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Current State - Miami Turnaround

Dwinstitles said:
He's going to turn it around for sure. He just needs a lot of time. This sh was a dumpster juice, and fans think we have a chance in the past even this season. Talent has been bare for ages but the fans got sucked in like we had a chance. This is a complete proper rebuild it will take long like Michigan. Give the man time to bring in the savages and stack it properly.
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FSU was a complete dumpster fire, we were no-where near that bad.
 
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S.CarolinaCane said:
FSU was a complete dumpster fire, we were no-where near that bad.
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We were mid. For us that's dumpster juice. Fsu found a qb that's carrying them. That doesn't win u a natty or turn u into a power it's the other positions u stack that turn u into UGA and Bama. When fsu loses that kid it's over. They are tiny and weak and they may have a good season but it won't help on the trail. They will get a few guys like we used to do. That sh will fall apart unless they start to stack. Then I will change my mind about them but it doesn't look like that will happen.
 
423Hurricane said:
Patience is a virtue and many football fans are not very virtuous including myself. After 20 years of mediocrity, anyone that thought a turnaround in 1-2 years was possible is totally unrealistic. Mario, and even Rad, are having to totally rebuild the entire football program. We were way behind in all areas and fixing all that needs fixing will no doubt take time.

We should be encouraged by the things we see but also I have no doubt there’s things we don’t see.

As the old saying goes “Rome wasn’t built in a day.”
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I don't get how people don't understand. This is spot on
 
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This is a good post. I think that people have grossly underestimated how broken this program was when Mario inherited it. Here are some key #'s on the program since 2006, which I consider as the origin point of its mediocrity.

Metrics​
1989 - 2005​
2006 - Present ​
Overall Record​
167-38 (0.812)​
123-91 (0.574)​
Conference Record​
83-16 (0.854)
*stats from 91-05 since we were indy prior to then*​
75-62 (0.546)​
Bowl Record​
10-5 (0.667)​
2-12 (0.167)​
Record Against FSU​
10-9 (0.526)​
6-11 (0.353)​
Record Against UF​
4-0 (1.000)​
1-2 (0.333)​
Record Against VT​
7-7 (0.500)​
9-6 (0.529)​
National Championships​
3​
0​
Conference Championships​
9​
0​
Preseason Ranked​
16 out of 17 seasons​
6 out of 17 seasons​
Postseason Ranked​
16 out of 17 seasons​
4 out of 17 seasons​
Draft Picks​
110 (59 out of 122 in first 3 rounds)​
81 (32 out of 81 in first 3 rounds)​

It's glaring to see how the program completely collapsed. Night and day difference. Mario inherited arguably the biggest P5 dumpster fire (not named Nebraska) in CFB.

I view the program of being on a five year plan.
  • Year 1: 6-8 win season (absolute failure) + stack talent (success)
  • Year 2: 7-8 win season + stack talent + bowl berth
  • Year 3: 8-9 win season + stack talent + decent bowl berth
  • Year 4: 9-10 win season + stack talent + compete for conference + fringe playoff contention
  • Year 5: 10+ win season + stack talent + playoff contention
It takes a long time to clean up one of the biggest dumpster fires in college football. Not to mention we had almost two decades of broken culture, bad evals, and lack of investment (terrible facilities). All of that is changing, slowly. I do believe that we'll see some major improvements from last year's 5-7 catastrophe with this year's team. We show some signs of life and keep stacking talent and anything can happen.
 
harphong said:
Yeah, I've been a squire to the mopesmen since about 13, but regarding Mario - he's a fraud until proven otherwise and it takes time...blah blah blha. I just expect to see competitive product even if the W/L ratio doesn't improve. Getting boatraced by MTSU at home and the other abysmals have ALL their reasons...I just want to see 6-6 with no absolute grape stompers at home by directional cosmetology academy, Brigham Young Episcopalian or the like. That's what 23 needs to be. That's all.
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As an Episcopalian I take umbrage at your statement.
 
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FL Cane said:
This is a good post. I think that people have grossly underestimated how broken this program was when Mario inherited it. Here are some key #'s on the program since 2006, which I consider as the origin point of its mediocrity.

Metrics​
1989 - 2005​
2006 - Present ​
Overall Record​
167-38 (0.812)​

123-91 (0.574)​
Conference Record​
83-16 (0.854)
*stats from 91-05 since we were indy prior to then*​
75-62 (0.546)​
Bowl Record​
10-5 (0.667)​
2-12 (0.167)​
Record Against FSU​
10-9 (0.526)​
6-11 (0.353)​

Record Against UF​
4-0 (1.000)​
1-2 (0.333)​
Record Against VT​
7-7 (0.500)​
9-6 (0.529)​
National Championships​
3​
0​
Conference Championships​
9​
0​
Preseason Ranked​
16 out of 17 seasons​

6 out of 17 seasons​
Postseason Ranked​
16 out of 17 seasons​

4 out of 17 seasons​

Draft Picks​
110 (59 out of 122 in first 3 rounds)​
81 (32 out of 81 in first 3 rounds)​

It's glaring to see how the program completely collapsed. Night and day difference. Mario inherited arguably the biggest P5 dumpster fire (not named Nebraska) in CFB.

I view the program of being on a five year plan.
  • Year 1: 6-8 win season (absolute failure) + stack talent (success)
  • Year 2: 7-8 win season + stack talent + bowl berth
  • Year 3: 8-9 win season + stack talent + decent bowl berth
  • Year 4: 9-10 win season + stack talent + compete for conference + fringe playoff contention
  • Year 5: 10+ win season + stack talent + playoff contention
It takes a long time to clean up one of the biggest dumpster fires in college football. Not to mention we had almost two decades of broken culture, bad evals, and lack of investment (terrible facilities). All of that is changing, slowly. I do believe that we'll see some major improvements from last year's 5-7 catastrophe with this year's team. We show some signs of life and keep stacking talent and anything can happen.
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LOL @ a team that's won almost 60% of their games being the "biggest dumpster fire in CFB.

Miami has been a mediocre program for 15 years now. Not necessarily bad just an average p5 team. This isn't Kansas. We're talking about making the jump from a 7-5 program to a 9-3 program. It's not some impossible miracle turnaround.
 
DTP said:
LOL @ a team that's won almost 60% of their games being the "biggest dumpster fire in CFB.

Miami has been a mediocre program for 15 years now. Not necessarily bad just an average p5 team. This isn't Kansas. We're talking about making the jump from a 7-5 program to a 9-3 program. It's not some impossible miracle turnaround.
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For a team with as storied a history and results as us, there’s few P5’s like us that have been as bad as we’ve been recently. It’s been a dumpster fire of epic proportions surpassed only by a handful of formerly elite schools (e.g., Nebraska, Tennessee, etc)
 
My measuring sticks to a degree have been UNC who we haven’t beat in a good while and Pitt. Both of whom are closer to the top of the Conference than we have been. We recruit much much better than both of them but yet still can’t seem to beat UNC to save our lives and trade wins every year with Pitt.

On paper, as much we like to complain… we’re better than both of them top of the roster on down pretty much every year. We get out coached way too much. But we surely have had guys who were entitled and don’t want to work hard. Our records each year are reflective of that.
 
As someone who created an article preaching patience to the fan base w/ Mario, there’s some things that need to be addressed.

1. My call for patience wasn’t for a 5 yr project, vs. tempering expectations for the first yr, just based upon the make up of the roster, & culture.

2. CFB is not the same as Corporate America, neither is a team w/ 85 scholarship players comparable to a company of 30k employees

3. In the day & age of CFB, there’s way too many overwhelming data points suggesting that a good coach typically turn around a team within 2 yrs, but the fruits of the labor truly bears by yr 3.

4. We talk about Miami woes for 20 yrs & what Mario inherited; well, let me furnish this board w/ another example from a disgraced coach by the name of Art Briles. Briles inherited a Baylor program in 2007 that hadn’t had a winning season since 1995. They were about 50 games under .500 as a program for 20 yrs b4 Briles took them over. He got them to their first winning season by yr 3, & their first double digit winning season since 1980 by yr 4.

In sports, especially with CFB due to the ability to acquire talent at an accelerated rate, you don’t need several yrs to accomplish goals. This yr alone we’ve seen Riley, Elko, and Dykes remake rosters in one yr & knock it out the ball park.
 
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DTP said:
LOL @ a team that's won almost 60% of their games being the "biggest dumpster fire in CFB.

Miami has been a mediocre program for 15 years now. Not necessarily bad just an average p5 team. This isn't Kansas. We're talking about making the jump from a 7-5 program to a 9-3 program. It's not some impossible miracle turnaround.
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I would agree to disagree. What you have to realize culture and results take time. You don't just flip a switch where people believe you. The masses need to see results and not just talk. They need to see results of doing something that you say and your word is upheld.

Nobody says Miami is the biggest dumpster fire in CFB, but in terms of expectations and results Miami is close to the top. Kansas is a bad comp because football is a second class citizen at that school with little expecatations of success. Top players don't view Kansas in the same light. They are getting folks who have a lot of D2 offers as well. Not to mention you think making a jump from 7-5 program to a regulary 9-3 program is easy? I don't think so.
 
Rellyrell said:
As someone who created an article preaching patience to the fan base w/ Mario, there’s some things that need to be addressed.

1. My call for patience wasn’t for a 5 yr project, vs. tempering expectations for the first yr, just based upon the make up of the roster, & culture.

2. CFB is not the same as Corporate America, neither is a team w/ 85 scholarship players comparable to a company of 30k employees

3. In the day & age of CFB, there’s way too many overwhelming data points suggesting that a good coach typically turn around a team within 2 yrs, but the fruits of the labor truly bears by yr 3.

4. We talk a Miami woes for 20 yrs & what Mario inherited; well let me furnish this board w/ another example from a disgraced coach by the name of Art Briles. Briles inherited a Baylor program in 2007 that hadn’t had a winning season since 1995. They were about 50 games under .500 as a program for 20 yrs b4 Briles took them over. He got them to their first winning season by yr 3, & their first double digit winning season since 1980 by yr 4.

In sports, especially with CFB due to the ability to acquire talent at an accelerated rate, you don’t need several yrs to accomplish goals. This yr alone we’ve seen Riley, Elko, and Dykes remake rosters in one yr & knock it out the ball park.
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That may be true, we on the outside looking in maybe those teams culture wasn't as bad as ours and those teams didn't have Danny miaz as coach but I understand your point.
 
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grover said:
Exceptional take. A best seller strategy book back in 2000s was called from Good To Great and found that the best public company performers brought in new leaders that took several years before they started to outperform the pack. Hurricanes football is a smaller operation and turns its personnel over at a much higher rate, so we should be able to pull that forward. But even the best turnarounds take time.

Mario started with virtually no organically-recruited and developed talent outside of the Covid class of 2021. And we all know the portal is a band-aid, not a cure. He needs 2 more back to back classes for the flywheel to gather momentum. I have no expectations between now and then other than the program keeps showing progress.
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Any post in this forum that screams positivity is always deemed an excellent take.
 
jdg3158 said:
I would agree to disagree. What you have to realize culture and results take time. You don't just flip a switch where people believe you. The masses need to see results and not just talk. They need to see results of doing something that you say and your word is upheld.

Nobody says Miami is the biggest dumpster fire in CFB, but in terms of expectations and results Miami is close to the top. Kansas is a bad comp because football is a second class citizen at that school with little expecatations of success. Top players don't view Kansas in the same light. They are getting folks who have a lot of D2 offers as well. Not to mention you think making a jump from 7-5 program to a regulary 9-3 program is easy? I don't think so.
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Brian Kelly 2022:
Inherited a 6-7 LSU team from 2021. 10-4 in 2022

Mario Cristobal 2018:
Inherited a 7-6 UO team from 2017. 9-4 in 2018

Jimbo Fisher 2018:
Inherited a 7-6 TAMU team from 2017. 9-4 in 2018

Kevin Sumlin 2012:
Inherited a 7-6 TAMU team from 2011. 11-2 in 2012

Jimbo Fisher 2010:
Inherited a 7-6 FSU team from 2009. 10-4 in 2010


Those r just a few recent examples. The only coaches that came to mind who took over after winning at least 7 games the prior, & immediately had a losing season the following season were Shannon, Diaz, Sarkisian, & now Mario. I’m sure there r more, just couldn’t think of them.
 
Ricaneswag said:
He's going to turn it around for sure. He just needs a lot of time. This sh was a dumpster juice, and fans think we have a chance in the past even this season. Talent has been bare for ages but the fans got sucked in like we had a chance. This is a complete proper rebuild it will take long like Michigan. Give the man time to bring in the savages and stack it properly.
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MOAR excuses…..Duke flipped the roster in one year and curb stumped us
 
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