Current and Future Development on UM's Campus

Oh my lord. Watching three recent grads duke it out over "which is better, Mahoney-Pearson or Hecht-Stanford" is making me want to gouge my eyes out. And it's proof that you guys have zero perspective.

Just because one dorm was MOST RECENTLY set up for freshmen does not mean it was always that way. Or that it was preferred to be that way. I guaran****ingtee you that if Housing set one dorm as "freshmen only", it was because they were planning on tearing it down, not because it created any special "bonding experience".

Here's the reality. No matter what year, no matter what temporary reason, any designation given to any of the 5 residential colleges was an experiement. By and large, the 5 dormitories were general use. For the most part, people disliked the shared bathrooms in the Towers, and given a choice, most people would move from the Towers to Eaton or Mahoney-Pearson. A minority preferred the Towers. But those are facts built up over DECADES. UM would have torn down the Towers a long time ago if they could have built the replacements sooner.

Eaton - built in the early 1950s, it was originally a general-purpose dorm and was for most of its existence. With the construction of Mahoney-Pearson in the last-50s/early-60s and the Towers in the late-60s, Eaton fell behind in popularity AND "niceness". When UM belatedly took steps to renovate Eaton for the 1986 school year, they briefly converted Eaton into a "senior-only" dorm, which it was when I visited UM, because they wanted a fresh start with students post-renovation. At the time, there were TWO residential colleges: HONORS Residential College (later Hecht), for Honors students, and THE Residential College (later Stanford) for non-Honors students. Thus, my roommate (and best friend from high school) freaked the **** out when we got our Summer 1986 housing assignment that said "Honors Residential College AT EATON HALL", because Eaton was a ****hole on our visit and we did not know it was being converted to the third residential college in 1986. Fortunately, Eaton was near-immaculate when we arrived in August 1986, though the contractors were still installing cable boxes while we were moving in. Because Eaton had formerly been a "seniors-only" dorm, and very few people knew about the renovation, the double rooms were almost exclusively freshmen, while the single rooms had some upperclassmen. After that year, UM said they would never do "freshmen-only" dorms again, because we set a record in 1986-87 for most property damage EVER to one dorm in one year. Our RAs told us this fun factoid halfway through spring semester, so I'm pretty sure our record stood for decades.

Mahoney - second dorm built in the late 1950s, last dorm to be converted to a residential college in late 1980s. Was "male only" for the first 15 years of existence. Other than that, general-purpose dorm. Never was "all-freshmen" or "all-upperclass" (unless another dorm was a freshman dorm).

Pearson - third dorm built in the early 1960s, fourth dorm to be converted to a residential college in late 1980s. Also a general-purpose dorm that was never "all-freshmen" or "all-upperclass" (unless another dorm was a freshman dorm).

Hecht - fourth dorm built in the late 1960s (the "1968 complex"), first dorm to be converted to a residential college in the early 1980s, and that was INITIALLY designated for Honors students by President Foote. Became "Hecht" (no longer "Honors") in the 1987-88 timeframe, which was not at all confusing with the Hecht Athletic Center. However, the brief history of "Honors" Residential College forever cemented Hecht as the "preferred" Towers destination over "Stanford", which was for losers.

Stanford - last dorm built in 1969, second dorm to be converted to a residential college in the early 1980s, and outside of getting the singular designation of "The" Residential College, it never gained popularity and was always the least well-liked of the 5 dorms. Definitely a general purpose dorm from the outset. This was the dorm where a (clear) non-Honors student attempted to swing down to a lower room and fell to his death.



I can assure you, UM didn't try to designate any of the dorms by "age group" in an attempt to create a bonding experience for students. If UM ever created freshmen dorms, it was either by accident (Eaton, which cost them a ton of money) or because they intended to tear those dorms down. It wasn't some grand social experiment like "The Real World" or "Survivor".
 
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Bro you’re just straight up wrong about the Freshman exclusive towers not having a better social environment. Look you want to say freshman dorms shouldn’t have communal bathrooms, go ahead. I disagree (and again I don’t think centennial is gunna have MP style bathrooms, I think it’s gunna be communal still). But more importantly pretty much every other point your making is wrong. It is absolutely BETTER for the students and school to have exclusively freshman in certain dorms. It just is. You say your experience in MP was cool because you were social, well some kids need to be pushed to do that. And that’s what college is about. You don’t want to make it hard for them to be social as an incoming freshman.

No matter what you say MP isn’t even 5% as social as the freshman dorms. That’s just a fact. Eaton I have no clue because nobody stepped foot in Eaton u less you lived there - which I don’t think I even knew anyone who did tbh. And The UV is just an apartment owned by the school… I left before the new dorm was built so idk about that one either tbh.

Arguing just to argue at this point. 1)The school has already announced that Centennial Village will NOT have the shared restroom facilities present in the old towers. From how they are described, they will be suite style, with each two double rooms sharing a jack and jill bathroom. Singles will likely get their own.


The point I'm making is that the school desperately wanted to update the dorms, and socially, replacing the old dorms with modern ones won't change a **** thing socially. What makes a dorm social, or not is the people that live in it. What made the towers unique was that you had a high concentration of people that were looking to socialize in a concentrated area. Let's be honest, you are more likely to be down for stuff as a freshman than you are as you go through school, because when everything is new, it's an experience.

I had friends that were RAs in the Towers and in M/P, and they said that it was a lot easier to get people to show up to social events in the towers, for much the same reason I stated. They were fresh to the scene, they wanted to experience everything. As you go on, cliques and friend circles become entrenched, and people are less likely to want to do stuff with people they don't know. I wouldn't be shocked if Housing tried to make sure double rooms have kids of similar class standing, to facilitate new kids meeting other newbies. I also wouldn't be shocked if thanks to the preference system, upperclassmen that chose to live on campus monopolized the singles in CV, and the ones that don't get a single, end up in UV or more apartment style living. We should be beyond happy as alums that these kids are getting far better housing arrangements than what we had, period. Hopefully they improve the dining halls too, for what they are charging, Shartwells level food shouldn't even be an option.
 
Arguing just to argue at this point. 1)The school has already announced that Centennial Village will NOT have the shared restroom facilities present in the old towers. From how they are described, they will be suite style, with each two double rooms sharing a jack and jill bathroom. Singles will likely get their own.


The point I'm making is that the school desperately wanted to update the dorms, and socially, replacing the old dorms with modern ones won't change a **** thing socially. What makes a dorm social, or not is the people that live in it. What made the towers unique was that you had a high concentration of people that were looking to socialize in a concentrated area. Let's be honest, you are more likely to be down for stuff as a freshman than you are as you go through school, because when everything is new, it's an experience.

I had friends that were RAs in the Towers and in M/P, and they said that it was a lot easier to get people to show up to social events in the towers, for much the same reason I stated. They were fresh to the scene, they wanted to experience everything. As you go on, cliques and friend circles become entrenched, and people are less likely to want to do stuff with people they don't know. I wouldn't be shocked if Housing tried to make sure double rooms have kids of similar class standing, to facilitate new kids meeting other newbies. I also wouldn't be shocked if thanks to the preference system, upperclassmen that chose to live on campus monopolized the singles in CV, and the ones that don't get a single, end up in UV or more apartment style living. We should be beyond happy as alums that these kids are getting far better housing arrangements than what we had, period. Hopefully they improve the dining halls too, for what they are charging, Shartwells level food shouldn't even be an option.
Last point is mission critical, campus dining is a **** disaster class, specially considering how much is charged
 
Wasn't even close to lame, because guess what? I still went to class, I still managed to get involved on campus in different organizations and that's how I met people. That's how most people meet on campus, regardless of living arrangement. Because I was the youngster living on a floor with mostly upperclassmen, I ended up accelerating my social skill development, because my neighbors across the hall took me under their wing. It was a great experience, I enjoyed having my own bathroom(Outside of the time my suitemate decided to flood the bathroom and not tell anyone, which led to me finding out at 3AM when I came home from a night out), I wasn't interested in having to deal with the nonsense my friends that lived in the towers dealt with in regards to the communal ones.

There's a reason why few if any new dorms are built in that old style, with the most important being that students have said over and over again that they don't want that living arrangement. Having those communal bathrooms and like limits flexibility in regards to living arrangements, and with how society is changing, you want to be able to provide suitable living arrangements for all. These schools want to encourage more kids to stay on campus all 4 years, and the best way to do that is to provide the housing arrangements that students tend to want. It's not an accident that after freshman year, students want out of the towers, unless they can get a single, whether it was getting assigned to M/P, UV, Eaton or moving off campus.
Excellent point. I have an acquaintance who is an attorney for a prominent developer. He mentioned that that is the prevailing view now among schools across the country. They want kids on campus spending money at the school, not off campus.

Anyways, the only thing I don't like about the recent development is it seems that there are lots of modern buildings going up without a whole lot of charm eliminating a lot of space. I just hope UM doesn't become a collection of buildings as opposed to a college campus.
 
Excellent point. I have an acquaintance who is an attorney for a prominent developer. He mentioned that that is the prevailing view now among schools across the country. They want kids on campus spending money at the school, not off campus.

Anyways, the only thing I don't like about the recent development is it seems that there are lots of modern buildings going up without a whole lot of charm eliminating a lot of space. I just hope UM doesn't become a collection of buildings as opposed to a college campus.
The old buildings on campus aren’t that charming, the CG campus was brutal to look at for years, tons of cement boxes with little character. They are replacing those buildings with big, beautiful buildings that feature modern architecture, that actually fit within a theme. People love to get wrapped up in nostalgia, but the towers looked like crap, especially when you look at what other schools are building.
 
Bro you’re just straight up wrong about the Freshman exclusive towers not having a better social environment. Look you want to say freshman dorms shouldn’t have communal bathrooms, go ahead. I disagree (and again I don’t think centennial is gunna have MP style bathrooms, I think it’s gunna be communal still). But more importantly pretty much every other point your making is wrong. It is absolutely BETTER for the students and school to have exclusively freshman in certain dorms. It just is. You say your experience in MP was cool because you were social, well some kids need to be pushed to do that. And that’s what college is about. You don’t want to make it hard for them to be social as an incoming freshman.

No matter what you say MP isn’t even 5% as social as the freshman dorms. That’s just a fact. Eaton I have no clue because nobody stepped foot in Eaton u less you lived there - which I don’t think I even knew anyone who did tbh. And The UV is just an apartment owned by the school… I left before the new dorm was built so idk about that one either tbh.

One of the reasons the freshmen dorms are very social is because its full of freshmen. They arrive not knowing anyone, knowing their way around or what to do, with many not even having a car. So they bond to each other until they figure out their UM life. I think we agree on that. I could see starting the freshmen out all together not changing.

But as far as the bathrooms and lack of suites, you are advocating for the construction of an expensive product no one wants, in an environment where our competition (other schools) are providing a superior product that students find appealing.

The towers are disgusting, antiquated relics which repel student recruiting and need to be destroyed. The fact that you and I have a soft spot because we lived there as freshmen years ago doesn't change that.
 
The old buildings on campus aren’t that charming, the CG campus was brutal to look at for years, tons of cement boxes with little character. They are replacing those buildings with big, beautiful buildings that feature modern architecture, that actually fit within a theme. People love to get wrapped up in nostalgia, but the towers looked like crap, especially when you look at what other schools are building.
Oh no, I agree with that. Maybe I am nitpicking, but I feel like a lot of modern architecture lacks character or culture. I mean, it looks nice but I do wonder what UM's "theme" for the campus as a whole is. I'm not sure how ultra modern necessarily fits. But whatever. It's certainly better than what used to be there. I guess if we're just aiming for kids with parents who have a lot of money then it fits!
 
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Oh no, I agree with that. Maybe I am nitpicking, but I feel like a lot of modern architecture lacks character or culture. I mean, it looks nice but I do wonder what UM's "theme" for the campus as a whole is. I'm not sure how ultra modern necessarily fits. But whatever. It's certainly better than what used to be there. I guess if we're just aiming for kids with parents who have a lot of money then it fits!
Modern architecture IS Miami. The use of wide open spaces, the increased use of glass so you can see outside and enjoy the flora and fauna present fits exactly what the University is. Forward thinking, new, not confined to looking in the past. The new buildings stand out, because they don’t look like traditional collegiate structures. UMiami will never look like UF or FSU, and that’s intentional.
 
Oh my lord. Watching three recent grads duke it out over "which is better, Mahoney-Pearson or Hecht-Stanford" is making me want to gouge my eyes out. And it's proof that you guys have zero perspective.

Just because one dorm was MOST RECENTLY set up for freshmen does not mean it was always that way. Or that it was preferred to be that way. I guaran****ingtee you that if Housing set one dorm as "freshmen only", it was because they were planning on tearing it down, not because it created any special "bonding experience".

Here's the reality. No matter what year, no matter what temporary reason, any designation given to any of the 5 residential colleges was an experiement. By and large, the 5 dormitories were general use. For the most part, people disliked the shared bathrooms in the Towers, and given a choice, most people would move from the Towers to Eaton or Mahoney-Pearson. A minority preferred the Towers. But those are facts built up over DECADES. UM would have torn down the Towers a long time ago if they could have built the replacements sooner.

Eaton - built in the early 1950s, it was originally a general-purpose dorm and was for most of its existence. With the construction of Mahoney-Pearson in the last-50s/early-60s and the Towers in the late-60s, Eaton fell behind in popularity AND "niceness". When UM belatedly took steps to renovate Eaton for the 1986 school year, they briefly converted Eaton into a "senior-only" dorm, which it was when I visited UM, because they wanted a fresh start with students post-renovation. At the time, there were TWO residential colleges: HONORS Residential College (later Hecht), for Honors students, and THE Residential College (later Stanford) for non-Honors students. Thus, my roommate (and best friend from high school) freaked the **** out when we got our Summer 1986 housing assignment that said "Honors Residential College AT EATON HALL", because Eaton was a ****hole on our visit and we did not know it was being converted to the third residential college in 1986. Fortunately, Eaton was near-immaculate when we arrived in August 1986, though the contractors were still installing cable boxes while we were moving in. Because Eaton had formerly been a "seniors-only" dorm, and very few people knew about the renovation, the double rooms were almost exclusively freshmen, while the single rooms had some upperclassmen. After that year, UM said they would never do "freshmen-only" dorms again, because we set a record in 1986-87 for most property damage EVER to one dorm in one year. Our RAs told us this fun factoid halfway through spring semester, so I'm pretty sure our record stood for decades.

Mahoney - second dorm built in the late 1950s, last dorm to be converted to a residential college in late 1980s. Was "male only" for the first 15 years of existence. Other than that, general-purpose dorm. Never was "all-freshmen" or "all-upperclass" (unless another dorm was a freshman dorm).

Pearson - third dorm built in the early 1960s, fourth dorm to be converted to a residential college in late 1980s. Also a general-purpose dorm that was never "all-freshmen" or "all-upperclass" (unless another dorm was a freshman dorm).

Hecht - fourth dorm built in the late 1960s (the "1968 complex"), first dorm to be converted to a residential college in the early 1980s, and that was INITIALLY designated for Honors students by President Foote. Became "Hecht" (no longer "Honors") in the 1987-88 timeframe, which was not at all confusing with the Hecht Athletic Center. However, the brief history of "Honors" Residential College forever cemented Hecht as the "preferred" Towers destination over "Stanford", which was for losers.

Stanford - last dorm built in 1969, second dorm to be converted to a residential college in the early 1980s, and outside of getting the singular designation of "The" Residential College, it never gained popularity and was always the least well-liked of the 5 dorms. Definitely a general purpose dorm from the outset. This was the dorm where a (clear) non-Honors student attempted to swing down to a lower room and fell to his death.



I can assure you, UM didn't try to designate any of the dorms by "age group" in an attempt to create a bonding experience for students. If UM ever created freshmen dorms, it was either by accident (Eaton, which cost them a ton of money) or because they intended to tear those dorms down. It wasn't some grand social experiment like "The Real World" or "Survivor".
So four of the dorms have taken on various functions over the years, with Stanford the one constant as the designated housing for the Belen-iest UM students.

Makes perfect sense.
 
So four of the dorms have taken on various functions over the years, with Stanford the one constant as the designated housing for the Belen-iest UM students.

Makes perfect sense.


Ha!

I don't know if I'd go that far, but I certainly can tell you that UM wasn't trying some grand socialization-of-freshmen experiment.

I will say...we absolutely tore Eaton apart in 1986-87. Sooooo many fire drills...sooooo much damage. We did some really outside-the-box stupid stuff.

Remember those "temporary" mattresses that they would drop off when P100 would host a high school student on an overnight visit? We put talcum powder down on the hallway floors and were holding contests to see who could jump on a mattress and slide down the hall the farthest.

Another time, a bunch of us would try to run down the hall, and then leap up and pop out the drop ceiling panels with our heads. The fun and games stopped when a friend of mine misjudged and smashed his head into one of the metal frame brackets. He had a bloody lump on his forehead the size of my fist.

We probably did as much damage to our elevators and trash chutes as any other building, and Eaton was only 4 stories tall...
 
One of the reasons the freshmen dorms are very social is because its full of freshmen. They arrive not knowing anyone, knowing their way around or what to do, with many not even having a car. So they bond to each other until they figure out their UM life. I think we agree on that. I could see starting the freshmen out all together not changing.

But as far as the bathrooms and lack of suites, you are advocating for the construction of an expensive product no one wants, in an environment where our competition (other schools) are providing a superior product that students find appealing.

The towers are disgusting, antiquated relics which repel student recruiting and need to be destroyed. The fact that you and I have a soft spot because we lived there as freshmen years ago doesn't change that.
Other than wifi in the rooms and updating the common areas the Towers were exactly the same as 40 years ago. I remember moving in my son in 2018 laughing that they are exactly the same 40 years later. The A/C in his single room in Pentland above the door had a constant leak. The bathrooms were just awful. The dampness was so heavy you knew the black mold was everywhere. M-P is a black mold factory.
 
One of the reasons the freshmen dorms are very social is because its full of freshmen. They arrive not knowing anyone, knowing their way around or what to do, with many not even having a car. So they bond to each other until they figure out their UM life. I think we agree on that. I could see starting the freshmen out all together not changing.

But as far as the bathrooms and lack of suites, you are advocating for the construction of an expensive product no one wants, in an environment where our competition (other schools) are providing a superior product that students find appealing.

The towers are disgusting, antiquated relics which repel student recruiting and need to be destroyed. The fact that you and I have a soft spot because we lived there as freshmen years ago doesn't change that.
Actually I don’t really care much about whether there are communal bathrooms or not, but I definitely don’t think it is a big deal if they do. What I’m saying is whatever the layout, we need to have a dorm that is exclusively freshman. And I’m saying that dorm needs to have the same experience that the towers provided. I even specifically said it wasn’t about making everyone miserable together.

The other dude was talking about how MP as a freshman was a good experience, and I’m saying under no circumstances should that be an option. Obviously when you have no choice you gotta do what you gotta do - like when the towers are being destroyed. But I absolutely think it is better for the university and students if there is a set dorm for ONLY freshman. After that, idc tbh. And really the only exception I’d make is for Scholarship athletes.

Living in the freshman towers is a great social experience. And I think having freshman scattered throughout the campus would be a terrible move.

If they want the tower replacement to be super nice what they SHOULD do is make MP the new freshman dorm, and the new two for So/JR… that’s the thing also - you want to upgrade as you get older, not downgrade.
 
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