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252cane said:
Name a TE better than jordan. And thomas and kj would start at fsu. **** pope, wiggins, payton and maybe even harley too.
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Lmao based on nothing at all. KJ and Brevin have been the only reliable players in receiving this year. All the others are just typical CIS hype that would take a bullet for them conviced they have 15 year NFL careers in front of them.

Besides, what's the number one line used in CIS? It's we're more talented than our opponents. Well, so is FSU and they're still struggling and we're outperforming them
 
streetja said:
Lmao based on nothing at all. KJ and Brevin have been the only reliable players in receiving this year. All the others are just typical CIS hype that would take a bullet for them conviced they have 15 year NFL careers in front of them.

Besides, what's the number one line used in CIS? It's we're more talented than our opponents. Well, so is FSU and they're still struggling and we're outperforming them
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You can't name a fsu wr outside of terry
 
252cane said:
Nobody said glory but it would definitely improve this offense a ton. And fsu isnt that good at wr and te.
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FSUs oline is also terrible, not as bad as Miami but still trash nonetheless.

Football at its core is won at the line of scrimmage with blocking & tackling. If you do those two well you're gonna have more success than your opponent 90% of the time. Period.
So case in point, if you don't have a solid oline to pass & run block, it doesn't matter the offensive scheme you orchestrate behind it, it still won't have much success.

An offensive/ defensive coordinator is like the architect that creates a blueprint & the Line coach is the general contractor that builds it into reality. They go hand in hand. That's why most offensive coordinators handpick their own OL Coach or are package deals. And why line coaches are the highest paid position coaches on average.
 
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Canaanite said:
FSUs oline is also terrible, not as bad as Miami but still trash nonetheless.

Football at its core is won at the line of scrimmage with blocking & tackling. If you do those two well you're gonna have more success than your opponent 90% of the time. Period.
So case in point, if you don't have a solid oline to pass & run block, it doesn't matter the offensive scheme you orchestrate behind it, it still won't have much success.

An offensive/ defensive coordinator is like the architect that creates a blueprint & the Line coach is the general contractor that builds it into reality. They go hand in hand. That's why most offensive coordinators handpick their own OL Coach or are package deals. And why line coaches are the highest paid position coaches on average.
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Nope, a coach can come in here and magically create a top 25 offense no matter who the players are.
 
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mdpcane said:
"hinder the scheme" ? if thats what you call playing like ****t and stinking up the stadium, then yes, the OL is hindering the scheme ... LOL
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Look no further than the Kansas City Chiefs. They have injuries across the line with the best QB in the game and they have struggled bc they cant even snap the ball without Mahomes being pressured. You got Andy Reid one of the best playcallers/schemers in the history of football having issues with a rough line.
 
MizCane said:
Look no further than the Kansas City Chiefs. They have injuries across the line with the best QB in the game and they have struggled bc they cant even snap the ball without Mahomes being pressured. You got Andy Reid one of the best playcallers/schemers in the history of football having issues with a rough line.
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Stop. Players don't matter and it's all about scheme. The Chiefs have taken a step back this year because Reid is a coRch.
 
MizCane said:
Look no further than the Kansas City Chiefs. They have injuries across the line with the best QB in the game and they have struggled bc they cant even snap the ball without Mahomes being pressured. You got Andy Reid one of the best playcallers/schemers in the history of football having issues with a rough line.
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And they are still 3rd in the league in both yards per game and scoring per game. Sitting at 5-2 leading their division lol Also their defense looks worse than last year even with all those moves they made but the offense has still done more than enough to carry them.
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
You still don't get it do you? You still don't understand what some of us mean by going to a spread offense. I will try to explain it again.

The argument here is not about this season necessarily. Everyone of us knows that when your offensive line is this terrible that changing scheme will not be the panacea that cures all of our problems. The reason being is that we have a serious coaching problem. This is a terribly coached team in every sense of the term. Having said that, I strongly believe that with a better OL coach and a better all around staff that this OL wouldn't be this bad.

What we are trying to say is that this program is a natural fit for a spread offense based on the type of players that we have and the type of athletes that we have the best access to. Being in Miami, there is never a shortage of fast and explosive skill players. As a program however, we do not have easy access to dominant offensive linemen like Ohio State, Alabama and Oklahoma have. At least not for the time being. Having acknowledged that it is clear to see that our identity on offense should be something that maximizes our strengths while at the same time mitigating our weaknesses. Based on the natural recruiting resources available our identity on offense should be a wide open uptempo shotgun based offense that is predicated on getting the ball to our many playmakers in space. Like @Liberty City El says "Pace and Space". We should use the strengths we have to put as much pressure on the defense as possible. This is not to say that we ignore the running game but schematically and philosophically we should pass to set up the run not visa versa. We should use a potent passing attack and use the running game as a changeup to the passing game. We are not in position to line up in tight formations roll our sleeves up and blow people off the ball. We don't have the offensive line to do that right now.

So we are saying that we should play to our strengths and build our identity off of that. The kids in our local recruiting area would love to see UM running that type of offense and it would attract more and more talent. The irony of this is that if we commit to the identity I have outlined above with a good coaching staff, it will produce wins and build excitement for the program and that in turn will allow us to start successfully recruiting more elite offensive linemen and that in turn will make us a better program.
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Perfectly said brotha!
 
I’ve been a pro style guy forever, but it needs to change. Spread em out and gut em. Spread doesn’t necessarily mean going fast, you can eat clock with the spread. It’s been years since we were able to string together time consuming drives. Those break teams will more than the big play. Move the chains and get in the end zone.
Go Canes!
 
305to954 said:
okay..I still don’t believe that full heartedly. Even before Enos got here I’d rather a multiple attack. Which means you can still run spread concepts, west coast concepts in the passing game. Why? Because I believe in using multiple personnel. That’s just my preference. Idc what we run. It could be the wing t for all I care if we moving the ball.

now for us, I dont agree with the assessment going spread would fix our problem problems long term unless we get the oline fixed. getting it fixed means competing at a top 10-5 level annually

I have seen multiple ppl say well look at LSU. First LSU has 4 legit first day NFL WRs right now. From what I’ve seen LSU has not gone full spread. They’ve just worked more n more from the gun and have instilled a lot of tempo. Still implementing a power run game, RPO and PA. BUT for them, just like Bama it all starts up front and their WR have been winning one Vs ones constantly. Then ppl mention Bama, same thing. Just cause it’s out of the gun doesn’t mean it’s full on spread. When I look at those teams I would still consider those offenses Multiple. Rather if you see them throwing the ball more at bama and now LSU, and want to therefore say they are now “spread offenses” is a mute point. The thing both the systems have in place is elite level oline play rn

Like I said before the true spread teams that have won titles are Clemson and Auburn, also UF with Tebow.

Our issues rn are far more than running a spread or not. Whatever system you run needs a offensive line in order to win at a elite level. As much as teams try and cloak average talent upfront when you get to the elite level of comp, the top 10 matchups it still comes down to who can control the LOS...just as examples down below look at the difference in oline splits between spread teams.
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Excellent post. Very articulate and very well thought out. We can agree to disagree. I actually don't think we are that far apart. You said that you don't feel that the spread going forward will fix our problems until we fix the OL. This is the root of our misunderstanding. I never stated that the spread would fix our issues without a good OL. I am assuming a good head coach would build a good OL and run the spread. The difference is that I don't think it's realistic to expect us to get the level of OL play that you see in Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma. At least not immediately.


Also, I am advocating the spread as a general concept. It is safe to assume that rosters will take on different personalities every year based on their relative strengths and abilities. I would expect any coach worth his weight in salt to adjust accordingly. I never want to see a coaching staff try to fit square pegs in round holes. As to your comment about not caring what we run as long as we are moving the ball I am also in complete agreement. If the veer will get us 40 pts a game then I want to run the veer. We just seem to disagree on what we think the best offense is for this program but that is ok. If that is the extent of our disagreement then I think we can live with that.
 
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