutely great results. Combines old school "tough" mentality with new school understanding of maximizing performance.
**** I'm a CSCS. I should have applied lol. all that being said I know nothing about him and I'm not going to bash the hire, but a lack of crediental promotion is concerning
 
zeeblet01 said:
****. there are a bunch of us on here. I am a big fan of Joey Bergles from Utah State. Very low injury rates (Does Kinstretch sessions with the team) And absolutely great results. Combines old school "tough" mentality with new school understanding of maximizing performance.
**** I'm a CSCS. I should have applied lol. all that being said I know nothing about him and I'm not going to bash the hire, but a lack of crediental promotion is concerning
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Word. Radcliffe at Oregon is my favorite. CSCS here too, although I haven't renewed. It's crazy how competitive it has become, you basically must know someone on the inside now.
 
TGood52thePlumber said:
Posted this in the other Feely thread and thought I’d share here. Brought me comfort over a google search or reading Temple boards for their reaction:

Just texted with a friend that played at Ball State when he was there and was all-MAC, now coaches at YSU under Pelini and bounced around NFL practice squads for 5 years with about 1 active season: “should be a happy Canes fan getting Feeley” I like it
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Good stuff. Thanks for posting this.
 
mirvin88 said:
I love how most 'Canes fans sucked off Swasey for years as one of the best in the business then it comes out that he wasn't even certified to be in the weight room and now most of those same fans already know this guys sucks.
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That's actually fake news.
Proceed though.
 
AlphaMarshan said:
No one said anything about "new age" training, where some guru makes everyone do yoga and focuses on overtly "functional" movements and no load.



I'm not sure why these are mutually exclusive, and this is why I want someone with an educational background in this field. That IS the basics, and provides a foundational aptitude that allows you to decide what new research and methodologies are worthwhile to implement in your weight room, and which ones are garbage and a waste of time.



No doubt. Mickey Marotti over at Ohio State has a guy specifically for speed/agility.
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I've been saying we needed a dedicated speed/agility guy on staff since Richt/Felder arrived. Some of our players got bigger but our speed was seriously lacking on the field. We saw multiple players regress over their careers in the speed department. It should be the opposite in a great S&C program.

That said, i didn't like the Felder/JT/PSU connection. Thomas' program there was terrible, hated by many within and around the program. I was vocal about that. If Felder was using those philosophies and techniques, it was doomed from the start. Doesn't take much though to be better than someone with zero academic schooling or certifications related to S&C training.
 
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AlphaMarshan said:
Swasey got a pass from most Canes because he was part of that 2001 team that destroyed everyone. They made the easy correlation that he must have had something to do with it. Like I said in another post, it's pretty easy to look like a genius when you're the strength coach for Ed Reed, Vilma, Jeremy Shockey, Andre Johnson, McGahee, Clinton Portis, etc.
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Also false.
 
AlphaMarshan said:
Word. Radcliffe at Oregon is my favorite. CSCS here too, although I haven't renewed. It's crazy how competitive it has become, you basically must know someone on the inside now.
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My professor said it this way... It's not who you know it's who knows you.
Someone you worked with has to get in position to make the hire. ****** field that's getting better
 
MedleyCane said:
Also false.
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He was there for 15 seasons. Even when he was fired (which he should have been), go look at the outrage from all the former players. It's difficult to quantify but a substantial amount of people were just fine with him, otherwise he wouldn't have been there so long.
 
AlphaMarshan said:
He was there for 15 seasons. Even when he was fired (which he should have been), go look at the outrage from all the former players. It's difficult to quantify but a substantial amount of people were just fine with him, otherwise he wouldn't have been there so long.
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I was responding to the revisionist claim that fans were OK with Swasey as S&C coach, and that was false.
Yes, some fans defended Swasey and, as you noted, pointed out that our former players loved him and that hewas
the reason why many of them worked out under him during their NFL offseasons, to which most of us replied
that they were in soFla because they were either from the area and/or preferred to spend their offseasons
in soFla for many of the same reasons other young males with lots of money do.
Sorry, I hate blanket statements, especially those that are revisionist and conveniently shoehorns into agendas.
 
TGood52thePlumber said:
Posted this in the other Feely thread and thought I’d share here. Brought me comfort over a google search or reading Temple boards for their reaction:

Just texted with a friend that played at Ball State when he was there and was all-MAC, now coaches at YSU under Pelini and bounced around NFL practice squads for 5 years with about 1 active season: “should be a happy Canes fan getting Feeley” I like it
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We need more posts like this that offer information from guys that have experience with these coaches, not posts that bad rap a hire without any knowledge. Before the clowns jump in, follow his info and source, it’s accurate.
 
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AlphaMarshan said:
He was there for 15 seasons. Even when he was fired (which he should have been), go look at the outrage from all the former players. It's difficult to quantify but a substantial amount of people were just fine with him, otherwise he wouldn't have been there so long.
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lol romberg still sucks his left nut. i laugh every time he mentions the name
 
Coaching Trees in the S&C matter just as much as it does in the X and O's sense. The usual path for Kinesiology, Exercise Science/Physiology grads is. Intern, Graduate Assistant, Assistant Director of Strength, Head Strength Coach. If your Head boss gives you his seal of approval and lets say you were a GA under Coach Moffit looking for a Full time job. Well fingers crossed you better hope he thought the world of you. In terms of whether the coach is good or not. Job Security in the S&C industry now a days usually means whats going on in the win loss column will keep you in the job. Hence Scott Cochran. Lets pray If the guys who speak highly of feeley at those smaller schools like Ball State and Temple are right and he turns our guys into savages.
 
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